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That is one of the most poorly written articles I have ever come across, but you'll get the idea. Its quite tragic.

Insanity

jesus

Yeah, so Amy Winehouse's death has already overtaken this story on the news it seems.

WTF

This article is written better, and was the original one I read. I've got friends up there that sent notices as soon as it hit their local news.

Another crackhead dies, woohoo.

He killed 85 people and is facing charges that could give him a maximum of 21 years in prison?

I think that's for the terrorism charges for the bomb.

21 years is the maximum sentence in Norway.

I bet that law will change in 21 years.

I've read that this sentence can be extended pretty much indefinitely, five years at a time, for someone who's considered an ongoing danger. Do you know if that's right?

Quote from a Norwegian on another forum:

I've read a good bit about this story and it makes me wanna throw up. This guy straight up went around executing kids. It should never have taken 90 minutes to stop him. WTF!

Well, that's the Nordic countries for you.

When I first heard that a bomb had exploded outside the Oil Ministry of Norway*, I chuckled a bit but I got quite angry after hearing about the massacre on the island. Sickening.

* = fine, it's not really called that but that's basically what it is

He was on an island and probably planned the bombing as a diversion.

Sick but... brilliant terrorism planning. He picked quite possibly the softest target in the world.

hopfeully, this will inspire education and youth centers around the world to rethink their security. And not by banning guns on campus, because I really don't see that helping. The information about this little island seems conflicted, but I imagine there were no law enforcement nearby, making the 90 minute response time an unfortunate reality. Unrelated, I've heard rumours of initial backlash (albiet mild) in some areas (not of Norway) against muslims. Are there really people who think terrorist always =muslim?

Did some looking, not only were people asked to stay off the line unless they were about the Oslo bombing, but the SWAT did not have a helicopter to reach the island. Apparantly they had already identified that problem. Additionally, it seems that one of the victims was an unarmed plainclothes peace officer.

Also, do all Scandanavians have professional headshots and model portfolios, or just the nutjobs?

A Muslim terrorist group falsely took responsibility for the attack shortly after the bombing and several news agencies reported it. I'm not surprised if some people are still confused.

Ah I see. That is somewhat less frustrating

video posted by him, full of crazy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLk1zv6u7_Q&feature=player_embedded&skipcontrinter=1

As I understand the latest info on this is that an American "terrorism expert" (note that I'm not attacking his credibility of which I am too ignorant to make a judgement, it's in quotes because I'm citing someone) suspected Islamists, but withdrew that statement as the facts started piling on. Some news agencies falsely reported this American's speculation as statements from an Islamist terrorist group.

I'm going out on a limb and guessing this island camp was probably some kind of "gun free zone"



This. Google image this guy!

i'm not sure about that. my understanding of it was that a... journalist? "terrorism expert?" (note that I'm not attacking his credibility, i just don't know what his occupation is) who has access to a jihadi internet forum called Shmukh (lol... i wonder if they've got a Camhoez thread) said that a group called Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami (Helpers of Global Jihad) initially took responsibility for the attack, but shortly thereafter retracted their claim.

anyway, here's the alleged claim of responsibility from Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami (which was retracted by the same individual who posted the claim):
[RIGHT]الحمد لله ناصر عباده الموحدين ومذل اهل الشرك والكفر اجمعين والصلاة والسلام على نبينا محمد خاتم النبيين وعلى اله وصحبه اجمعين وبعد
قال تعالى : (فَقَاتِلْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ لاَ تُكَلَّفُ إِلاَّ نَفْسَكَ وَحَرِّضِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ عَسَى اللّهُ أَن يَكُفَّ بَأْسَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ وَاللّهُ أَشَدُّ بَأْساً وَأَشَدُّ تَنكِيلاً) [النساء : 84]
فها قد وصلت دول اوروبا رسالة اخرى من المجاهدين واثبات اخر لدول اوربا ان المجاهدين لن يقفوا مكتوفي الايدي تجاه حربهم ضد الاسلام والمسلمين.
واليوم قد تم استهداف النرويج لتكون درسا وعبرة لباقي دول اوروبا وقد سبق ان هددنا منذ غزوة ستوكهولم بمزيد من العمليات وقد طالبنا دول اوروبا بسحب جيوشها من ارض افغانستان وايقاف حربها ضد الاسلام والمسلمين ونكرر تحذيرنا مجددا لدول اوروبا ونقول لهم نفذوا مطالب المجاهدين فما ترونه ليس سوى البداية والقادم اكثر من ذلك.
اما عن اسباب استهداف النرويج فهي كثيرة اهمها مشاركتها في احتلال افغانستان والاساءة لنبينا الكريم محمد(صلى الله عليه وسلم).
فالحمد لله ان مكن لعباده الموحدين ..وندعو الله ان يحفظ اخواننا ومجاهدينا في كل مكان.
سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك اشهد ان لا اله الا انت استغرك واتوب اليك.[/RIGHT]ابو سليمان الناصر
من انصار الجهاد العالم

apparently the original thread this statement appeared on doesn't exist anymore, but it's pretty clear now that it was a false claim, anyway.

I've been chilling on the beach in Montalivet with no internet access or television but I did manage to find an English newspaper (The Times) that stated that this island was a summer camp "owned" by the ruling Labor Party & is where the "elite" of said party send their children to network with potential future politicians of said party.

These kids were 15-16. Their networking probably consisted of drunken night swimming and first times.

I had no idea that the value of a human life is based on the population size of the country in which they live. Thanks, Bloomberg!

Future article: Man murdered in the Falkland Islands; Bloomberg considers it equivalent to a thermonuclear bomb ripping through Shanghai.

Only 0.001% of the United States population died in the 9/11 attacks. According to Bloomberg that's like someone in Monaco getting a papercut. Who gives a ****?

Not the victims.

Because they are dead.

But thanks to this 'debt crisis', 9/11 might still destroy us. I bet Osama wished he'd lived to see it.

No, man, didn't you hear? Multiculturalism is what's destroying us!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/26/bill-oreilly-media-breivik-christian_n_909498.html



Bill O'Reilly, the world authority on the subject of "dishonest and insane."

This is both hilarious and disgusting.

Glenn Beck compares the political camp on Utoya to the Hitler Jugend and goes on to more or less say that the killer is one of those people in favour of 'big government'.

Beck starts talking at about 1:30

What's with the sound effects?

No idea. Couldn't find a better clip... The second thing he said isn't even in this video. I read it in a news report actually.

It's good to know that, no matter what happens, American journalists will always be crass, vain, and incorrigible.

By the way, Glenn Beck didn't mean to offend anybody with his comments. Beck is a huge fan of Adolf Hitler and his work, which is why he runs similar youth programs in the United States (through the 9/12 Project.) As we all know from discussions on this forum, Tea Party members often have a hard time containing their enthusiasm for National Socialism.

Jon`C, I will need to ask a favor of you. I will need you to provide a few factual statements in support of the opposite of what you're proposing. Wookie has emailed me with concerns that no one here is now qualified to provide good facts and argue with you on such topics. Thanks in advance!

Beck knows his audience, and knows they're the type to idolize Anders Breivik for killing liberals and Muslims.



The funny part is that if Wookie had ever been capable of doing that himself, he might still be here.

I'm not sure how this situation has changed, but sure.

Remarks about American journalism: Subjective.

The existence of Glenn Beck's youth programs: The burden of proof is on the positive claim, and the evidence given is Glenn Beck's founding of the 9/12 Project (the trivial counter-argument cannot be made because it is impossible to prove a negative, so the argument will be accepted as given.) Note that youth political movements are extremely common throughout the world: in addition to other non-affiliated Tea Party youth activities (such as the Tea Party Summer Camp recently held in Florida,) there have been events hosted by democratic groups (including Obama's presidential campaign) and by political organizations in virtually every other country. It is not immediately apparent whether or not Glenn Beck personally organized the 9/12 Project's youth events, and if Beck's revulsion is genuine it is reasonable to conclude that he is not in fact the leader of the United States branch of the Hitler Youth.

Tea Party and National Socialism: The Tea Party movement overtly disapproves of economic interventionism, which means it is not [entirely] fascist.

I was being funny, Jon`C. Although he did express that concern.

The guy hates muslims, so he kills a bunch of kids who aren't muslims. No, firefox, I will not capitalize 'muslims'. Or 'firefox'. Stop underlining it in red.

He killed the butterflies to save the spiders until he realized he had become... no, that doesn't work. :|