Hi,

I am writing this only to this form because I hope maybe one of you would agree with me so I feel like it was worth typing out.

I was injured playing hockey two weeks ago. I play Club D3 for my college. It's a pretty competitive leauge. Anyways, what happened was me and defense men from the other team were skating for a puck along the boards in there zone. There defensemen beat me but feel with his feet out from under him. I had no where to go but was with the puck when I got checked really hard from the side into the boards. You aren't allowed to hit someone with more then 3 strides. This guy was skating hard back checking and hit me straight along the boards with what looked like "little" impact (my shoulders in an akward postion absorbed the hit). My sternoclavicular joint (collar bone to sternum) immediately began to hurt as if it had been pushed out of place. It was on the left side, where I had a previous broken collar bone which was already abnormally large from a football injury years ago.

I played the rest of the game but iced it in between intermission. I had a huge lump on my chest that was bony feeling. This was mashed up bits of cartilige since the ligaments that are in your SC are very strong. I knew that this was in need of an explanation because it was NOT normal to me.

I went the ER that night and got x-rays with negative to everything but got vicodin. After two nurse practioners, an orthopedic, and a chiropractor; NONE had any kind of answer or solution other then "give it time" with the ortho saying 6-8 weeks and the chiropractor saying 2-3.

Well as you can guess I immediately was skeptical of a chiro but this weird amusing kid in my german class said go see him because he is really good. I went and he ultimately concluded that I had ribs out of place. It was more then that though. He said with alignments he could put my ribs back in place. I was sitting up on the table when he was looking at my back (with my northface zip up on) and felt a couple of the vertabrae in my neck. He said that he could move one of my vertabraes one direction but it didn't move the other way. This was from a sublaxation. He wanted to give a spiel about the spine being related to other illnesses but he knew I didn't want to hear it.

The real MD's said nothing but time with pain killers.

This really left me kind of depressed. I was injured and there were literally no steps I could take to make myself feel better. What was worse was that this injury caused me to constantly have strain in my shoulders that was more painful then anything I've thus been through. I'm used to quick recoveries.

The strain was caused by something unknown to me though. I didn't know how to make it stop. While in the mirror after a shower I noticed my collar bone was sitting on the front of my chest. This pulled on my shoulder blades up and it really hurt. This made my posture terrible. That was the problem.

Now, look at all these people today when they get old. They don't even look human. There backs are rounded out and there walk does not resemble anything anatomically designed. Yet I'm sure there doctor tells them they are perfectly healthy since they have low cholesterol or whatever and gives them a pill for indigestion.

This is what modern health care is. Taking care of the problem not the person. Oh well.

/end rant

cliffs: I thought I could trust a doctor to know my body better then me. I was wrong... and now believe that our poor posture and failure to maintain our natural anatomical designs are whats causing todays health problems.

ahahahahahahahaha

And hockey?

Go take a course in medicine.

i wouldn't have diabetes if i could only stand up straight

*eats a bag of pork rinds, drinks a gallon of diet pepsi*

Nope, it's fluoridation of water.

hockey rules

Our precious bodily fluids!

Doctors are good for some things but not so good for others. I learned this a couple years ago after I was the victim of a moderate (~25-30mph) rear ender. They didn't have a clue what was causing my back pain, called it "soft tissue injury" which my lawyer said was doctor speak for "we don't know what the ****". Take some anti-inflammatory, yadda yadda yadda, nothing.

I've been able to eliminate 99% of my pain by taking up swimming, straightening my posture, and doing stretches in the morning and evening and before I do any kind of activity. The sooner you realize that you're on your own and responsible for your own health, and that nobody knows your body like you, the healthier you'll be.

No, the unprecedented consumption of saturated fat through unheard of amounts of dairy, as well as unhealthy amounts of grains are a large contributor to modern health problems. Probably more pertinent is the fact that half the **** we eat isn't even real food anymore.

But also posture and hockey. I agree with you in spirit I guess, but I have to think that the elderly in the past were rarely shining examples of health, especially versus today, what with back breaking labor and all that. Of course, many of us have gone from backbreaking labor to a sedentary lifestyle. Good job western civilization! <trust him

Though, there is a distinct difference between being fit and healthy. The ideal is obviously both.

Medicine!


Building bridges!

Saturated fats aren't a problem


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Dash, it sounds like you should have gone to a physical therapist. Your doctor should have recommended you to one. Medicine is extremely complicated and no doctor knows everything.

This is completely unsubstantiated. You have not even the basic grasp on the fundamentals of biology but you're making an incredibly bold statement without evidence.

Essentially, you're another idiot with another useless anecdote claiming "my truth works for me."

God I hope you're right....





Yeah, I was referred to one and made several visits. I got the electrode therapy machine which was kinda cool I guess. Not sure if it really helped. We did go over stretches which were helpful I suppose.

I also saw an acupuncturist (which was surprisingly soothing and did help with pain for a day or so but it always came back).

The chiropractor helped most of all. Had zero pain in the 3 months I went to see him 2x a week.

Still, no matter who I saw, I always felt like I was getting generic treatment and lip service because my pain wasn't debilitating and I could still walk around and move normal with hardly any pain until I moved my body just right and sharp pain would lock me up instantly. Of course I could never duplicate this in front of any doctor.

This all went on for 2 years, so I just said F it and started doing my own things to attempt to strengthen the surrounding area and my entire body and keep loose. Better this way anyway, I prefer to look out for myself if at all possible. It's been working great and has had plenty of additional benefits.

I don't blame the doctors at all. I completely understand how complicated, imperfect, and opinionated medicine is. Some of these injuries you just can't do much about.

I don't see what all this health mumbo jumbo is about. Why do people find it necessary to obsess over everything. If people just ate logically and in moderation we wouldn't have a problem.

Thanksgiving is coming up. Splurge that day, eat a ton. Don't eat as much the days before and don't eat as much a few days after. Mix up your diet. A salad now and then along with some fruit won't kill you. Have a fat greasy burger every now and then, who really cares, it's not like a year is going to be magically stripped from your life as soon as it enters your stomach.

While nutritional science as a whole is about as scientific as psychology or economics, I have been theorizing that the ratio of saturated to other types of fat IS important. Saturated fats are important to your diet (contrary to conventional wisdom) and some peoples even survive on them nearly exclusively. However, I believe optimum health comes from a balance of fats where saturated fats are in the minority. It also helps that people who consume large amounts of fat (the Inuit, for example) are eating the fat of animals with complete, wild diets. We eat dairy, meat and fat from grain fed (that means unhealthy) cows, not to even mention the chemicals introduced throughout the cow, and resulting food's lifespan.



I don't try to eat well because I want to live a long time. Dear god, I'm going to get decrepit one way or the other. But I've discovered that nearly eliminating dairy, grains, and 'fewd' as I call it, from my diet, makes me feel awesome. I'm lactose intolerant, and I don't think dairy is the evil some paleo types make it out to be, but I sincerely believe grains should be treated like a delicacy any place where you don't have an economic need for cheap calories.

That said I am going to go down to my kitchen and make me a burrito.

I haven't had a lot of luck w/ doctors in the past but that was a hell of balls massage that the ultrasound technician gave me the other day. That cold vaseline-like stuff that she rubbed on & around my junk gave me instant wood. She was just a tease though & didn't finish me off.

P.S. This entire thread could be summed up w/ 1 word: BALANCE.

Don't forget your daily dose of giant pixie sticks

I used to be a normal person until I got my flu vaccine and now I have autisDERP A DURP A DOOOOOO.



The problem is a person. Things like preventative action can help catch things earlier than otherwise, but medicine is largely a reactive practice, not a proactive practice. Thus, all that can be done is to treat the current problem and encourage behaviors that can reduce the likelihood of early onset of complications.

I did manage to avoid an erection when I had an ultrasound down there, but damn it felt good.

I guess I still don't know which part of this thread is supposed to be "A joke".

health care

Where would someone go to learn more about realistic scientifically proven dietary advice? I've always been rather healthy, but after recently being diagnosed with severe acid reflux, I have to pay attention to what I buy and eat, and I might as well see what else I can do. Any time I have looked up this kind of information though, it's always based on BMI and I have no idea how to account for my dwarfism.

For realistically scientifically proven dietary advice you're going to have to go to the onion. Seriously, nutritional science is, for the most part, a voodoo science that is just barely recovering from the even worse science of the middle of last century.

I would stay away from diets like the zone that rely on measuring macronutrient intake relative to body weight, because, like you said, you have a rare variable. Looking into primal/paleo eating styles has taken me the most interesting places, and honestly, you can find scientific 'proof' for almost any style of eating you please.

When I had an ulcer, I basically had to stay away from fatty foods (chips, candy, red meat, cheese, nuts), things with spices (Italian food with red sauces, including pizza, Mexican, most Asian food, hummus), and things that were acidic (soda, most prominently). I could have white meats (mostly poultry), gelatin, yogurt, juices, breads, and vegetables.

Also, a healthy dose of Protonix - if you can get it, it's fantastic for neutralizing acid. The stuff's like prescription-strength antacid on steroids. Within a day, my ulcer was almost 99% gone.

Oh I know all about that stuff from my doctor, those are the kinds of things I have to change in my diet already. I was just wondering, besides fighting the reflux, if there were any other dietary choices I could make that would be beneficial in other ways. I just mentioned the reflux because I haven't really paid this much attention to what I eat, before.

This place details a really great, if somewhat, uh, dogmatic? approach to diet. It's not on the extreme end of 'cut these things out of your diet entirely' but it really just makes me feel awesome when I make food choices that resemble Mark Sisson's guidelines. And he has healthy helpings of research and studies in many posts that prevents it from being a crazy person diet.

here, science:

eat less.

That's some ****ty science.

I have no problem with losing weight at this point so why would I eat less? If you want simplistic soundbytes go with

eat real food

If you're eating unprocessed, whole food that is less calorically dense, you are going to end up eating more volume to reach satisfaction, at which time you will have more realistically filled your macro and micronutrient needs. Eating less isn't the best solution for losing weight. Douche.

I'm sorry I didn't mean that.

Burn more calories then you intake.

here, science:

eat less.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie_restriction#References

Intake... penis?

A large number of Okinawan 'centenarians' have been discovered to have been dead for years.

Besides, you aren't going to restrict calories by eating smaller amounts on the Standard American Diet. You will get scurvy before you see the effects of caloric resctriction. If you eat less calorie-dense food until you feel full, you will, surprise, be restricting calories! But dumbing it down to 'eat less' is you being a pretentious ****head. 'Less' to most people means a smaller volume, and it just sin't that simple.

Pretending to be capable of giving meaningful, specific dietary advice to any person other than one's self makes one a pretentious ****head.

A paleo-diet is the zany fad diet equivalent of listening to Radiohead. i.e. it makes one a pretentious ****head.

Ignoring well-proven simple wisdom in favor of ritualism and dogma because it 'doesn't sound right' makes one a pretentious ****head.

You could have left it with the first sentence, but then you really had to rub it in with the second. Feel better?

If you did this forever you would die.

I already posted all of that dude

You're giving Tibby advice on how to live longer?

something is amiss methinks...

...an article which states the specific health effect of calorie reduction has been isolated to the insulin receptors on certain fat cells. What's amiss about that? Did you even read it?