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Classification of music, does it stifle creativity?
2004-03-02, 4:15 PM #1
I believe it does. By having to conform to a certain "genre" bands are limited in what music they can produce.
And, is music being over-classified? Do we really need to define metal into nu, speed, thrash, goth black, death, etc. I'm just starting to listen to metal and I think all the different types seem a bit intimdating and I'm sure it scares off some listeners.
Anyway, thoughts?
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2004-03-02, 4:24 PM #2
I suppose classification can stifle creativity, but look at Wierd Al.

The metal up to today just kinda falls into those groups naturally. May as well not fight it.

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2004-03-02, 4:30 PM #3
I agree. People have thrown around the term "nu metal," but it seems to have been used simply for metal bands that person doesn't like, as though it'd kill them if those bands were somehow put in the same category as bands they like.

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2004-03-02, 5:16 PM #4
But "nu-metal" really is a subgenre. It's rap combined with metal. Plus it has a tendency to be really whiny...

Of course, on the plus side, they don't have really awful long hair or jackets over bare chests, or have to be in the same general genre as "Manowar" which gives nu-metal some advantages...
2004-03-02, 5:28 PM #5
I'm just amazed at how many bands go from the Alternative section, to the Popular, and back to Alternative at the record store.

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2004-03-02, 5:53 PM #6
Well, it's simply human nature to categorize things; it just happens. Genres are not inherently good or bad. They can be useful because they allow someone to get a vague idea what a band is like without ever hearing the music. However, one should not limit oneself to a single genre, nor should a band be afraid to expand beyond "their" genre.

In fact, I find some of the best bands to be those that mix genres or are hard to classify.

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2004-03-02, 6:18 PM #7
I know it's our nature to classify, I'm just saying how far is to far?
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2004-03-02, 7:20 PM #8
Classification of music is a good thing as long as bands don't take it too much into concideration. What I mean by that is that a given punk band shouldn't hesitate to write a couple of soft rock songs just because they'd classify outside their designated sub-genre. Let the music be classified by the listeners after it's creation, not before.

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2004-03-03, 12:20 AM #9
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wuss:

In fact, I find some of the best bands to be those that mix genres or are hard to classify.
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I agree. These are the bands thinking beyond the boundaries and creating new music beyond the genres that exist (so eventually a new genre name is thought up, this has happened a lot recently). My band don't really have a genre... we just write whatever sounds good to us, I always thought it was the best way.

I usually listen to a band then put them into a category using my own tastes as guideline, I just rate the music for what it is when I first hear it, I really hate the music press for crap like that.

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2004-03-03, 1:13 PM #10
Classifying a band into one category can hurt them as well. Some bands will try something in a new genre of music and the fans will jump down their throats for not staying true to their "roots". It really depends.

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2004-03-03, 3:29 PM #11
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">But "nu-metal" really is a subgenre. It's rap combined with metal. Plus it has a tendency to be really whiny...</font>


So why is everyone calling SoaD nu-metal? Whatever the hell it is I friggin love it.

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2004-03-03, 3:32 PM #12
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Avenger:
Classifying a band into one category can hurt them as well. Some bands will try something in a new genre of music and the fans will jump down their throats for not staying true to their "roots". It really depends.

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Regardless, a band does have roots.

Even if they are not specific to a single genre, there are very few bands that can create an early album, and then have a second album which is completely different without getting shot at.

Plus, bands can't simply produce tons of different types of music. If one band produced a CD which had Techno elements on Track 3, Punk on Track 7, Metal on Track 2, Pop on Track 4, Orchestral on Track 9... Well they'd have to be the freaking Beatles, to be quite honest, and it'd have to be the white album, because no other album has really sucessfully covered a wide range of music to the degree of that album.

It doesn't harm creativity at all. Classification happens naturally, and its totally human nature. What is annoying is when these stupid sub-genres are created.. For example "Grunge" was just a totally ridiculous label (and in reality it was just some commerical thing for record labels/MTV to make money).

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2004-03-03, 4:10 PM #13
And now, the jazz perspective:

I don't think so. On a single album of "jazz" you could have say, a latin song, a swing tune, a bebop, a funk, a blues...the list is pretty much infinite.

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2004-03-03, 5:12 PM #14
Yeah, that's the problem with all these genres... There's too many of them. When you have genres like pop-punk-rap-country-old-metal, it gets kinda weird.
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2004-03-03, 7:27 PM #15
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Well they'd have to be the freaking Beatles, to be quite honest, and it'd have to be the white album, because no other album has really sucessfully covered a wide range of music to the degree of that album.
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2004-03-04, 2:58 AM #16
Hehe..I'd really like to see someone try to categorize The Clash into one particular genre...I don't think it'd be possible.
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