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The HD in HDTV has been cracked.
2010-09-16, 9:44 PM #1
I should say the HDCP in HDTV but, whatever, apparently, this time you'll need pirate hardware to do the trick.

Story here.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-09-16, 9:46 PM #2
I'm not sure what exactly HDCP prevents anyway.
>>untie shoes
2010-09-16, 10:10 PM #3
Basically, it can prevent you from seeing full resolution over analog connections. In other words, for example, your bluray can be gimped to a lower resolution if your connection is via component cables as opposed to HDMI cables. This is an anti-piracy measure. I'm sure if you look up HDCP you'll find out much more that I'm intentionally leaving out.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-09-16, 10:28 PM #4
No, I'm aware of what it's intended to do (even though you don't seem to be)... it just doesn't seem to actually do any of it.
>>untie shoes
2010-09-16, 10:29 PM #5
Pretty much.

The only people who need the hardware are the first guys who'll upload it to the rest of us. It makes me wonder if this counts as a circumvention device under the DMCA, since it's using a legitimate decryption key.
2010-09-16, 11:00 PM #6
Originally posted by Antony:
No, I'm aware of what it's intended to do (even though you don't seem to be)... it just doesn't seem to actually do any of it.


As I've always understood it it has always been at the discretion of the content providers. A relatively small percentage of people probably totally use digital connections right now so that's why we haven't seen resolutions gimped. My guess anyway.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-09-16, 11:06 PM #7
PS3 and now HDCP.
2010-09-16, 11:34 PM #8
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Pretty much.

The only people who need the hardware are the first guys who'll upload it to the rest of us. It makes me wonder if this counts as a circumvention device under the DMCA, since it's using a legitimate decryption key.

Probably would unless my (miniscule) knowledge of DMCA is wrong. Even though it is a legit decryption key, it was obtained through unlicensed means. It's obvious intent is to circumvent copy protections.
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2010-09-17, 6:42 AM #9
It's not like it matters much. Blu-rays and already be ripped via software exploits. With AnyDVD HD you can just copy the mt2s file to your desktop.
2010-09-17, 7:11 AM #10
Yeah, if you're only interested in HD content delivered via physical media.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-09-17, 7:28 AM #11
Intel, one of the ones responsible for HDCP (IIRC), just came out and said "yep, this is it". As if it didn't matter to them at all. So I imagine making use of this key isn't going to be all that useful for the average person.
2010-09-17, 7:29 AM #12
Probably because the engineers making the stuff are smart enough to know it's worthless and don't really care.
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2010-09-17, 7:33 AM #13
Anti-piracy measures only matter in the first few days of a DVD release, anyway.
2010-09-17, 9:59 AM #14
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Yeah, if you're only interested in HD content delivered via physical media.


Well physical media is the only place where HDCP comes into play.
2010-09-17, 10:01 AM #15
Wrong. Unless you are thinking hardware, in which case you are still wrong but it's slightly more forgivable.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-09-17, 10:14 AM #16
Wookie06, technologically challenged once again.
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2010-09-17, 10:47 AM #17
Originally posted by Emon:
Wookie06, technologically challenged once again.


So your belief is that HDCP is, basically, only relevant to Bluray? That's clearly not the case. HDCP is relevant to how content is transmitted between devices. Cable or satellite providers could gimp their HD content if it is not transmitted over HDCP compliant digital connections. This sort of hack is most particularly relevant to on demand, cable, satellite, or over the air HD broadcasts as it could be used, for example, in some sort of HDCP hacked DVR to record that sort of content in HD and "in the plain". In a way this sort of reminds me of the old "hacked" cable boxes that let you watch all available cable broadcasts.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-09-17, 11:13 AM #18
Woosh
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2010-09-17, 11:26 AM #19
I liked you better when you sheltered your fragile ego from my terribly offensive rhetoric.

Here's a thought, if you have something to add, do so. Or continue to troll. It's up to you.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-09-17, 11:48 AM #20
HDCP itself doesn't have anything to do with analog. HDCP compliant devices are banned from high resolution analog output, but that's part of the agreement, not the technology. Unless that's what you meant.
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2010-09-17, 12:08 PM #21
Originally posted by Emon:
Unless that's what you meant.


So, it appears now you understand my point and now we're probably on the same page.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-09-17, 12:11 PM #22
Originally posted by Emon:
HDCP itself doesn't have anything to do with analog. HDCP compliant devices can be banned from high resolution analog output, but that's part of the agreement, not the technology. Unless that's what you meant.


Although, I believe that fixes your statement.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-09-17, 2:33 PM #23
Originally posted by Emon:
Wookie06, technologically challenged once again.


What are you talking about? Wookie06 has a wireless TV. Don't you?
2010-09-17, 2:36 PM #24
Not too sure about that but the simple fact that you haven't come into the thread to eviscerate any of my posts is reassuring!
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-09-17, 5:39 PM #25
Fox News?!?!?! I don't believe it...
" I am the Lizard King, I can do anyhthing... "
2010-09-18, 8:45 AM #26
so how does this affect any of us?
2010-09-18, 8:46 AM #27
It's censorship!!! You may be fine putting your head in the sand but I'm aware of the things our government is doing!
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2010-09-18, 10:14 AM #28
Originally posted by Wookie06:
So your belief is that HDCP is, basically, only relevant to Bluray? That's clearly not the case. HDCP is relevant to how content is transmitted between devices. Cable or satellite providers could gimp their HD content if it is not transmitted over HDCP compliant digital connections. This sort of hack is most particularly relevant to on demand, cable, satellite, or over the air HD broadcasts as it could be used, for example, in some sort of HDCP hacked DVR to record that sort of content in HD and "in the plain". In a way this sort of reminds me of the old "hacked" cable boxes that let you watch all available cable broadcasts.


Ok, I guess there's over the air stuff. I was trying to think of a situation in which you wouldn't have it connected to something that was playing from physical media, and I didn't think of that. I don't really consider over the air content to be worth the effort, IMO.

Even with HDCP, the analog hole exists, it's just kind of a pain to get to. You could always take apart an HDCP monitor, and feed the output of the decoder circuitry back into an FPGA that would convert the data back into a video stream. It would be a pain but it'd certainly be doable. Although in the case of LCDs, addressing of the individual pixels is still digital, not analog.
2010-09-18, 10:55 AM #29
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
the analog hole exists, it's just kind of a pain to get to.


Hey guys, just letting you know I am still immature. Thanks for your time.
Warhead[97]
2010-09-18, 12:23 PM #30
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
I don't really consider over the air content to be worth the effort, IMO.


To be honest, I don't know which content might currently be gimped on analog output. The ability is in every device that uses HDCP but it is not a requirement that all programming be "protected" from the evil more recordable analog standards. Significant over the air content that many would consider worth the effort would be premium, or even "normal", sports events. Pay per view and other events that make it to set top boxes before bluray. And heck, even bluray, if you could record a film faster than ripping it and packaging it into an MKV, it could be much more convenient.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

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