no you get there by being ****ing insane about your money, how its made where its spent how its taxed how you can avoid those taxes, where you can go to avoid them and maximize your profits, figuring out how to produce a cheap product for low costs and charging ridiculous amounts for it.

that really sound like the type of guy that goes... gee... i guess i should stick around here and pay my fair share...

and i was not even commenting on america not having "public" run health care. good god! you all are like a bunch or rabid gophers sitting around just beneath the surface just PRAYING that some thing will be unfortunate enough to accidentally step into your hole so you can gnaw its god damn ankles off! i swear! and then you would all rush out of the hole in the ground with sharpened little sticks and poke at it whilst chanting "OHHO!!! it sucks to be you now! DOESNT IT!!!??? you uncivilised trollop! how DARE you step into our hole!" CHRIST ALMIGHTY!!!

anyways. i was just saying that those two statements seemed to contradict each other a little.

Yeah, and that's why you're not rich.

If a CEO is forced to work for 200 times the income of an average American, instead of 400 times, do you know what they're going to do? They're going to work, because 200 times the income of an average American is still more money than nothing.

Nobody ever got rich by turning their nose up on potential profits.

If a CEO making 10 million a year is taxed 90%, he's still making a goddamn million dollars a year.
And nobody is even trying for that type of tax (although a decade long build up might work) they're advocating an extra 5 or 10 percent.

I could hardly believe it when I first found out Americans don't have healthcare, it blew my mind to hear people were opposed to getting it in.

You seem to be under the impression they can't make money anywhere else. That's ridiculous.

Rich people get rich by doing everything can to make the most money, maximizing profits.

Where? Everywhere else is taxed as high, if not higher.

People are bit "stickier" than that and you seem to be under the impression that the billionaire needs to move. Tax havenry and secrecy jurisdictions frequently mean that the billions can fairly easily take flight on their own without the billionaire moving a foot. Not that it changes the impact on govt. revenue either way.

Because 30 million people don't.

But don't you already think there are enough people on this planet, and Americans are the worst (myself included).. If 30 million of them would just die off we'd probably be in a better place. Just sayin'

Yes I'm sure they will find plenty of business.
In Monaco.
Right.
The money is in America and that's where they'll stay until it isn't, a 5% tax increase isn't going to force them all out.

What in the hell are you talking about, make some goddamn sense and punctuate your posts or get out.

i was just saying that those two statements seemed to contradict each other a little.

Ok, serious question. If you formally renounce your U.S. citizenship are you still required to file in the U.S.?

I like how Jon`C pretends to know all of US tax law. I'm sure there are ZERO loopholes or exceptions or other methods for doing this.

I like how Jon`C pretends to know all of US tax law. I'm sure there are ZERO loopholes or exceptions or other methods for doing this. Anyway, I don't care enough to really find out, so if you think that won't happen, come over here, get citizenship, and start voting.

A loophole allowing people to quit the U.S. and take all their unrealized gains with them tax-free? No, I don't think anyone's lobbied for that one yet.

The rich people are stuck in the US because the IRS has them by the balls. If you're seriously worried about a CEO throwing a hissy fit and retiring to Monaco, I really don't know what to tell you.