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Stephen Hawking says God didn't create universe....
2010-09-04, 9:25 PM #1
And I guess his friends believe him...
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>>untie shoes
2010-09-04, 9:36 PM #2
Either some people shared it more than once, or Facebook's code is terrible at aggregation functions.

I'm betting on the latter.
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2010-09-04, 9:48 PM #3
How dare you try to explain this scientifically!
>>untie shoes
2010-09-04, 10:27 PM #4
Maybe it's the whole universe responding.
2010-09-04, 10:57 PM #5
Maybe God is being a sarcastic *******.
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2010-09-04, 11:36 PM #6
Aliens did it just to **** with him.
2010-09-04, 11:45 PM #7
I say OLD NEWS ha godbotherers [/oldskool-FGR]
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2010-09-05, 5:03 AM #8
? :)
2010-09-05, 6:53 AM #9
Hawking has more balls to say stuff like that than anyone else and he couldn't even throw a punch. I AM LOVING IT.
2010-09-05, 7:26 AM #10
who even cares? How is this news?

An old cripple says God didn't create the universe. Good for him.
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2010-09-05, 8:02 AM #11
Not much different than everyone screaming out desperately wishing it weren't true. Good for them.

It kind of bugs me that he says god didn't create the universe. I prefer the phrasing "As far as we can tell, the universe does not require a creator."
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2010-09-05, 8:27 AM #12
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
who even cares? How is this news?

An old cripple says God didn't create the universe. Good for him.


An old cripple who's got more brains than you'd ever hope to have, and more respect and awards for his work than the other 99.99999% of the planet's population.
2010-09-05, 9:04 AM #13
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
who even cares? How is this news?

An old cripple says God didn't create the universe. Good for him.

1. He knows more about the nature of the universe than pretty much anyone on the planet.

2. It's not news, it's a funny image.
>>untie shoes
2010-09-05, 9:18 AM #14
Oh yeah? Well I say Stephen Hawking didn't create the universe!
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2010-09-05, 9:34 AM #15
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
who even cares? How is this news?

An old cripple says God didn't create the universe. Good for him.


The fact that you call him a cripple here is pretty ****ed up, dude.
2010-09-05, 10:43 AM #16
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
who even cares? How is this news?

An old cripple says God didn't create the universe. Good for him.


One of the most brilliant men in human history has realized that the Big Bang is an inherent property of gravity and God was not required to instigate it; but, being a Christian, probably still believes that God had a part.

One of the least brilliant men in human history has completely failed to understand the message and refers to the brilliant man as a cripple.
2010-09-05, 12:10 PM #17
Originally posted by Jon`C:
One of the most brilliant men in human history has realized that the Big Bang is an inherent property of gravity and God was not required to instigate it; but, being a Christian, probably still believes that God had a part.

One of the least brilliant men in human history has completely failed to understand the message and refers to the brilliant man as a cripple.


This is an excellent post.
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2010-09-05, 2:12 PM #18
Stephen Hawking was brilliant, but his colleagues don't pay any attention to him anymore. He's respected in popular culture; his profession has moved on, and he can't keep up.
2010-09-05, 2:20 PM #19
Originally posted by JM:
Stephen Hawking was brilliant, but his colleagues don't pay any attention to him anymore. He's respected in popular culture; his profession has moved on, and he can't keep up.


What is this claim based on? I'm not saying it can't be true, but you're about the farthest thing from his colleagues, so I'd like to know if there's a bunch of such people who've said that, and where.
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2010-09-05, 2:36 PM #20
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
who even cares? How is this news?

An old cripple says God didn't create the universe. Good for him.


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2010-09-05, 2:47 PM #21
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
who even cares? How is this news?

An old cripple says God didn't create the universe. Good for him.


You make pointless threads to remind us you have a wife, are in the navy, and play WoW. Who even cares, how is this news?

A 20something sailor says he does stuff. Good for him.
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2010-09-05, 3:13 PM #22
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2010-09-05, 3:39 PM #23
Originally posted by JM:
Stephen Hawking was brilliant, but his colleagues don't pay any attention to him anymore. He's respected in popular culture; his profession has moved on, and he can't keep up.


Originally posted by Krokodile:
What is this claim based on? I'm not saying it can't be true, but you're about the farthest thing from his colleagues, so I'd like to know if there's a bunch of such people who've said that, and where.
It's based on JM's groundbreaking Unified Bull**** Theory, which argues that JM always knows what he's talking about even though he obviously doesn't.

Hawking publishes at least 1 major paper a year, supervises 4 PhD students, holds the Lucasian chair and still actively teaches at Cambridge. This is in addition to his popular writing and science advocacy work. He is still amazingly prolific for a professor with his position and responsibilities.

JM has no clue about real life science or academia.
2010-09-05, 4:39 PM #24
Originally posted by Jon`C:
He is still amazingly prolific for a professor with his position

Quite literally. It's amazing what he can do without actually being able to do any of it in the usual manner.
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2010-09-05, 5:44 PM #25
Originally posted by Emon:
Quite literally. It's amazing what he can do without actually being able to do any of it in the usual manner.
His contribution to the field today is still outstanding even without considering the ALS.

What a lot of people don't understand is that a scientist's PhD dissertation is almost always the most important work of his entire career. It's very rare for a scientist to make such major contributions to their field after they graduate.

Einstein, for example, published his most important four papers while he was in the defense/graduation limbo and made relatively incremental contributions to the field afterwards. But I'm sure JM thinks Einstein wasn't all that impressive, either.
2010-09-05, 5:50 PM #26
The dude with the crazy hair who discovered gravity, split the atom and invented rock and roll?
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2010-09-05, 5:57 PM #27
Pfft, Tasmanian beer atoms.
nope.
2010-09-05, 6:24 PM #28
Jimmy Page discovered gravity?
2010-09-05, 6:28 PM #29
flaming aside, i'm not really a fan of his. Yes he's smart, amazing that writing equations on a blackboard can ACTUALLY explain how subatomic particles work, they worked it all out just based on matrices and long strings of equations. In fact i'm in awe of that, and in awe of hawking and others who can do it (i did astrophysics for 2 years, i COULDNT do it. Math is a gift i dont have)

However. The man himself. He has made mistakes. In his personal life, he washed his hands of his 1st marriage rather than fight for it, and married his Nurse shortly after. His wife had looked after him for 2 decades, and she was shown the door in a rather unfeeling way.

Secondly, whilst he has helped us all ponder the nature of the universe and the atomic world, he has CREATED anything? He hasnt invented anything as ground breaking as the aircraft/wing like the WRight Bros did, any foray into fusion generation, computers, etc. Nothing technologically spectacular came from Hawking or his work. And to some, thats the measure of a scientist. They keep telling us CERN and other subatomic devices are helping to create new science, or will do, i dont see any sign of it yet. When was the last time anyone found a use for Muons? ...Or perhaps "scientist" and "engineer" need to be identified more clearly.

So in conclusion. Very smart man. Makes bold statements that nobody can disprove. Bit of a dick in his past. Hasnt created anything of significant worth in my eyes. But at least he makes physics appear less boring.

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2010-09-05, 6:32 PM #30
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
An old cripple who's got more brains than you'd ever hope to have, and more respect and awards for his work than the other 99.99999% of the planet's population.


he probably has about the same amount of brains as I do. But I'll assume you meant intelligence. In which case, intelligence has no bearing on his statement. If he'd gone with the phrasing Jedikirby used (or similar) I'd have no problems with it, though I'd still think it an irrelevant statement. But philosophy/religion has nothing to do with natural science, so why is he making claims as though he's an expert on the subject?

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The fact that you call him a cripple here is pretty ****ed up, dude.
Why? it's completely true. Family Guy makes fun of his disability all the time. Is that messed up? No? Because if it's funny, it's ok?

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One of the most brilliant men in human history has realized that the Big Bang is an inherent property of gravity and God was not required to instigate it; but, being a Christian, probably still believes that God had a part.
Funny, that's not even close to what he tweeted. But I guess since you're Jon`C you're allowed to be liberal with facts cause you're so damn awesome.

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One of the least brilliant men in human history has completely failed to understand the message and refers to the brilliant man as a cripple.
I'd have to at least argue that I'm somewhere around average.. Maybe somewhere a bit above, since I always score in the top percentages of aptitude tests. Unless you mean the term brilliant in literal terms, in which case I agree. I emit very little light, though I can't imagine Stephen Hawking produces much more, unless he's got LED's on his wheelchair.

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You make pointless threads to remind us you have a wife, are in the navy, and play WoW. Who even cares, how is this news?

A 20something sailor says he does stuff. Good for him.
So... if you don't care, don't look at my threads? I fail to see the dilemma here.
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2010-09-05, 6:36 PM #31
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
Funny, that's not even close to what he tweeted.


He did a lot more than just tweet on the subject -_-

Also:

Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
So... if you don't care, don't look at my threads?


Do you really need this pointed out to you?
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2010-09-05, 6:39 PM #32
Yeah it was a story revolving around a book he wrote.
>>untie shoes
2010-09-05, 6:49 PM #33
oh is that in the youtube video I didn't watch? :o
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2010-09-05, 7:05 PM #34
What youtube video are you talking about?

Oh, the one that was not in relation to the story. I see.
>>untie shoes
2010-09-05, 7:29 PM #35
well I guess not. So... what information are you guys acting on? General knowledge of Stephen Hawking?

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Do you really need this pointed out to you?
also.. what?
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2010-09-05, 7:35 PM #36
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
Why? it's completely true. Family Guy makes fun of his disability all the time. Is that messed up? No? Because if it's funny, it's ok?

Family Guy isn't funny.
2010-09-05, 7:37 PM #37
Obviously I'm not talking about Family Guy or whatever, man. You used his disabled status, the fact that he is crippled, as a disparagement because you're lashing out because you feel threatened by this (or something, don't mean to assume too much). Which, as Jon is saying, isn't necessary.
2010-09-05, 7:37 PM #38
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
well I guess not. So... what information are you guys acting on? General knowledge of Stephen Hawking?

also.. what?

The original post was just pointing out that it was funny that so many people had allegedly shared the story. That's all. I guess I should have figured people would start a theological debate on the subject.
>>untie shoes
2010-09-05, 7:48 PM #39
Originally posted by saberopus:
Obviously I'm not talking about Family Guy or whatever, man. You used his disabled status, the fact that he is crippled, as a disparagement because you're lashing out because you feel threatened by this. Which, as Jon is saying, isn't necessary.
I don't feel threatened. Why should I care what Stephen Hawking thinks about religion? But he is old, and he is crippled. *shrug*

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The original post was just pointing out that it was funny that so many people had allegedly shared the story.
Yeah, I got that. i wasn't asking why it was news here. I meant why is it news in general (that so many people felt the need to share it). Maybe just the fact that it's Stephen Hawking. Does everything he tweets get so much attention?
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2010-09-05, 8:08 PM #40
Originally posted by Ruthven:
His wife had looked after him for 2 decades, and she was shown the door in a rather unfeeling way.
I assume you know this (and care) because of your close personal relationship with Stephen Hawking?

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Secondly, whilst he has helped us all ponder the nature of the universe and the atomic world, he has CREATED anything? He hasnt invented anything
Newton, whilst he has helped us all ponder the nature of the universe and the motions of the planets, he has CREATED anything?

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Or perhaps "scientist" and "engineer" need to be identified more clearly.
They are.

Scientist: any person who engages in a systematic activity to acquire knowledge.
Engineer: a person who uses scientific knowledge to solve practical problems.

Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
he probably has about the same amount of brains as I do.
I'm deeply skeptical.

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But philosophy/religion has nothing to do with natural science, so why is he making claims as though he's an expert on the subject?
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Funny, that's not even close to what he tweeted. But I guess since you're Jon`C you're allowed to be liberal with facts cause you're so damn awesome.
That's funny. You're funny.

Here's the actual quote you're *****ing about: "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing."

As you can see, Stephen Hawking is talking about: 1.) gravity, and 2.) the big bang. Stephen Hawking is the foremost expert in the world on both of these subjects.

You, on the other hand, are such a clueless non-expert in everything (including life) that you're whining about a sentence fragment from Facebook which was probably written by a half-wit.

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I'd have to at least argue that I'm somewhere around average.. Maybe somewhere a bit above, since I always score in the top percentages of aptitude tests.
That's right, Sarn. You're above-average. Just like everybody else.

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So... if you don't care, don't look at my threads? I fail to see the dilemma here.
You're missing the point. Nobody cares.
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