You and your propositions.

So Prop 19, will I be hearing about this for weeks to come?

Is it causing a stir over there or not a big deal?

Just get it over with, CA. You already decriminalized it. Just legalize the friggin stuff.

Apparently polls have somewhat reversed as of late. I believe the last somewhat accurate survey said 49/44 pro prop19, but now it is 49/44 against. I obviously hope the thing passes, it pretty much should be now that Ahnold decriminalized it. Any sane person should recognize the hypocrisy of keeping it illegal.

Things were looking good, but you can never count out two groups of people when it comes to progressive issues like this, old people and religious people (so conservative DURP). For an issue like this, you can guarantee that the religious folk will be out in record numbers because "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!"

Echoman, if it passes you are guaranteed to hear more about it, since already the feds and some police districts in california have said that if CA legalizes they will decide to enforce federal instead of state law. That is gonna be pretty interesting to watch, and it would be quite the large news story. Itll be interesting because Republicans would love to go after Obama and say that he doesn't respect states rights, specifically the enumeration clause and I'm sure they would dig up everything related to obamas pretty much confirmed weed smoking as well as his support of medicinal marijuana. But, no politician in their right mind will argue for legalization of weed.

If it doesn't pass, it'll be gone till the next ballot, rinse and repeat.

This is bigger than you think. Politicians are pouring money into the anti-prop 19 campaign from all over the country because prop-19 represents more than just pot; prop-19 is an affirmation that the tenth amendment still exists. It's a direct assault on federal power.

As for the local police and the attorney general of California; they don't work for the feds. If they violate state laws to enforce federal laws (Which they shouldn't be enforcing in the first place - federal laws are for feds to enforce) they will be held accountable in California courts. You can count on the ACLU to sue the lot of them the first time someone is arrested for pot.

If this passes, the next few years will be very interesting.

Hey, is there a proposition fror MY DICK?

(say yes)

I like US politics because it's so bat**** insane.

...now where is my cigar cutter...

If it passes, it'll be for all the wrong reasons, but I hope it does anyway.

What wrong reasons? prohibition of anything is wrong

What a ****ing waste. Nice of California to legalize if it happens, but even growing small amounts of marijuana for personal use is still federal crime thanks to what might be the worst Commerce Clause decision ever in Gonzales v. Raich.

Cali should succeed and join Canada.

I actually support any kind of secession movement in dividing the state in to North California and South California.

I haven't seen/heard a whole lot about 19 here in San Diego. I think the still strong conservative base is trying the whole ":ssh: if they don't know about it, they won't vote for it" tactic. I'm voting yes on it for this really is the modern day equivalent of the 18th Amendment.

It won't pass. If 8 couldn't pass in CA, then 19 won't pass. People are just going to knee-jerk think that their kid(s) are going to turn out 1st lazy stoners, then become crack addicts as they move up in the "drug chain". Also, like 8, the opposition is well funded. Instead of Mormons, you have Congress. Sadly, the only hope of this passing is relying on young folks. Their motivation is the ability to get stoned without any large repercussions.

JM, even if this does pass, I do not believe the rest of the 49 states will take California seriously. In fact, we'll probably be laughed at. If California wasn't so financially ****ed up, yes, we'd probably be listed to. But if 19 passed, I think it will seem like all us CA-ians want to do is just get stoned rather than fix our horrendous budget and other financial problems (ironically, I think 19 will fix that practically overnight).

I forsee another "dalf's Guide to the California Propositions" thread, soon.

hey dalf who's to blame for California becoming lame is it Arnold "I'll write a barely hidden message that says **** you" SCHWARZENEGGER

Just because the supreme court has made a decision does not mean that decision is right. Nullification is the next step up from the supreme court; that's why this is such a big deal.



That would be true if it was just about the pot, or if a whole bunch of states hadn't already followed California's lead on the medical marijuana issue. I predict that once the fallout has settled, and people see it's successful in California at reducing their prison population and their crime rate at the same time, it won't be a fringe issue anymore.

Who I'm concerned about are all the people in California already in federal prison on pot charges. The feds aren't going to just let them go. I dearly hope someone in California files a huge class action suite demanding their release. And files it again and again and again every time they lose.

Eh, I don't know about that. I don't see it first hand but I really think the public is more educated on marijuana. Prop 19 also has a money behind it. Why would the other 49 states laugh at this? Prohibition doesn't work.... and at the very least it will bring in tons of money, you can't deny this.

How does it bring in tons of money? I know literally nothing about economics.

Well I figure it's pretty simple. Right now they bring in 0 dollars for marijuana sales. But when it is regulated, controlled and taxed, they will see dollars signs. And a lot of people will be buying it, that's my guess but I'd go on to say it's a pretty good chance.

[edit] Not only do they bring in 0 dollars for marijuana sales, but they say good bye to millions of dollars while we keep petty non-violent marijuana "criminals" locked up in our prisons and waste money on this "war on drugs".

Um. How do you propose that California "nullify" federal drug enforcement? Kick DEA agents out of their state?

In case I was unclear, Prop. 19 itself is perfectly legal. California certainly has the right to direct that its own resources won't be used to enforce drug prohibition. I just don't expect it to make much difference.



Yeah, because repeatedly filing frivolous habeas corpus petitions on behalf of inmates who are likely not able to pay him is a great way for a lawyer to earn a living, and is certain not to lose him his license.

That's a vast overstatement. Technically anything that's illegal is prohibited. I don't think you'd be too happy if someone stabbed you and stole your car.

I however think they need to reduce most substances to the level of alcohol and tobacco. Tax the piss out of it, and let people kill themselves if they want (directed more at harder drugs).

I think it's pretty obvious what I'm referring too.. of course I would like it if someone stabbed me and stole my car, why doesn't this ever happen to me?

I completely agree about prohibition of most substances being wrong, but I feel like if this passes in CA it'll be primarily due to financial gains and potheads. Not that the financial reasons are necessarily bad, I just think they're more like side benefits. And I think a lot of people who vote yes will be suffering from the same problem I see exhibited on other issues, which is: "I want this to be legal only because it directly benefits me, not for any notion of greater good or principle."

How can an addition of a personal freedom, (especially one that when exercised has no effect on anybody but the user), be anything but for the greater good of the people?

not trying to nit pick, but i dont think the very real conflicts with mexican drug cartels needs the dismissive fingerquote title. a LOT of people have died in mexico... like almost as many as in the entire iraq and afghanistan wars. people are being killed and abducted daily on both sides of the border.

... but that aside i am actually for prop 19.

The "war on drugs" has been ongoing far longer than the recent escalation of the mexican drug cartels.

I mean, it pretty much started with Nancy Regan's "Just Say No" campaign. I think the phrase "war on drugs" was coined during the first Bush administration. [edit]i was wrong. it was nixon.[/edit]

I was gonna vote for Prop 19, until I got high

Yea I see nothing wrong with voting for legalizing use of a substance that is arguably less harmful than legal alcohol or tobacco products.

That's not entirely true either. Just like alcohol, it can impair your ability to do other things. This is probably the biggest argument against legalization. I think they are worried about vehicular accidents occurring under substance influence will rise if this is legalized. I personally think those who already drive impaired do so without concern of legality.

Do you agree that if prop 19 passes it will put a hurt on these cartels?

Well, since it will still be federally illegal, I don't imagine you'll be able to pick up an ounce of hydro at Wallgreens... So I can't really imagine how it's going to "put a hurt on these cartels"

Well, yeah I doubt that you would pick it up at wallgreens, but every smoke shop in California will probably have a stash for sale upon request. I imagine it will probably have an affect on cartels marijuana sales, but obviously not on hard drugs.

of course, the only seemingly right reasons are for medicinal use/pain treatment, but of course we already have these, so most people will just want to smoke up like their favorite rap "jam" told them to.

What an incredibly stupid comment. People smoke because it's relaxing and fun. The same reason people drink alcohol. Yet, marijuana is nowhere near as toxic or destructive.

Pretty ironic that a guy named Couchman is making adverse comments about Marijuana

I bet most people that smoke marijuana in recreational use listen to everything but rap.

At least not like people who drink because their favorite country "song" told them to.

I think you're grossly mistaken.

Well I say most which could be 51% of people, I just think Couchman is making stereotypes.

Stereotypes about people that smoke pot?

NEVER!

Yes.

California is not saying 'We will not prosecute pot users' - they already did that; what Prop-19 is saying is that it's legal. That, in the state of California, it is illegal to arrest someone for possessing pot. This is an assertion of state sovereignty. This is exactly what the tenth amendment says they have a right to do.

By passing this, California isn't just stopping local law enforcement, it's telling the feds to **** off.

First of all, how do i supremacy claused?

Second of all, the State of California's analysis of the proposition suggests absolutely nothing of the sort.