Yeah, I don't see how what you described could even be called a PUA, unless they're just making that **** up.

yeah, these guys aren't PUAs.

Yet they represent the core membership of /r/seduction/

They could be the core membership of /r/spacedicks, still doesn't make that description one of PUAs.

Or perhaps the definition keeps evolving as different people join and leave the 'community'.

The "seduction community" was founded on neuro-linguistic programming so I'm pretty sure it's just the redditors who are using the term wrong. But good for them, whatever helps stamp out the cockroaches.

The core members of seddit are acronym heavy creepists.

All you need to know.

The acronym stuff is quite distasteful to me too, especially all that HB8 and F-Close nonsense. But if you've lurked in that community as long as I have, you'll notice that the general trend is towards general self-improvement and away from easy lays and showing off. And really, every community has their own dialect. the HB0-10 stuff is the main thing I really find offensive because it categorises women based on their relative (and subjective) attractiveness, and in my opinion totally misses the point - it shifts everything back to being goal rather than journey-oriented.

Christ, these videos are dumb.

Yeah they are ****ing embarrassing. I feel like a douche just watching them. I don't know what their general line is, Couchfella, but when I see him touching some girl on the shoulder and saying something like 'do you want to be in a porn movie themed after Harry Potter' I want to die.

It's like, yeah, you could probably pull this off, but why would you want to?

Women crave attention. That is why most of them I see have their boobs hanging out of their shirt and wear the tightest spandex pants possible to make that badonkadonk look nice. I'm sure advertising and media, and culture plays a huge role in the choices they make about dress and actions, but isn't it there choice in the end?

I do realize they're are places people are looking to meet strangers. Bars/Clubs for example. However, well I imagine those may have previously been appropriate and logical places to go, now 99% of the girls you are going to meet there are drunk/trashy girls looking for a quick night of sex. The most romantic encounter I had at a bar was a woman almost collapsing on me, before grabbing my ass and telling me she loved me before he friends dragged her outside to leave and apologized to me. No thank you, not what I am looking for.

But I am curious to see what you think are appropriate places to meet strangers (who are strangers worth meeting, not drunk sluts). I would sincerely consider them and you may convince me to seek them out instead of the everyday world.

But CM don't get me wrong I am fully aware that there are location limits to where I would talk up a girl.

I like to read, but I certainly understand why going to a library is rude and an inappropriate place to find a girl, even though a logical one.

Hahaha holy ****, what a gross simplification of things. Why do you think that's to look good for men? Women wear low cut shirts because they're comfortable, dumbass.

Get it through your thick skull: women are not there to be hit on. There are not there for you to look at. They are free to dress how they like, act how they like, say what they want, do what they want, and it's not for you. Even if women are dressing a certain way to make themselves look nice, doesn't mean it's because they want attention or are trying to impress men. Some people like to look nice for their own reasons. But that never occurred to you, did it?

You are just disgusting.

I'm not going to bother trying to find the source, but I seem to remember reading that a survey of women revealed that when they dress up, it's usually for their female friends, not for guys. Peer pressure and all that. I find the idea of that amusing.

I used to read pickup. I got a lot from it, but mostly used it to develop my own social "method"...one that was congruent with MY OWN personality and style which is pretty unique (who's isnt?). I don't do "cold approaches" and run "openers" because I see guys doing that at bars on a nightly basis and it's really embarrassing. It's become so mainstream that everybody around, including the girls he's running his bull**** on, knows what's going on. They make guys like me look that much better.

Detty gets it. 2 years ago I was a total introvert socially awkward engineering student who looked the part, and I didn't know how to make my nerdyness cool. Now I fish for eye contact from every person I come across and if I get it, I smile. And I mean every person, be it a 22 yr old jaw dropper or an 80 yr old man. If I get the eye contact, I smile. If I get a smile back, I say hi. 19 times out of 20 that's it. But even getting more than that from 1 out of 20 people you can still get a lot of conversations with people. Keep in mind i'm not talking about picking up girls i'm talking about talking to other humans in general. The goal is to engage the 22 yr old jaw dropper as if she was no different than the 80 yr old man.

Once I got comfortable with this I started doing it in more social situations like at bars and parties. I used to (still do?) walk into a bar alone and look for a guy sitting at the bar alone. Sit next to him and bull****. Bull**** with girls the same way. The most important thing to do is HAVE FUN. Don't try to look like you're having fun, ACTUALLY BE HAVING FUN. If you're having fun without a care, as well as doing the above, and have the slightest bit of self respect regarding your appearance and hygiene, girls will come to you.

I don't agree. A large portion of women are putting themselves out there to get some action. They won't look for action with just anybody though, you do need to "flip certain switches" as they say. They won't admit it, and maybe they don't even know it. But it's true....it's primal.

And how exactly do you know that? Because you can walk down the street, see someone who is oh just obviously doing it for attention? Hint to you guys: you aren't nearly as smart and perceptive as you think you are. You don't have any answers and you don't have it all figured out. There are always people looking for attention, sure, but you can't take your limited anecdotes and extrapolate to "a large portion of women."


"Women may not understand themselves and why they act like they do, but I do!"

The arrogance on show in this thread is astounding.

Yeah, they're just asking for it by dressing that way, amirite?

It's equally arrogant to assume they're not looking for attention. The best bet is to talk to them and find out, worst (realistic) outcome is that you momentarily annoy someone.

It's not equally arrogant. Assuming that they are *not* doing something for your benefit?

Holy **** I hope you have a daughter.



Uh.... I meet people when I do interesting things without the intention of meeting interesting people. I end up in an awkward moment of silence around someone I don't know, I ask them anything about anything to make small talk, and I find out they're crazy, awesome, somehow related to me or a friend, or they're like CM and they don't want anything to do with strangers.

I can't even imagine how horrible it must be to go out deliberately seeking awkward moments with strangers instead of experiencing them throughout a natural day. Stop worrying what people think about you and just go do something you really enjoy doing but never have in public because you're worried about what people will think, and you'll almost certainly meet someone in your wheelhouse.

I mean assuming someone's intentions just based on how they dress. If you're thinking much beyond "she looks nice, and she dresses well", you're already over-thinking it.

I actually misspoke because I mistakenly thought Emon was simply saying it's arrogant to assume a woman is looking to get hit on. What I meant in that case was that any time you let an uninformed assessment of someone else's thoughts dictate how you behave towards them, you're displaying some degree of arrogance. It's a hard line to draw, because some people are genuinely better at reading people than others, so if they assess someone and act accordingly it might not actually be arrogant.

Really we're turning a very grey continuum of behaviours into absolutes of right and wrong. Can we not just agree that there's nothing wrong with hitting on girls, some girls want to be hit on whilst others don't, and everyone should just aim to not be a manipulative douchebag. People are going to misstep and make mistakes, sometimes people will get hurt. But I think we're all capable of knowing when we've crossed a line and are able to use that to avoid doing it again.

You'd think so, but then you read:

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Makes sense, Det. I guess I was saying that making an assumption about someone that doesn't flatter or favor you doesn't seem arrogant to me, and I guess you were just saying that putting thoughts in someone's mind, so to speak, is presumptuous regardless?

Man, being bisexual really makes things easier, I guess.

-If you can address a woman in a social situation without a hint of romantic interest and she reciprocates with romantic interest, then you're doing it right.

women are terrible, and so are the people that try pickup artist **** like this...

goddamn

This sums up my feelings quite well. This is just utter trash and humanity is that little bit worse for their existence.

Well, page 2 is making my toes curl.

This is very true.

Oh Baconfish don't tease me bro

Also Deadman, maybe you're being a bit dramatic?

Also true, and an interesting thought.

Oh, one thing I learned the hard way: if you're in a foreign country, and want to talk to a girl, do not come up to her and ask, "Do you speak English?" After doing this a few times I realized that this is actually such a stupid question that I felt embarrassed for myself in retrospect. And rightly so.

On a slightly different note, I've been to a concert yesterday (G3 -- was fantastic, btw), and there was this pretty girl next to me with her boyfriend. The boyfriend stood behind her, girl in front. For almost the entire first hour this girl would "accidentally" touch my hand, rub against me, look at me, etc. I responded in kind because why not, but apparently the guy got pretty frustrated (or so my friends told me, didn't really look at him much). Yeah. A woman touched my hand. You better believe it. I might contribute something of actual value to this thread at a later time, but don't hold it against me if it's just going to be more photos of llamas.

This thread would be five million times better if it was just about pictures of llamas.

No. EVERYONE likes attention, save certain people with physiological disorders. Guys and girls alike act in a way to draw positive attention to themselves, some to a greater extent than other. Due to sexual asymmetry, males and females do it in different ways. Whether it's wearing a low cut shirt, or talking up your sports skills, nearly everyone is trying to jockey for position among their peers, and garner attention from the opposite sex. Some people just suck at it.

But this thread is about scoring with women, not bestiality.