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2004-01-05, 4:22 PM #1

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I was thinking...

If you put your hand in the water (lets say its 85 degrees F *) and claim that it is hot, is that a statement a fact, an opinion or along the line?

* 29 degrees C for those who don't live in the US and do not use the bloody measurement system we use.

Personally I think its an opinion in a way.

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2004-01-05, 4:25 PM #2

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There is no set-in-stone rule for what is hot and what is cold.

It's a qualitative observation. I guess it could be opinion.

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2004-01-05, 4:49 PM #3

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Thats not exactly hot but...yeah sure whatever.

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2004-01-05, 4:50 PM #4

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But I may think it is hot.

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2004-01-05, 4:53 PM #5

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Opinion. To me, 85 F is warm. Only when you reach 105+ F do I consider it to be hot.

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2004-01-05, 4:55 PM #6

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Hot is relative.

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2004-01-05, 5:00 PM #7

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That is luke-warm.

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2004-01-05, 6:24 PM #8

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I see a flaw. There exists such a thing as absolute zero, the coldest it can get. If I were to say that is cold, how could you say it is an opinion? When there is no temperature below that, how could someone say that is NOT cold?

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2004-01-05, 6:28 PM #9

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Well it depends. If you were measuring surface temperatures on Venus or something 85 degrees would be extremely cool compared to the extreme temperatures on that planet. It's all opinion.

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2004-01-05, 8:49 PM #10

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Quote:

Originally posted by JudgeDredd:
I see a flaw. There exists such a thing as absolute zero, the coldest it can get. If I were to say that is cold, how could you say it is an opinion? When there is no temperature below that, how could someone say that is NOT cold?

People can say a lot of things. That doesn't make it true.

2004-01-05, 9:09 PM #11

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So if a lot of people say when you drop something on Earth it falls to the ground, it's not a fact?

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2004-01-05, 11:28 PM #12

Evil_Giraffe

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Quote:

Originally posted by Evil_Tofu:
So if a lot of people say when you drop something on Earth it falls to the ground, it's not a fact?

No, the fact that people say it falls to the ground does not necessarily make it fact.

2004-01-05, 11:34 PM #13

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It's all opinion. In terms of humans on Earth, the ground statement is true.

As for the hot water question, that one is totally relative. If your hands have just been in cold water, that will seem boiling hot. If your hands have just been in hotter water, it'll seem cool.

85 degrees F is generally regarded as 'kinda warm' if it's just part of you, but if it's your whole body that's pretty cool. Yet another example of relativity.

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2004-01-06, 1:05 AM #14

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Then you need to add the fact that 1,000,000,000 C IS hot. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-01-06, 6:03 AM #15

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temperatures being cold or hot depend on what you're comparing them to. most of the time it's not a fact or opinion, it's a comparison.

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2004-01-06, 6:09 AM #16

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2004-01-06, 6:27 AM #17

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2004-01-06, 6:33 AM #18

kingfu

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well i learned what hot and cold are actully in science it is when the particule(sp) are moveing very fast which sends energy out makeing it see hot...and cold is just the opisite but they are moveing slowly and absolute zero is when they stop compltely.

2004-01-06, 10:45 AM #19

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Quote:

Originally posted by kingfu:
well i learned what hot and cold are actully in science it is when the particule(sp) are moveing very fast which sends energy out makeing it see hot...and cold is just the opisite but they are moveing slowly and absolute zero is when they stop compltely.

That can be defined as heat, which is measured in temperature . [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2004-01-06, 10:50 AM #20

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Yah, but theres not set point where the motion of the particles reaches the point where it is considered "hot". So I'd say it is an opinion.

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2004-01-06, 10:52 AM #21

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It's definitely an opinion. Besides, cold is an absence of heat, but it's definitely not absolute zero, so it's hot no matter what. It's all relative, and therefore an opinion.

2004-01-06, 10:54 AM #22

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Exactly.

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2004-01-06, 11:35 AM #23

kingfu

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Quote:

Originally posted by Echoman:

That can be defined as heat, which is measured in temperature .

ahhh yes oops my bad

2004-01-06, 11:36 AM #24

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Actually, that would be the coldest something can't get, since if something were to reach absolute zero, we had an incorrect perception of absolute zero [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-01-06, 3:51 PM #25

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Quote:

Originally posted by Echoman:
I was thinking...

If you put your hand in the water (lets say its 85 degrees F *) and claim that it is hot, is that a statement a fact, an opinion or along the line?

* 29 degrees C for those who don't live in the US and do not use the bloody measurement system we use.

Personally I think its an opinion in a way.

umm... the U.S is the one behind as it is the only developed country still using farrenheight for ground temperatures.

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2004-01-06, 4:41 PM #26

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But Fahrenheit is the one true way. There's no reason to tie measuring temperature to water, now is there? Why not measure temperature by hydrogen, if we're so objective?

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