In keeping with my tradition of watching the hell out of old shows from the 90's, I finished with TNG today.
Hooo boy, I wish I had been alive for this when aired. What a magnificent work of art that show was. The crew of the ship almost felt like family, albeit distant relatives. The way the show was able to go into deep thoughtful episodes, dark episodes, and come up with some very interesting issues, but never cross the line and become too serious for it's own good must've taken some major effort. Although I think they missed out on a good possible arc with the borg; they introduced them, built them up, and then they just sort of fizzled out after Hugh. Same with the Cardassians and the Romulans, I was excepting events to come to a head and some space ship battles. But considering what the show is it's probably a good thing that they never started a war. Perhaps the other series explored these issues more.

I have to say the high point would have to be the episode "The Inner Light" which is the best example of humanities potential I can think of. I seriously cannot possibly communicate the level of love I have for that episode, enough good things cannot be said about it. The "Second part" of the Inner Light where Picard falls in love with a scientist was also well done. and of course any episode involving; Q, Geordies love life, Data's quest to understand humanity,The Holodeck, or Barclays assorted problems was always a good one. Very few episodes were dull enough for me to lose interest, and not a single one forced me to skip it. The finale episode is the most well done finale I have seen, and was especially welcome after watching the gimmicky marketing piles that were the "endings" of Stargate and Atlantis. The exploration of the future of the crew felt very natural. The closing shot of Picard playing cards with the crew is something I will always remember.

Other notes; Wesley is a dick, Worfs son is a wuss, Tasha died for no real reason, the first two seasons were incredibly slow (Albeit still good), Movie Picard =/= TV Picard, The bridge changed at one point, Holding your breath in a vacuum would make your lungs explode(Beverly is a terrible doctor),If you don't get teary eyed watching The Inner Light you are a bad person, DNA does not work that way x100.


Time to watch Firefly for an intermission and then start DS9. Feel free to discuss the greatest TV series ever.

DS9 is way way better than TNG. First season has a couple of pretty awful episodes (Babel springs to mind!) but after that it's awesome.

Better? Then TNG?
I hope you are right, but I find that hard to believe.
Also, I am going to ask that nobody spoils DS9 in this thread. Voyager, TOS, TNG (Obviously) are fair game. But please do not spoil anything from DS9 or the newer series, Enterprise I think it was.

DS9 and TNG are very different. In fact, it's interesting to watch the first season or so of DS9 for all the ways in which they try to do exactly the opposite of TNG's formula. Eventually it picks up a rhythm of its own, though, and in many ways it does become a better series than TNG. (Although TNG will probably always be my favorite series.)

You'll be seeing plenty more of the Cardassians: there's a reason things didn't come to head with them in TNG.

My wife and I are watching our way through TNG right now: we just recently finished Season 2, which is something of a small miracle. But we managed to sit through every episode (even Shades of Gray), except for The Child. Ugh. What an abysmal character Deanna was. Unlike most Star Trek fans I know, though, I rather liked Dr. Pulaski: even as a female rehash of Bones for the 80's, she still had a lot more character than Crusher ever managed to.

Tasha died because she decided to leave the show.
I Agree about the Borg.
The latter seasons were a little different because Gene Roddenberry died, Rick Berman took over and Ron Moore and Brannon Braga started doing alot of the writing.

The finale was written by Moore and braga.

Moore also wrote the BSG finale, which is up there as one of the better series finale's ever.

The finale of TNG is fantastic. Such a shame that they completely contradicted it in Generations.

But just remember : Not a bit of TNG is canon anymore! The only series they managed not to decanonize with the most recent movie is the worst of the bunch. The movie looked so promising. And then the villian was just some angry romulan with a lot of red ****.

Most of the shows were actuallly written by fans that created stories on their own. I'm not sure exactly how many episodes of TNG there are but TNG was one of the only shows to adopt this attitute apparently. If you look at the writing credits for each episode you'll see a lot of them aren't credited to either Berman or Braga, just the executive producer credits.

Ds9 is NOT better then TNG for two reasons:

Piccard and Riker.

Tibby, dear, pal. I'm going to save you a whole lot of time.

They stop the temporal war, they stop the humans who want to eradicate all nonhumans from human planets, they survive the Expanse, Archer makes some morally questionable choices, I'm pretty sure the vulcan and the weapons officer (Or whatever role Tucker was) get together, and the captain has a stupid dog or cat or something.

Those were the spoilers for Enterprise, now you don't have to watch it. It was terrible. Just don't waste your time.

Enterprise was actually quite enjoyable in the last season, though happydud is saving you some trouble mentioning the temporal cold war stuff, though what he should have mentioned is that they never really resolve a lot of questions around it, but that's OK.

TNG had some pretty awful moments too if you get over nostalgia for some and Patrick Stewart's amazing acting in some episodes for others (seriously, there are some freakin' moving episodes because of him). As mentioned before, Crusher is the worst of the Star Trek doctors, and Troi is a pretty annoying especially early in the series.

DS9, once you get past the first couple seasons, is pretty awesome as well.

Watch a few eps of DS9 then skip to the Dominion War.

DS9 gets really good when the Dominion shows up and Sisko decides to start going all badass.

Can I punch you through the internet? What the **** is wrong with you.

E: X#s there is only one C in Picard :saddowns:.

Tibby,

Please do not abuse the "Report Post" button. happydud did nothing to violate the forums rules. The "Report Post" is there for posts that actually break the rules not as a "WAAAAAAAAAAAAH! The mean happydud ruined it for me and made me CRY!". Also, dud actually did save you a lot of painful watching. Enterprise did suck. 4th season was tolerable but the rest blew chunks.

Also, calm down.

TNG was probably my favorite Star Trek series. I enjoyed Voyager, and started watching it on it's second to last season, curious if they would ever make it home. I even bought Elite Force. . .
In retrospect I think the only reason I watched it had to do with being 13 and Jeri Ryan.
But TNG always felt like home. It usually didn't matter what episode you came in on, it was always interesting.

Here's a good intermission Tibby.
(Language Warning)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNKqJiMfkUs

Fairly certain that it's my own choice to decide what sucks and what doesn't, not someone else's. If someone walked in and posted the final 5 as well as the finale to Galactica because they thought it sucked, in a thread asking for that specifically not to be done, I'm sure the result would be different. I'm willing to leave it be now, since an executive decision has been made. I woke up angry today okay.

Let's get back to discussing TNG!- Are the movies really all that terrible? First Contact seems to make a little bit of sense if you frame it as if it happened immediately after the events of "The Best of Both Worlds" but it makes no sense at all after the series proper.

If I could post a giant Carl I would, but dalf would get pissed and probably ban me again.

So given the theme, this pro dalf sized image will have to do:

The primary difference is that the entire internet and star trek community agreed that Enterprise sucked hard, which is why it was cancelled.

Back to our regularly scheduled thread.

You can't even spell the captain's name right, so I already question how valid your opinion is.

DS9 just gets better and better. The first time you meet the Dominion will be made all the more powerful since you've just watched TNG. If you wanted space battles just watch DS9.

Enterprise got better once they dropped the stupid Temporal Cold War story. It was almost like the show got better after everyone gave up on it. Oh well...

It's not that I wanted space battles, I just expected them when they built up not one, but 3 hyper-powered enemies.

RELEVANT.

It makes perfect sense at any point in the series timeline, nothing is changed or erased or created in an alternate timeline, etc... How exactly doesn't First Contact make any sense?..

And yes, the movies are more like long episodes rather than something that seems like a big screen outing. I remember when I talked to Levar Burton on the phone a few years ago after Nemesis came out how he told me every single case member pretty much hated that film and wanted to do another TNG crew related film only this time with one last big huge bang so to speak to say goodbye and pass off the torch.

That said, I do not think they are bad movies per say. Except Nemesis.

First Contact is the best TNG movie made, followed by Insurrection then Generations, and finally Nemesis. If I had to rank them. You'll be hard pressed though to find any ST fan that won't rank First Contact as their favorite TNG film.

Wahhhhhh

Insurrection is awful bad, it's just like a mediocre episode stretched to two hours. Generations is weird bad. Nemesis is stupid bad. First Contact is pretty cool, but when you turn a critical eye on it, certain parts of it are sorta flaky.

That guy who did the AotC review on YouTube did some for these movies, they're pretty funny and interesting.

I need to watch my TNG BDs I got for Christmas last year that I haven't even opened... Got those and the TOS BD set. Rewatched all the TOS movies, but haven't touched the TNG set yet. The first movie is hilarious to watch at 1080p, mostly because it wasn't really touched up any to look better in HD, so things like matte shots really stand out. There's also a hilariously bad shot of one of the shuttles where you see a black and white shot of Kirk and Scotty that is just composited directly onto the windshield of the shuttle model.

I never got into Star Trek, and have all of the seasons from all of the different iterations in my netflix queue but I just can't bring myself to order them. I feel like I've watched so many shows that derived their plots from Star Trek that it'd feel like old grounds even though it was the original. Kind of how if you haven't read LotR by now, it seems awful par for the course. I know I'd love all the philosophical masturbating though. Bah, eventually when I'm in the mood.

I definitely get what your saying. Watch it in small parts on occasion, an episode here an episode there. Maybe you'll find small nuances that keep you intrigued.

I have to say Data's Day was probably my favorite TNG episode.

What I mean is, the way Picard gets emotional, his being denied to lead the fleet, and the pre-hugh borg. All of these things make absolutely no sense if the movie takes place post- "All Good Things".

To my knowledge, there's no real mention of the Borg (aside from the Hugh and Lore episodes) after "The Best of Both Worlds" in TNG, so it's easy to believe that the Borg do touch an emotional side of Picard (he gets pretty worked up when dealing with Hugh as an individual even, and in the movie, he only explodes after being pushed). The events concerning Lore seem to have only altered a small portion of Borg that had been separated, so that's not an issue, and as for leading a fleet, it's probably a combination of Borg-specific issues (which was brought up in the movie) and political crap in the Federation, which was cropping up around that time in the Star Trek universe. The only potential wrench First Contact throws is establishing the idea of a "queen" who was retconned in "The Best of Both Worlds" and which Voyager tried to reconcile.

Also, happydud, some of us did like Enterprise, and it was a bit dick-ish of you to have spoiled the series, even if "everyone" considers it garbage.

I think you guys will appreciate this more than me;

http://www.slightlywarped.com/crapfactory/curiosities/2010/rare_star_trek_the_next_generation_pictures.htm

That was awesome, thanks for sharing. They're sets were so ****ing cool. I miss when movies/shows actually used real sets instead of never ending green screen.