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Thread locks suck
2010-11-10, 7:44 AM #1
Not specifically the one I see now, but in the past few months there have been at least two tech support threads by a specific moderator and when he got the answer he was looking for, he locked the thread. WTF?
2010-11-10, 7:47 AM #2
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2010-11-10, 7:48 AM #3
The red kind or the blue kind?
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2010-11-10, 8:04 AM #4
We're slowly becoming Yahoo Answers.
2010-11-10, 8:10 AM #5
Hi Brian!

Thread #1 had a bot revive it from a year prior. Any thread that gets revived like that gets closed. I don't see what the problem was with that.

Thread #2 - Issue was resolved in like 3 posts. I posted the fix and closed the thread to prevent the "wow youre a moronlololol" posts. So what? If you have a problem with that, I will gladly open up a thread that nobody will have a need to post in.
[01:52] <~Nikumubeki> Because it's MBEGGAR BEGS LIKE A BEGONI.
2010-11-10, 8:12 AM #6
Also here are the threads in question for anyone who cares (Hint: Nobody)

http://forums.massassi.net/vb3/showthread.php?t=55744

http://forums.massassi.net/vb3/showthread.php?t=57886
[01:52] <~Nikumubeki> Because it's MBEGGAR BEGS LIKE A BEGONI.
2010-11-10, 8:15 AM #7
mb, I know you've probably been a mod longer than I've been a member, so please excuse me in advance for expressing my thoughts on the matter, but I don't really see the point of having to be a bit of an arse towards the person who made Massassi. :(

Anyhow, since this made me a bit sad here's a joke a colleague told me over coffee today.

A guy is walking with his camel in the desert. It's frigging hot, he's all covered in sweat, he doesn't know how long he can walk for...

VROOOOM! another guy flies by him on a motorbike.

"Hey!" shouts the first guy, "Hold on!"

The other guy stops, backpedals, and asks, "What's up?"

"Aren't you frigging hot on the motorcycle?"

"Nope, I'm going so fast that the wind's hitting my face and cooling me down," says the guy on the motorcycle and speeds off.

Hey, that's a good idea, thinks our protagonist. He gets on his camel and rides the camel BLOODY FAST through the desert. Wind's hitting his face, he feels all cool and good. Then after an hour the camel drops dead.

****, it froze to death, thinks the guy.
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2010-11-10, 8:25 AM #8
pwnt!
2010-11-10, 8:27 AM #9
Originally posted by Emon:
The red kind or the blue kind?


:D
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2010-11-10, 8:28 AM #10
And by the way,

Originally posted by Emon:
The red kind or the blue kind?


Did you forget where we are?

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2010-11-10, 8:30 AM #11
what? green loctite!
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2010-11-10, 8:38 AM #12
Originally posted by mb:
Hi Brian!

Thread #1 had a bot revive it from a year prior. Any thread that gets revived like that gets closed. I don't see what the problem was with that.

Thread #2 - Issue was resolved in like 3 posts. I posted the fix and closed the thread to prevent the "wow youre a moronlololol" posts. So what? If you have a problem with that, I will gladly open up a thread that nobody will have a need to post in.


I concede your first point. For the second, just because you got your problem solved doesn't mean the discussion about that issue or similar issues should require a new thread.

Imagine what this forum would look like if everyone who posted a thread closed it after they were no longer interested in it.
2010-11-10, 8:42 AM #13
Originally posted by Brian:
Imagine what this forum would look like if everyone who posted a thread closed it after they were no longer interested in it.


There would probably be a lot less bickering.
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2010-11-10, 8:44 AM #14
I seriously don't think this is going to become a locking epidemic, Brian. Besides, 99% of the time, even when a thread is left unlocked, people make a new thread when they have a similar issue.

This issue is a non-issue.
2010-11-10, 8:50 AM #15
Originally posted by Koobie:
I don't really see the point of having to be a bit of an arse towards the person who made Massassi. :(


Didn't mean to come off as an arse, I was simply stating the facts.

Originally posted by Brian:
I concede your first point. For the second, just because you got your problem solved doesn't mean the discussion about that issue or similar issues should require a new thread.

Imagine what this forum would look like if everyone who posted a thread closed it after they were no longer interested in it.


Thats true, but I made a judgement call. When it was posted I had a feeling there was a chance for the thread to spiral off into nothing important.

Honestly, if anyone has a problem with a thread being locked just PM me. I'm willing to tell you why I locked it if that's not obvious. Theres no need for silly passive aggressive threads like this.
[01:52] <~Nikumubeki> Because it's MBEGGAR BEGS LIKE A BEGONI.
2010-11-10, 8:55 AM #16
I don't think there was anything passive about my original post. I saw a lock this morning and remembered when last time I wanted to comment on a thread and it was locked, and I was annoyed by it, so I posted a thread. I didn't mention your name specifically because I couldn't remember which mod it was. I knew it was one with a short nick that was all lower case, which leaves you and dalf.

Most times, it's obvious why a thread was locked -- bunch of personal insults, spiraling into really, really bad crap, thread necro, etc.
2010-11-10, 8:57 AM #17
Originally posted by zanardi:
what? green loctite!

Whoa, it works on preassembled parts due to capillary action. That could be really useful. Thanks for the thread Brian, I learned something today!
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2010-11-10, 9:02 AM #18
Damn mb, you don't need to be a dick.



Also, green loctite?! Wha wha wha?! Post-assembly application? BEST THREAD EVER! I don't understand how this "capillary action" works on screw threads. They're super tight (thus their usefulness) and often water-tight. How the **** does green loctite (or PB Blaster or Liquid Wrench) get in there?
2010-11-10, 9:09 AM #19
I think they just have to warp the space-time continuum.
2010-11-10, 9:11 AM #20
I typed up some explanation but deleted it when I realized it wasn't as good as the Wikipedia article.

Quote:
It occurs because of inter-molecular attractive forces between the liquid and solid surrounding surfaces; If the diameter of the tube is sufficiently small, then the combination of surface tension (which is caused by cohesion within the liquid) and forces of adhesion between the liquid and container act to lift the liquid.
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2010-11-10, 9:14 AM #21
Ok, but how does it work on screw threads where there is no space, or when you apply it on screws threaded in downward? I read the article too, and it failed to answer my question.
2010-11-10, 9:20 AM #22
So much hate on mb.. it looks like everyone is picking up the slack for antony. Or maybe mb just lost some weight.. we can't have that now can we.
2010-11-10, 9:24 AM #23
There's a lot of space in screw threads, it's just small. If you had a water tight thread then no, it probably wouldn't work. What do you mean, screws threaded downward? The examples of it working upward are to show that it overcomes the force of gravity. It works the same way with gravity.

By the way, what threads are water tight? Most threads I've seen that are water tight have some kind of sealant, even teflon tape.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2010-11-10, 9:49 AM #24
The screws for the water pump system on my 327 motor.
2010-11-10, 9:52 AM #25
Um what? Usually the things that hold water pumps are bolts, and they don't normally bolt into a water channel. Usually they bolt around and the thing that keeps the water pump water tight is a gasket. Unless I'm completely misunderstanding what you're talking about.

Also, this thread didn't go the direction I predicted.
2010-11-10, 10:31 AM #26
Reverse (or *******) thread?
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2010-11-10, 10:36 AM #27
Originally posted by Brian:
Usually they bolt around and the thing that keeps the water pump water tight is a gasket. Unless I'm completely misunderstanding what you're talking about.

Yeah, this. It's very hard to make a watertight thread seal vs. using a gasket.
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2010-11-10, 10:37 AM #28
That probably explains all of my cooling problems :P
2010-11-10, 10:58 AM #29
Originally posted by Brian:

Also, this thread didn't go the direction I predicted.


Lock it!!
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2010-11-10, 11:36 AM #30
This would have never happened if we still had the tech forum....
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2010-11-10, 2:47 PM #31
Originally posted by Steven:
Ok, but how does it work on screw threads where there is no space, or when you apply it on screws threaded in downward? I read the article too, and it failed to answer my question.


The only threads that I know of that are truly watertight are NPT pipe threads, like on sprinkler systems and gas lines. The threads ARE what make the seal. You would never use threadlocker on this. All your standard bolts that hold engines together and whatnot have a relativly significant amount of space between the threads, more so on the "back" or "bottom" side of the thread. This is why you're supposed to RTV any engine bolts that go into water jackets. This stuff works it's way through the threads in much the same way that trees draw water up through their trunk against gravity.

THAT SAID.......I would be somewhat skeptical on the effectiveness of using it post-assembly. If it's important enough to put threadlocker on it, then pull the damn thing out and do it the old fashioned way.
2010-11-10, 11:27 PM #32
Originally posted by KOP_AoEJedi:
This would have never happened if we still had the tech forum....


There's not enough activity over multiple forums to warrant the tech forum anymore. I'm glad it was wiped out, because it got pretty worthless to post in if you wanted to resolve your tech issue in any reasonable amount of time.
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2010-11-11, 7:28 AM #33
Originally posted by Dash_rendar:
If it's important enough to put threadlocker on it, then pull the damn thing out and do it the old fashioned way.

Maybe for inaccessible areas, or fasteners that are tightened to a specific torque spec and you just don't want to **** with it?
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2010-11-11, 5:56 PM #34
This thread has gone way off-topic. It needs to be locked.
2010-11-11, 6:02 PM #35
I saw an ad in a magazine today for Loctite tape and my mind was blown
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2010-11-11, 6:44 PM #36
Doesn't take much?
2010-11-11, 7:02 PM #37
well played sir
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2010-11-11, 9:25 PM #38
hahaha seriously though it sounds cool. I use teflon tape for pipe threads for water tightness but never heard of either the green locktite or the tape.

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