Everytime I see someone try to Rick Roll people on another forum, it just makes me cringe with embarassment. It's ****ing old already. So ****ING OLD. It just isn't cool anymore. It's like TF2, only hipsters and scene kids think its cool. I hate hipsters and scene kids.

When Rick Rolling was first cool, I got my very young physics teacher in high school to force the DJ at a school dance to play the song/music video during the dance. We laughed so hard because nobody knew what was going on, and a **** load of people left, the others just stood there awkwardly. THATS funny. Only me and him and a few other people understood it.

Now, kids tell me stories like "LOL, THEY PLAYED RICK ASTLEY, EVERYBODY STARTED LOLING AND DANCING IT WAS SO MUCH FUN"

No. Stop it. It wasn't suppose to be fun. It was old after 1 month.

I'm so ****ing pissed about this right now if you can't tell.

Couchman Rickroll'd people before it was mainstream.

LOL did you just tl;dr me? You just destroyed the dramatic build up of the protagonist against the complications he met along the way.

Hipsters like things before everyone else thinks it's cool. That's when they go "Oh I liked that before it was cool." Summary: You are being a hipster about a youtube video.

Sorry, I see your logic but I didn't explain adequetly. Hipsters like everything that is subculture to purposely set themselves as different and not apart of "the system". What I was getting at is that hipsters like that retarded video, even though it IS mainstream even thought they think it isn't. Just like TF2. **** TF2. Especially the hats.

Ugh, I know what you mean. There's a good blog post about it.

HAHA naturally I read the title before the video started, but I still laughed.

Jon`C once again demonstrates intellect. Now if he had posted this, in say 2 months time, I would've rolled my eyes and been embarassed for him.

This is still fresh guys, enjoy while its fresh.

What did TF2 and hats ever do to you? Did they steal your girlfriend?

Ive been to Williamsburg, I know what hipsters are

Nope, but they are probably funding L4D3. The first two I disliked greatly, despite every person I know who isn't a gamer that has played them really liked them. Soooo many kids like L4D and TF2..

But when I ask if they like Half-Life (a natural question am I right?) They almost ALWAYS answer: "I've never heard of that"

What the ****.

So what?

tf2 hats murdered my family

NEVER FORGET

people don't know of one the things I like
this makes me angry for no real reason

god damn

I got rickrolld by a grocery store the other day.

that sure is a lot of words about rick rolling

god damn indeed

Screw you people bustin' on hipsters, I loved Scott Pilgrim vs. the World!!!

I HATE EVERYTHING!

Rick rolling has pretty much always been retarded.
You think it's one thing, but it's actually not that but instead this guy singing....
Hilarious -_-

And no, I'm not being hipster, I'm being me, this is my actual opinion of Rick rolling.

The Onion was right!

I hated the music in Scott pilgrim... HATED IT!!!!!!

A rickroll would have really improved Scott Pilgrim. Also, ironically, I hated Scott Pilgrim before it was cool.

-Also, I myself am infamously easy to amuse, so I still like the rickroll. If nothing else, it's a damn catchy song.

Naturally Valve is making some money on the hats, yes, but a significant portion actually goes to the people who contributed those hats via the development program.

In addition, they've been running a hat sale where all proceeds from buying the hats in the sale goes to the Japan Red Cross; a charity drive that has already raised $300,000.

HATS ARE SO EVIL, FIGHT THE MAN, DUDE.

Naturally Valve is making some money on the hats, yes, but a significant portion actually goes to the people who contributed those hats via the development program. Besides, TF2 has had a significant number of content updates, adding new game modes, maps, hundreds of lines of dialogue, weapons, quality improvements, etc. So what if they sell meaningless hats that help pay those developers?

In addition, they've been running a hat sale where all proceeds from buying the hats in the sale goes to the Japan Red Cross; a charity drive that has already raised $300,000.

HATS ARE SO EVIL, FIGHT THE MAN, DUDE.

Personally I just don't get the hate of new players who haven't heard of old games.
Couchman, face it dude, you're old.
There will be plenty of young teenagers playing that were only 6+ when HL2 came out.

I'm not upset that they haven't played it, I'm upset that they haven't HEARD of it, which is what I posted. It's like saying I'm an expert in ID games, yet I've only played Doom 3 and Quake Wars, yet I've never heard of Wolfenstein 3D.

When I bought Call of Duty Black Ops for my Dad, the guy who sold me the game was probably about 27. I told him I wanted to buy "CoD7". He asked me what that was, and then was like "Ohh, you mean BO?" i said yes. He then went on to tell me how Call of Duty was his favorite series of all time, and was the best FPS series ever. I told him I liked 1 and 2 but lost interest quickly after that. He told me he had never seen them, and had only played MW2 and BO.

^ What? Hes an expert who declares it the best FPS series of all time, but has only played the editions that are apart of a milked franchise at that point? These are the people that I am talking about.

It's like someone saying "I love Star Wars, it is the best saga of all time, I'm soooo into Star Wars." Then they say after I ask them about how the prequels suck compared to the originals: "What, there is an original trilogy? Those are old and probably aren't cool anymore so **** it."

Yeah, they are almost certainly not claiming to be experts. You are almost certainly projecting or inferring that attitude based on their enthusiasm for games.

Why are you so full of hate and bile? Find something better to do.

Man, hatin' on people who like things that are popular is so mainstream now, I hate people like that.

Yeah, who really cares? It's like saying that transistor radios are the best radio ever, and me bashing you for not having heard of vacuum tube radios. It's stupid and exceptionally hipster-y, and this attitude is precisely what annoys me about the majority of hipsters.

HATERS GONNA HATE

That's also what I posted.

What? All you said was you was about kids that like L4D and TF2 not knowing about Half Life....

As someone who has worked in gamestores for just under a decade, working with many different staff, I highly doubt it =p

That is a little strange, yes, but not THAT unusual in game series' that have been around so long. I know people that rhapsodise about the Civ 4 and 5, but never got an opportunity to play the originals, and probably wouldn't like them anyway.

Oh man are you going to be PISSED when you hear about how many kids/teens prefer the new trilogy....

I'm afraid Lord Virus makes a really good point, originally I was on your side (still am about the whole rick roll thing) but you are definitely sounding like a hipster now...

See I disagree, I'm tired of hearing about that *****.

Anyway, for those interested look up "Black metal friday" Great cover of that song.

For the record, Half-Life bites.

The 27-year-old probably worked at a chain game store, neh?
It's his job to be able to give at least a vague positive opinion about what he's selling to you. There are only two varieties of people who get hired by game stores: attractive females and moderately game-savvy males.
It's not particularly reasonable to expect him to study and obsess over games he doesn't play... after all, he's just doing his job, and probably not making very good wages for it anyway.

Furthermore, it's unreasonable to get upset at somebody for not being a specialist and historian at something in which they have only recently gained interest (recently in terms of the history of the topic, not in terms of the individual's personal history).
Heck, it's unreasonable to get upset at somebody for not knowing the fine details of things they take for granted.
Everybody I know in person lives in some variety of house or apartment, but I can count on one hand the number of those people outside architecture school who know what a soffit or a cripple stud is.
They see soffits every day, but why would they bother looking up what it's called?
It's good enough for them that when they go indoors, they aren't standing in the rain anymore. Specialist details don't even register to them as having importance.

Maybe when somebody plays a game, they're just playing to enjoy it, and that's enough for them. Maybe you're specialist enough at it to care about those details and the topic history, but for the "layperson gamer", it's more than sufficient that the game works on their game system.
When you get upset about it, it's entirely a problem of your own perceptions, and it's not a flaw on the part of the layperson gamer.

In summary: the game store guy isn't an expert, and most people are content enough not to want or need to be experts. You, as specialist enough to care, are the exception to the rule, and any perceived problems are entirely your own invention; this is a psychologically elitist action, and you use it to feel superior to the mainstream layperson gamer. It's not a way to make friends, influence people, or win sympathy to your views.


As for Rickrolling... I enjoy the song itself, especially the darkly entertaining mashup with Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit". When I'm Rickrolled, I enjoy the chance to hear the song again, since I haven't heard it on radio ever since Rickrolling became popular.
I have a tendency in moments of idleness, I've Rickrolled Free in realtime, whistling, humming, or singing Astley's song. In another forum I frequent, I've generated a small trend of "Whit-rolling", in which the user posts school research papers written about Walt Whitman into completely unrelated threads, derailing them with TL;DR.
I think of Rickrolling as the great leveler on the Internet: nobody is immune to it, unless they happen to be both blind and deaf, which would naturally defeat the purpose of accessing the Internet. It's integral to Internet subculture, and total newbs and digital veterans alike can appreciate this commonality, which simply doesn't exist in the newest memes (which are newb-exclusive and annoying to old-timers) and the oldest coder-memes (reserved for code jockeys and basement-dwellers, a foreign tongue to the modern teen-ager).


...but deconstructing OP rants is so last decade, so let's act like this post never happened, eh? ^_^

EDIT: Ooop, ninja'd by Deadman.

Ha!!!

But you worded it much better.

Thank you.
I'd considered the line-by-line breakdown style you used, but frankly I prefer paragraphical structure, the classic approach, if a bit more mainstream.

Why do I get the feeling this thread is about to devolve into a game of "that thing you did three posts ago? I liked it before it was popular. Yeah."

Oh the breakdown thing is something I picked up from massassi, probably Jon`C... he's our most famous and infamous debater.
I (think I) do the paragraphical reply more, but this time the situation seemed to call for the breakdown.
Either way I think yours comes across as more thought out and less hostile (the breakdown tends to automatically imply hostility, and I tend to sound it a lot in debate even when I don't mean to).
Besides, my response is so old and uncool now.

You know what isn't old and uncool?
Fr33's M0m.
(No, seriously... I know her in person. She's fantastically funny. :D)

Freeonsay.

#1. Never liked Rick Rollin', the premise of it specifically, not the song (although I do think the song is starting to get annoying now that it's everywhere). I actually think it's kind of an asinine move and rather childish. It's like a stupid kid's joke. "Oh! I duped you! HA HA! Dur dur..." Yeah, great way to lose trust & credability with anyone who knows you. Good luck having any sort of close meaningful relationship with any of your friends. Have a great life and don't talk to me ever again.

#2. People playing the latest game, watching the latest movies, or reading the latest books in a series and not taking care to play, watch, or read the originals in those series respectively will always be around; and they will always have their criticisms about it. Such is life. Get used to it. Do you think people who are too young to have watched a long running TV series from the from the begining are going to go back and do it? TV on DVD does allow some shows (though effort is involved still)... However, my examples in particular are soap operas and Dr. Who. The entire series is huge. People just jump in and go forward from there. When Goldeneye the movie came out do you think that the people claming it to be one of the best Bond films, without having seen but a few of the older films, were wrong? It was an entire generation's introduction to a long running franchise. You could even go as far as to use Massassi's own Neverending Story. How long is it now? Does anyone care to go back and read every last post before starting to read, or write, a new one? Most people the answer is no.

#3. To make a claim for a franchise to be great, you don't have to know everything about the franchise. Besides being an opinion, and therefore not right or wrong conclusively, you can have experience with only some of the best parts of a franchise to base that opinion off of. Goldeneye is an example. It still remains one of the great ones and does still stand up to time, unlike some of its predecessors. Call of Duty did have some bad ones too. Not a lot of people like Big Red One. I remember when the series came out and it has come a long way. The first few I wasn't particularly fond of. The last bunch is some of the best. The reverse could be true as well. There are many that feel the Halo franchise has actually gone downhill since the third installment. If the latest games aren't all that great, and someone claims it to be a great franchise, does it make it true or not? It's an opinion. They could be reffering to the earlier games only.

If someone said something bad about a series you enjoy, without having experience with the whole series like you have, who cares? They are the ones missing out. Don't bother yourself over it. Also, if someone likes a series that you enjoy, again without having experienced everything from that franchise, why does it matter? They still enjoy the same series you like. Why be fussy about the smaller details? They like it for what they like it, as you do. You have a common ground with the latter at least, use it... Don't be burning bridges over the stupid stuff.