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California has banned 100 watt light bulbs
2011-01-05, 3:45 PM #81
Originally posted by Dash_rendar:
If you have a close call, and somebody is on the phone, you'd be foolish to instantly blame the fact that they were on the phone. Correlation does not imply causality, but you knew that, right?

I don't think you understand what correlation and causation mean. In every study ever done on cell phone use while driving, the results show a significant decrease in ability to watch the road and control the vehicle. The chances of someone getting into an accident while being on the phone and it NOT being the fault of playing with the phone are incredibly low.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2011-01-05, 3:45 PM #82
Don't bother coming to WA; they don't need to drive around looking for smoke, the democrats next door call the police when you light the first match.
2011-01-05, 4:11 PM #83
Originally posted by Emon:
I don't think you understand what correlation and causation mean. In every study ever done on cell phone use while driving, the results show a significant decrease in ability to watch the road and control the vehicle. The chances of someone getting into an accident while being on the phone and it NOT being the fault of playing with the phone are incredibly low.


Mythbusters did a test on this. They tested talking on a cell phone, which IMO is even less distracting than texting. They found that it impaired driving about as much as being drunk and driving. That's pretty bad.
2011-01-05, 4:18 PM #84
Originally posted by Dash_rendar:
And while we're at it, the Bay Area Air Quality Management District (CARB isn't enough for us in the Bay Area) has declared tomorrow a winter spare the air day. That mean's it's illegal to burn wood or anything else in your fireplace and they will drive around looking for smoke in chimneys and warning/ticketing people who do not comply. I hope I can get the hell out of here soon.


Wait wait wait wait wait

Wood is carbon neutral and renewable

If you can't burn wood for heat then you'll be using a non-renewable resource instead.

D:

Who the **** made that law?
Stuff
2011-01-05, 4:36 PM #85
Originally posted by Ford:
i dont see why you would even need to do that. i dont think i've seen a car manufactured in the last 20 years that doesnt have a clock in it...

its possible they exist, but i dont think they are all that common anymore.


My car only has an analog clock in it. So what if I was feeling particularly dumb and forgot how to read an analog clock, so I checked my phone? :P
2011-01-05, 6:19 PM #86
My '00 Trans Am has a common problem where solder joints fail on the display board, basically due to cracks from changes in temperature. Anyway, occasionally the display will freeze or become garbled and look like it's Aurebesh. When that happens I tend to look at my cell phone to get the time.

The scary thing is that it is reasonable to infer that those who make the "point" that nobody needs to look at their cell phone to get the time must consider it reasonable to punish people that do.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2011-01-05, 7:01 PM #87
Originally posted by Emon:
I don't think you understand what correlation and causation mean. In every study ever done on cell phone use while driving, the results show a significant decrease in ability to watch the road and control the vehicle.


I do understand what it means. Just because the person is driving bad and they are on the phone does not mean the cause of their bad driving was the phone. Are you refuting this?

I don't doubt that you can show phone use causes a distraction. We've always had distractions and banning cell phone use is completely arbitrary and has NOT decreased accidents. The ban is useless. Keep the texting ban (good luck enforcing it) but let me hold a phone to my ear if I choose.

Quote:
The chances of someone getting into an accident while being on the phone and it NOT being the fault of playing with the phone are incredibly low.


I really don't see how this can be shown...
2011-01-05, 7:04 PM #88
Originally posted by Dash_rendar:
I do understand what it means. Just because the person is driving bad and they are on the phone does not mean the cause of their bad driving was the phone. Are you refuting this?

It is most likely the cause. If the claim that being on the phone causes a distraction equivalent to intoxication, it's unlikely that any other distraction caused the problem. What you're saying basically amounts to, "hey, that guy is covered in blue paint. But just because he was holding a bucket of blue paint over his head 30 seconds ago DOESN'T MEAN that's where the paint came from!"

Originally posted by Dash_rendar:
We've always had distractions and banning cell phone use is completely arbitrary and has NOT decreased accidents.

I've no idea if it does or not, but you seem certain, so how about some kind of citation for this?
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2011-01-05, 7:13 PM #89
http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr012910.html
2011-01-05, 7:24 PM #90
Originally posted by Emon:
It is most likely the cause. If the claim that being on the phone causes a distraction equivalent to intoxication, it's unlikely that any other distraction caused the problem. What you're saying basically amounts to, "hey, that guy is covered in blue paint. But just because he was holding a bucket of blue paint over his head 30 seconds ago DOESN'T MEAN that's where the paint came from!"


I wouldn't say it's "most likely" the cause. Possibly the cause, of course. But there are way to many incidents that don't involve cell phones to immediately attribute the cell phone as the cause of all incidents that do involve a person looking at a phone or holding it to the side of their head.
2011-01-05, 7:34 PM #91
You give people way too much credit.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2011-01-05, 7:40 PM #92
edit: nm
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
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