Yeah, I'm taking an intro level course on VB. Kinda cool from the sound of it. Any of you guys got any knowledge of it?

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Prowling out of the tundra, swinging a jeweled meat hammer, cometh Outlaw Torn! And he gives a gutteral bellow:

"I'm seriously going to hump you until you scream like a banshee!"

I took classes for it in high school, at the most unbelievably introductory level imaginary. It was very odd, because often we would have to do something in a very roundabout way just because we hadn't been told a better way. So make sure to play around with VB yourself.

I'm currently relearning it, having not touched the thing in about four years, but other recent programming experiences have made things a lot clearer (I understand types! And modules!).

What sort of things are you making? It's really absurd the number of things you can do with only a few lines of code

If you get into games programming, remember that BitBlt is your god!

[This message has been edited by Matthew Pate (edited January 16, 2004).]

I like C++ more... more freedom.

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im in vb.net intro class too... so far its pretty easy... i took a class in java last year and its nice because for that class we never did any gui but thats all that vb is based on so far.

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"So there I was completely naked and covered in tartar sauce..."

C++ is more low level, so it does give you more freedom, its just not as easy to use. Depends on what you hope to code really.

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What is this ".net" thing, anyway? From what I can tell, it's some radical departure from previous versions.

I bought a copy of version five, and *********, I'm gonna get my money's worth!

C++ is more powerful, obviously, but I don't really plan on creating anything needing that sort of power (e.g. 3d games).

I wrote CogPad in VB. (Id post a link, but my server is down. )


I took 2 quarters of it at uni. Most of the guys there were *totally* lost, but thanks to my extensive background in cog, I found it a breeze.

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The future is here, and all bets are off.

Im learning about it right now because i am going to compete in FBLA (Future Business Leaders of America) and i have no idea about it.

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*Remnant Temple beta almost done*
Light And Darkness

I'm taking it in High school now. It's really pretty easy, but then again I use it a lot more than other people. I go home and write games and programs just for the hell of it.
Once I was bored, so I wrote a program to do whatever type of math problem was on my math homework. That was fun.

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MadQuack on Military school: Pro's: I get to shoot a gun. Con's: Everything else.
"I'm going to beat you until the laws of physics are violated!!" ! Maeve's Warcry

RIP -MaDaVentor-. You will be missed.

Your right it is a lower level but you have greater possibilites in it then you have in Visual Basic.



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Fixed.

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(Yes, This is Cool Matty)

I use VB and C++ pretty regularly. I like VB for writing quick little things, but when it comes down to doing something serious, like a contest, C++ always wins out.

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BV's rendition of Titanic: Let's have sex. I won't let go. I don't need this stone.
The End.
~ Wolfy

I took VB.net last year, but they never taught us enough to really do anythign with it-they taught us how to make all of these order forms, but never learned how to save. I'm trying to teach myself more now. I could have taken VB.net 2 and actually learned how to use the program effectively, but not enough people signed up for it.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right." -Isaac Asimov

Never tickle the third foot!

That's true! Don't forget it. Cool guys never use VB's own graphic commands but Windows API. Be cool, Bitblt. Although you can use even DirectX with VB. That brings to my mind that don't forget you can use any DLLs, preferably made with C++ for good performance, with you own code. That's what Bitblt is also all about.

This site will be one of your greatest friends:
http://www.planetsourcecode.com/

In programming nothing beats examples. Except examples with explanations...


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I'm supposed to be able to do vb and C++ by the end of this year... I can do a little VB. I made a scientific calculator! that's about as much as I can do.

I've been using delphi for most of my projects simply because I learnt it last year and find it fairly simple.

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VB isn't a bad place to start in terms of programming languages because you can create GUIs damned fast when compared with other languages, but it's downfall is that you just feel so ... "limited" I guess is the closest word I can think of, when you have more knowledge of more complex, detailed and ultimately "powerful" languages such as Java/C/C++ - I favour the former myself - yup I know - a Java sadist!

That and it doesn't seem right to look at VB code and see line statements endings without a ";". The lack of curly brackets "{ }" surrounding loops and test comparisons also just seems ... "wrong" to me now

Anyways - best of luck - it's a good initiation into the wonderful world of programming - but if you get the chance, take a step up and learn a more versatile language - the major selling point of Java and C (not sure about C++ as my knowledge of that language is limited) is that you "write and compile once, run everywhere" - totally non-dependent on OS/platform

Hope this helps

-Jackpot

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"lucky_jackpot is the smily god..." - gothicX

"Life is mostly froth and bubble,
But two things stand in stone,
Kindness in another's trouble,
Courage in your own"
("Ye Wearie Wayfarer" - by Adam Lindsay Gordon)

I hate Java with a fiery passion.

I swear, in C++, it's:


In Java, it's:


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BV's rendition of Titanic: Let's have sex. I won't let go. I don't need this stone.
The End.
~ Wolfy

[This message has been edited by BV (edited January 16, 2004).]

actually it's System.Out.Println

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Nope, that would give you an error. Out shouldn't be capitalized I think.

[edit: And neither should println]

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BV's rendition of Titanic: Let's have sex. I won't let go. I don't need this stone.
The End.
~ Wolfy

[This message has been edited by BV (edited January 16, 2004).]

Actually, it's:

System.out.println ("Text to display");



A capital "O" will cause a "cannot resolve symbol" compiler error (because it assumes Out is a variable). If anyone really cares, the class that the error is produced from is "java.lang.System"

-Jackpot

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"lucky_jackpot is the smily god..." - gothicX

"Life is mostly froth and bubble,
But two things stand in stone,
Kindness in another's trouble,
Courage in your own"
("Ye Wearie Wayfarer" - by Adam Lindsay Gordon)

I never really got into VB, though I used to love programming in BASIC on the ol' ACORN (aka Archimedes) machines!

Nowadays, I like to use C++.

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GhostOfYoda - General doer of stuff.

Hey, I can get the Visual Basic Studio 6.0 (which is what we are using) for 50 bucks!! w00t!

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Prowling out of the tundra, swinging a jeweled meat hammer, cometh Outlaw Torn! And he gives a gutteral bellow:

"I'm seriously going to hump you until you scream like a banshee!"

Two weeks ago I *had* to learn VB in less than a day... Basically people in my office needed an algorithm to sort through allot of data, FAST... and as VB would be the fasted, I spent half the day learning it, and then about two hours perfecting the algorithm... I still remember when one of the sales technicians (who has a masters in computer science) looked over my shoulder and said "WOW! You actually bothered to declare your variables!"...
So...
Yeah...
Assembly > Java = Fortran = Perl > C++

*runs away*


[Edit: GBK, YOU SAW NOTHING!!! Well, I guess you did, that’s what happens when you let a Microsoft program do your spell checking.]
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"Well, if I am not drunk, I am mad, but I trust I can behave like a gentleman in either
condition."... G. K. Chesterton

“questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself”

[This message has been edited by West Wind (edited January 17, 2004).]

ML all the way baybee!

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West Wind - Don't you have to declare your variables? (Dim them)

I don't know any of the rules anymore.. My teacher says it "has to be this way" but then I do it a different way (name something differently) and it works..

I feel like I'm in the Matrix. I don't know the rules... *sobs*

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MadQuack on Military school: Pro's: I get to shoot a gun. Con's: Everything else.
"I'm going to beat you until the laws of physics are violated!!" ! Maeve's Warcry

RIP -MaDaVentor-. You will be missed.

Did semester classes on VB and C++ last year. Doing an AP class on Java this year. I've completely forgotten pretty much everything I learned about VB and C++

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Do you have stairs in your house?

In programming, there is always an alternative solution, but usually one is better than the other.

Many languages do require you to declare your variables, VB is not one of them... at least not in my experience. However, it is always a good idea to declare your variable both for code documentation, and because it often prevents issues with "global" and "local" variables... Actually I’m pretty sure NOT declaring your variables in VB creates a "global" variable, whilst declaring it makes it "local", and with most code it is good programming to keep all but the necessary values "local"... I might be wrong though, i am by no means a VB master...

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"Well, if I am not drunk, I am mad, but I trust I can behave like a gentleman in either
condition."... G. K. Chesterton

“questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself”

I primarily just use C++. Every once in a while, I'll use Delphi. VB, however, I usually just stay away from.

But then again, I more or less just work with either 3D graphic applications or console applications. So I guess if I did more complex GUI's I would probably use Delphi more often, but leave the more complicated stuff to C++ and use a DLL.

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"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity."

-Albert Einstein

I picked it up a few years ago and am still messing around with it. VB is decent for business apps, but if you want something mroe powerful, definitly go C++. I recently tried to learn C++ and couldn't. I'm stuck in VB.

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Death awaits you with a pancake on its head.

/me whispers to Omicron88: "Free your mind"

And Jedi Legend speaks the truth - there's always more than one way of doing something in programming. It solely depends how you implement your algorithms as to how efficiently your code executes . Afterall you can code hundreds of lines in variables and statements, that loops can perform in just four or five - it's all about how you approach the problem and implement your solutions with intuitive algorithms

Hope this helps

-Jackpot

PS:

... Run, West Wind, RUN, before my nasty Java applications and applets catch you...

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"lucky_jackpot is the smily god..." - gothicX

"Life is mostly froth and bubble,
But two things stand in stone,
Kindness in another's trouble,
Courage in your own"
("Ye Wearie Wayfarer" - by Adam Lindsay Gordon)

Yes. The best way is to add Option Explicit in the beginning of the code in every module. That will make it obligatory to declare the variables. In my opinion it's in the long run, especially with larger projects, the only way to succeed. Otherwise you will gather all kinds of troubles along the way, the least of them not being the fact that you will forget the names of non-decleared variables...

If you don't declare variables, they will be of the variant type! And that's the worst thing to do, if you want to keep the program efficient and maintain some level of style. (You can avoid that by using Deftype, but I think that's more trouble in the end than declaring all the variables.)

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This day we fight

I always wanted to learn Assembly, just so I could say I knew a really low level language

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Do you have stairs in your house?

Don't go there Correction - please for the love of all things holy (Massassi inclusive ) even jokingly, just do NOT go there... it's nasty, fiddly and 'loody awkward to try and follow even a simple program flow, let alone comparison testing *shudders - it's enough to bring back nightmares...*

As part of my uni course they give us a broad range of experiences and quite frankly after 2x 2hr practical sessions of assembly, I was quite happy to be the first to escape from that torture cell ... ummm ... I mean "computer room"

This is why I can't stand to see people whining in the COG forum that "COG's too hard to learn" without first sitting down for at least 20/30mins to look through the DataMaster - heck - scripting in COG is just about as easy as it gets - especially when you look at assembly level code (although if you can code in assembly - you can earn MAJOR money, so the choice is yours...

Personally, give me a high-level language any day of the week

-Jackpot

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"lucky_jackpot is the smily god..." - gothicX

"Life is mostly froth and bubble,
But two things stand in stone,
Kindness in another's trouble,
Courage in your own"
("Ye Wearie Wayfarer" - by Adam Lindsay Gordon)

*sobs*

You misspelled Perl.

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The future is here, and all bets are off.

Blame MICROSOFT!!!

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"Well, if I am not drunk, I am mad, but I trust I can behave like a gentleman in either
condition."... G. K. Chesterton

“questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself”

[This message has been edited by West Wind (edited January 17, 2004).]

VB is to programming as American is to English.

C++ is masochistic but powerful.
Java is a sadistic port of C++.
Delphi is like C++ for VB fans, an in between grounds with a higher compiled executable size than all the others.

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tristan is the best friend of the jedi

"I am the signature virus! Copy me into your signature so that I can take over the world! Moohahahee!"

[This message has been edited by Jagged Conscience (edited January 17, 2004).]

I do.

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The future is here, and all bets are off.

/me scrapes another notch onto the "GBK vs 'The World' (a.k.a Microsoft)" scoreboard - you've got some
catching up to do, GBK



- so in terms of keyword spelling, you mean VB's different yet inferior and for people who can't spell properly? *runs and hides*

On a more serious note, there are some who would argue that VB isn't a true programming language, in-that it isn't really "OO", so to speak. I'm sure I remember having a similar sort of discussion with GBK about this in the cog forums one time... not that that really acts as a "valid" argument as we know how anti-microsoft GBK is

-Jackpot

PS: Is it just me or are more-or-less the same people posting in this thread?

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"lucky_jackpot is the smily god..." - gothicX

"Life is mostly froth and bubble,
But two things stand in stone,
Kindness in another's trouble,
Courage in your own"
("Ye Wearie Wayfarer" - by Adam Lindsay Gordon)