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As opposed to 25 years ago when we wouldn't be seeing anything at all? What exactly is your problem?

My problem?

I don't know... I just see censorship as inherently wrong.

Misinformation seems to be the most prevalent type of widely available "information" to MSM consumers. I get why they do it (usually agenda/money driven) but the government should have no rights to block information if someone wishes to find it.

It kind of all boils down to the "infosec industrial complex". Label everything secret and control the flow of information and you can change the perception of the public. I don't remember where I first heard "perception is reality" but I don't think there is a truer statement in this world.

Social engineering is real. I won't sit here and argue that it's not real but I will acknowledge that it isn't always a bad thing. However, like anything those in power have, it can be abused for self-serving purposes at the expense of everyday people.

If you don't want to believe this is going on. That is fine. You will have a normal life and hopefully live by a set of good ethics and standards laid out by our western society. I am perfectly fine with that. Many however, including myself, aren't necessarily at odds with society, but at odds with "the powers that be", who believe they have the moral ambiguity to direct us as a people.

I don't understand though why people don't want to scratch the surface and see what's underneath. I am not a paranoid conspiracy nut, but I know that some things do not add up even though our media and governments say they do. I was part of "the man" during my two years in Iraq. I have nothing to narc about because my loyalty lies to the men I served with. However, I am aware that it (misinformation) exists, and is used readily by those wishing to benefit from it.

It really hurt me to realize that there is corruption in our military and even more in the DOD. Seeing it first hand made me realize a lot and question myself as a person because the morals I was raised by were no longer wanted/needed... I am referring to stealing from the American tax payer more then anything. The outright fraud, waste, and abuse is rampant and pretty much unaddressed and unknown by those outside of the military industrial complex.

It all boils down to literally what the government wants you to hear and to think. I don't want the government to make that decision. I want as much information as possible so I can be the one to decide. Widespread government secrecy just doesn't have it's place in making an accountable republic form government. That is just the simple answer to it all.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." C.S. Lewis

I love this quote. It speaks an infinite amount of wisdom concerning man's moral dilemmas.

O ****... were those some 'thoughts' that got brought out... I think so.

Don't let me down massassi. Pick me apart.

Why do you all seem to think that we're in the dark? Everyone knows information is kept secret. The rest of us have just learned to live with it.

Snoop is the kind of guy who ends up on the front page of the newspaper trying to bring information out by doing some kind of psychotic ****.

But this google thing is really old news

Not only is the Google thing pretty much irrelevant to what Snoop's talking about now, but Snoop is acting like no one was aware the government has secrets and wastes money like crazy.

snoop, i cant say i really disagree with you. there is not much that can be done outside of voting, or even better running for office yourself. i know there is a crapton (slightly more than a buttload) of stuff kept secret from nearly everyone all the time, but honestly most of it erally does not affect me. not saying thats a reason not to care, but im really not up for planning or participating in a major revolt at the moment.

As information technology improves, the quality of information naturally polarizes. There will be more garbage out there, but there will also be many more gems. Just the way it is. It is no longer largely a matter of one's willingness to seek information, but mainly to discern it.

Exactly! Couldn't have said it better myself.

True, I should've said: everything in this thread is really old news.

Oh this is all old news... it's just old and therefore irrelevant.

Like the Bible!

You're making a big deal out of something that is not a big deal. Google isn't hiding anything from us by making the automated search work this way. It's not censorship at all.

This has already been pointed out, Antony. But rather then discuss the facts Snoop is instead taking quotes out of context and putting words in other peoples mouths so he can argue with that instead.

Snoop, in earnest, what is the overarching complaint here? I mean, could you summarize it in a sentence? Because the various practices you're objecting to seem to have in common only the fact that information is in some sense being hidden by someone.

And isn't that what a search engine is used for in the first place? To sort or "censor" information?

not in my world.

i suppose you guys feel safe and secure and figure anything being hidden could never be of relevance or importance to you in the first place. that is fine. i, however do not think i need any form of private entity sponsored censorship (not governmental) in order to live my life without boundries such as social norms or the 'status quo'. i think we have become rather soft as a nation... p/c with our hands tied behind our backs afraid to really address issues that we should have long since overcome considering the advances in the 20th century America.

for the person who asked for a sentence:

is your life worth living if its fabricated by someone who can make the hard decisions for you?

i don't think it is... i think that it is propaganda that no longer serve the sole benefits of our nation. they benefit corporations and politicans which sort of defeats the purpose...

you can think i am crazy but i for one am sick of certain elements of the government intervening in the lives of everyday people for the 'greater good'... who the **** is the greater good anymore? who gets to decide?

Snoop, the biggest problem here is that these thoughts you've presented are terribly misplaced, because they hold little relevance to Google still forcing you to press enter for certain words.

What kind of babbling bull**** is this?