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A few guitar secrets.
2004-08-06, 8:53 AM #1
Well, by popular demand, I'll present a few useful guitar exercises OFTEN neglected by several players. remember the use a metronome, practice often, begin a slow speed and then when you get clean, increase. Don't be in a hurry to play fast, it'll only make you angry in the long run.

Chromatic Warmup (16th notes)

use strict alternate Up Down picking on those. starting with a downstroke when you go down to the high E, and an upstroke when you go to the low E, it'll make your picking smooth and efficient. this finger pattern is also very good for strenghtening your individual fingers. Another good variation is to repeat the same pattern at the same place for at least 5 or 6 minutes, doing "Sprint runs" at random intervals, (ex: repeat 6 times in 16th notes, then play once or twice in 32nd notes, then go back to 16th notes.) you'll build up a lot of endurance.
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|---------------------------------|---------1-3-2-4-5-3-4-2-------------|
|---------------------------------|-1-3-2-4-----------------5-3-4-2-----|
|-------------------------1-3-2-4-|----------------------------------etc|
|-----------------1-3-2-4---------|-------------------------------------|
|---------1-3-2-4-----------------|-------------------------------------|
|-1-3-2-4-------------------------|-------------------------------------|


Rolling Technique

Rolling is a technique often used in swept arpeggios. the gist of it is basically laying one finger over a series of notes on the same fret (in this case, 3 consecutive notes) and then lightly arching your finger so you mute the note you just played the moment you play the next one. This exercise isn't all to complicated in concept, but by following your left hand finger pattern, you're forcing your hand to move up, while still staying on the same fret. it should sound like the same sweep is repeat 4 times exactly the same, but while changing fingers. move up to whatever fret you like, repeat for hours if you want to. it works. Don't forget, you let your pick "sweep" down to the last note, and since there isn't an upwards motion in this sweep, you constantly downstroke.
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|---1--1--1--1-| (in 8th triplets)
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Finger Strech scale in E phrygian (Cmaj) (6/4)

I'm tuned in DGCFAD, so in standard tuning, just transpose the whole scale 2 frets lower (3 instead of 5) if you want to keep true to the key, but the strech is also much bigger from the 3rd position. Your call, but i suggest starting with the one here before moving on to bigger streches, you could injure yourself. once again, alternate picking, and use all your 4 fingers.
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|---------------------------------------------5-7-9-10----|
|------------------------------------5-7-8-10-------------|
|---------------------------6-7-9-11----------------------|
|------------------5-7-9-11-------------------------------|
|----------4-5-7-9----------------------------------------|
|-5-7-9-10------------------------------------------------| (type 1)

|---------------------------------------------5-9-7-10----|
|------------------------------------5-7-8-10-------------|
|---------------------------6-7-9-11----------------------|
|------------------5-9-7-11-------------------------------|
|----------4-7-5-9----------------------------------------|
|-5-9-7-10------------------------------------------------| (type 2)


|---------------------------------------------5-10-9-7----|
|------------------------------------5-10-8-7-------------|
|---------------------------6-11-9-7----------------------|
|------------------5-11-9-7-------------------------------|
|----------4-9-7-5----------------------------------------|
|-5-10-9-7------------------------------------------------| (type 3)


I hope you'll put these to good use, and let me know if you want more exercises.

it seems that the ubb code formatting doesn't work all that well, but just to help you, both scalar patterns are 4 notes per string, and the rolled arpeggio is displayed correctly.

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2004-08-06, 9:05 AM #2
more. i really do need to start practicing again.

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2004-08-06, 9:44 PM #3
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|---------8---------------8-10-12-8-10-12---10-12-8-10-12------------|
|-8-10-12---12-10-8-10-12--------------------------------------------|


|----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|-----------------------------------------10---------------10-12-13----|
|---------9---------------9-10-12-9-10-12----12-10-9-10-12-------------|
|-9-10-12---12-10-9-10-12----------------------------------------------|
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                                       ~~
|----------10----------------10-12-13s20----|
|-10-12-13----13-12-10-12-13----------------|
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If it doesn't display right, copy/paste it into notepad or any program where you can format it with a monospaced font.

Here's a C major scalar sequence. It should be played as sixteenth note triplets. Remember, start slow and build speed. Here's an audio clip. I'm in Eb tuning so it'll sound like a B major scale instead. I'm playing it slowly then fast.

http://schnarf.geekvision.net/myrecordings/cmajseq1.mp3

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2004-08-07, 12:28 PM #4
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Seb:
remember the use a metronome</font>
Especially when you record. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/redface.gif]

(Me = stupid)

(Or if you have trouble staying in time with a metronome, use a beat box or something. Sometimes, you just need a different rhythm at the same tempo. I think there's metronomes that do that, but whatever.)

And someone should archive this thread later on.

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2004-08-08, 5:48 PM #5
Or sticky it.

Oh wait...

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2004-08-09, 3:35 AM #6
here's another one, not written by me, since it's a section from a symphony x song, (sea of lies if you want to hear it), but it's a very useful 100% legato (no pick) exercise.

in 16th triplets (the pattern lasts two beats, 12 notes in two beats)

|-t15p14p12---------------------h12h14-|
|--------------------------------------|
|-----------t16p12p11p9h11h12t16-------|
|--------------------------------------|
|--------------------------------------|
|--------------------------------------|

Have fun. Legato is really awesome =D

(here's a video to get an idea of what it sounds like: http://www.cyrillepizzera.com/lessons/taping.htm )

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2004-08-09, 2:04 PM #7
if the video does it right it should be played 2 steps down, so if you're in regular tuning you know what you have to do.
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2004-08-09, 2:05 PM #8
Not an exercise, but a pointer.

The only time you should stop practicing a lick/pattern altogheter, (and this is especially applying to licks/patterns you take from your favorite songs) is when you can play it at a speed -above- what was already recorded.

And if you ever get bored, well, take a break, recharge, do something else, and after a while (from an hour to a day) you'll be craving for some practice.

Yeah, the video plays it in standard tuning, but the actual song is in DGCFAD tuning. you can still practice the lick without the song though.

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2004-08-09, 6:51 PM #9
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Seb:
Not an exercise, but a pointer.

The only time you should stop practicing a lick/pattern altogheter, (and this is especially applying to licks/patterns you take from your favorite songs) is when you can play it at a speed -above- what was already recorded.

And if you ever get bored, well, take a break, recharge, do something else, and after a while (from an hour to a day) you'll be craving for some practice.

Yeah, the video plays it in standard tuning, but the actual song is in DGCFAD tuning. you can still practice the lick without the song though.

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Yeah. I'd just like to add on my tips. When building speed, take start at a speed where you can play it perfectly without any difficulty, to a metronome. Make sure you accent all the beats properly, when you're playing notes too fast to count them, already knowing and having a feel for where the beat falls will be extremely useful. Speed up the metronome. Usually I'll speed up in increments of 8 beats per minute until it gets harder, then I go by 4. Each time you speed up, make sure that, once again, you play it cleanly and properly accented. If you reach the target speed and you have difficulty sometimes, speed it up more. If there's something at 200 bpm and you have difficulty playing it there, playing it at 208 bpm then slowing back down will make 200 feel a lot easier. Never speed up if you can't play perfectly at the speed you're already at. Building speed is a slow process at first. Have patience. Use a metronome or I'll kill you.

For sheer technique building, I think scalar exercises are extremely effective. Play different scales; if you just concentrate on, for example, C major, you won't know your other scales and that will hurt you when improvising. Also play different patterns. This will familiarize you with different picking motions. Most scalar excersizes utilize three note per string movable scales, like the one I posted above.

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2004-08-09, 11:10 PM #10
Here's a powertab of some exercises I find useful.

http://schnarf.geekvision.net/practice.ptb

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2004-08-10, 9:10 AM #11
What's a good way to build dexterity and accuracy? Sometimes, I tend to slide too far, or sometimes the string slips out from beneath my finger(s) during a bend... sometimes I just plain miss (or deaden the string).

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2004-08-10, 9:21 AM #12
I'll repeat myself but play slow first, then speed it up. You need solid roots in order to sprout.

That, and of course, the exercises above. Try playing the chromatic scale at different tempos with different groupings (16th triplets, 5 note groupings, etc) and with string skipping (EG:4 notes on the low E then 4 notes on the D string, with the appropriate picking pattern)

I can't stress how -important- your picking is. your pick needs to be 100% coordinated with your left hand. An upstroke/downstroke in the wrong place might make a lick ten times harder than it should be. Remember that sometimes the best picking is the quirky kind, because if it's a special way of playing it, it's usually there on purpose. Experiment with the picking style you find easier for each pattern, and -then- build it up.

The Same thing applies with the fingering, there are many many ways to play each scale /chord/arpeggio on your fretboard, and sometimes with more than one technique. You can tap an arpeggio as well as sweeping it. and you can also play it linearly with slides , and you can play a lot with octaves by doodling with 5-6-7-8 finger scales (using your right hand, of course, we're not mutants... )

Plenty of other stuff to think of too, like building a steady and effective practice regiment, finding -what- kind of player you want to become. if you're serious about guitar, or any instrument for that matter, you should -know- that it's a lifelong process, and you should know that being emotionally and mentally connected with your instrument will make learning easier.

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2004-08-10, 10:28 AM #13
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DogSRoOL:
What's a good way to build dexterity and accuracy?

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Practise more? I mean, excercises are well and good, but they're not a substitute for practising every day.

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2004-08-10, 10:52 AM #14
I do. I've had this problem since I started playing leads, and it hasn't improved the slightest bit. [Maybe it has, and I just haven't noticed.]

Maybe I'm just concentrating too hard. I learned the harder I focus, the more trouble I have. I learned this with a certain riff-ish solo thing I do at my church. While playing it, I just don't look at my fretboard, because the moment I do, I start to have problems.

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2004-08-10, 11:44 AM #15
You need to stop worrying about getting good fast. things come as they will, but playing everyday is a must if you want to progress.

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2004-08-10, 2:45 PM #16
I know. It's just that I learned so fast at the start, and things are slowing down now, so I feel like I'm not learning anything anymore... and then I get discouraged and don't want to play as much as did when I was first learning.

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2004-08-10, 3:47 PM #17
One other tip that really helped me in playing passages where both legato (slides or hammerons/pulloffs) and alternate picking are used. For example:
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-15p12-14p12----12----------------------------
-------------15----15-14-12h14p12----11-------
----------------------------------14----12-14-
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Play this as straight sixteenth notes. Because of the legato, your pick will not constantly be moving up and down. In the first four notes, you should be downpicking, pulling off, and downpicking again. Essentially, the point of this is that odd sixteenth notes will be downpicked, and even sixteenthnotes will be uppicked, just as they would be without any legato. This does not mean that you should pick notes to which you are pulling off or sliding. Here's that same lick with picking notated:
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-15p12-14p12----12----------------------------
-------------15----15-14-12h14p12----11-------
----------------------------------14----12-14-
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 D     D     D  U  D  U  D        U  D  U  D


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2004-08-11, 9:08 AM #18
http://www.vai.com/LittleBlackDots/MLS_index.html

Those pages don't talk much about guitar theory and chop improvement in itself, but more about the feeling of music, the level of mind a musician should strive for. Really a good read, for those who are serious about their instrument. I know it changed -my- outlook.

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2004-08-11, 4:26 PM #19
I discovered a good finger-stretching exercise by accident. It's effectiveness will vary, depending on a combination of the width of your hand, the length of your fingers, the width of your guitar neck, and the size of your frets.
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G---------------------|
D---------------------|
A-------1-3-4-3-1-----|
E-1-3-4-----------4-3-|
Just keep repeating it. I, for one, can feel the muscles in my hand stretching quite a bit (particularly toward the pinky side of my hand.)
This probably isn't good for much else, though, except maybe getting used to using your pinky.
You could also throw the 2nd fret in there, I suppose, but I don't feel as much stretching when I do. Maybe that's just my wierd hand. Last two fingers seem to be double jointed, which is not good. I never knew it before I started playing guitar.

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2004-08-11, 8:21 PM #20
yeah. following that trend you can practice stretches with an Harmonic minor scale. (flat the third and 6th degree of a major scale)

Try also replacing your stretches with taps too, another good excuse to practice your legato (I'm mildly obsessing about that type of playing, don't mind me.)

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2004-08-12, 7:19 AM #21
Any good exercises for single string shredding runs?
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2004-08-12, 8:56 AM #22
for single string runs, it means a lot of position shifting. you can kill two birds with one stone with the following exercise. I put it using the chromatic scale because it's a good warmup and a great way to really polish your chops as far as hand/pick coordination goes. You can apply the concept to any scale, with string skipping. etc. the basic idea is to start at a position, play your 4 notes (or 3 if you're using a 3 note per string pattern. it's still the same concept) on that string (G G# A A# if you start at the 3rd in standard tuning,) and then when you switch to the next string, change positions. either shift up or down, 2 frets or 3 frets, as long as you shift. the best way to master this exercise is using free-play, just playing along the metronome by shifting positions each time you change strings, randomly. the random factor will force you to predict -where- you want to go before you do it, so it helps thought coordination too, in a slight manner, but it still does.

here's a basic example of what I'm talking about.

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|------------------------------------------5-6-7-8-|
|----------------------------------4-5-6-7---------|
|-------------------------6-7-8-9------------------|
|-----------------5-6-7-8--------------------------|
|---------4-5-6-7----------------------------------|
|-5-6-7-8------------------------------------------|

with string skipping:

|------------------------------------------5-6-7-8-|
|--------------------------------------------------|
|-----------------5-6-7-8----------4-5-6-7---------|
|---------4-5-6-7----------------------------------|
|--------------------------6-7-8-9-----------------|
|-5-6-7-8------------------------------------------|


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2004-08-12, 7:08 PM #23
Code:
e|8-5-7-8-10-7-8-10-12-8-10-12-13-10-12-13-16-12-13-16-17~

You can use this sort of pattern, reversed, to descend. You also might want to slide into the higher note as you ascend, for example:
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e|8-5-7-8/10-7-8-10/12-8-10-12...

Of course, I've only written out the pattern in an octave, you can go as far as your fretboard goes. Here's an example of part of an A harmonic minor descent in that same vein:
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e|20-19-17-16-19-17-16-13-12...

Single string patterns like these build picking speed and synchronization. What they don't build, obviously, is the ability to cross strings, which is why I'd stress the im portance of three- and four-note per string patterns. Hope this helps.

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2004-08-20, 5:05 AM #24
I've always had a weak pinky finger and after doing these for about 10 minutes I'm much more confident about placement and stuff.

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2004-08-20, 8:04 AM #25
That's great then. doing it more and more will slowly put each and every pattern into your head as an automatism. exercises help build your muscle memory, so after a while your fingers know where to go. that's when your speed increases.

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2004-08-20, 7:56 PM #26
Are there any good books or websites where I can learn music theory? I looked at some of the stuff at OLGA, and started to understand, but became stumped pretty soon.

However, the excersizes here are very useful, even though I don't understand the theory behind them.

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2004-08-20, 8:05 PM #27
as far as theory goes, you either need to take classes, or learn on your own, and both comes with practice. dissecting a song is a good way to start.

And as far as -my- exercises go, they're more technically driven. Lordvader's exercises have more theory behind them.

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2004-08-20, 10:57 PM #28
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dry gear the frog:
Are there any good books or websites where I can learn music theory? I looked at some of the stuff at OLGA, and started to understand, but became stumped pretty soon.

However, the excersizes here are very useful, even though I don't understand the theory behind them.

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This is pretty much what I was explaining to Seb a while ago. This is what works for me; you may think differently and this may be completely ineffective, but this is the advice I can offer. There are references that will give you all the rules behind theory. I find memorization of rules, or any data, for that matter, to be somewhat pointless. I prefer to work the other way, that is, by looking at an example and applying rules to it. Next time you play a song, use references to understand what key it's in. Look at chords you're playing and understand the intervals in that chord and the tonality of the chord as a whole.

Learn to play major and minor scales on guitar. Practice scales in different positions.

If you're playing a song, do two things. Try to stop on a note and feel what note the song resolves to. Just sing the note, if you feel like it, and match it on guitar. That's pretty much what key is. Also, assuming you now know your scale shapes, you may be able to find the key by just seeing the intervals and notes in the song coming together to form a scale. The latter is what works best for me.

I'm probably being sort of long winded and probably unnecessarily confusing. Basically what I'm suggesting is that you learn theory by starting out applying it to songs you play.

P.S. As far as websites, a quick google for "music theory" might not be a bad idea.
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2004-08-21, 3:19 AM #29
secret:

PUT UR FINGERS ON TEH FRETS AND THE NOTE CHANGES!!!

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2004-08-21, 9:00 AM #30
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Septic Yogurt:
secret:

PUT UR FINGERS ON TEH FRETS AND THE NOTE CHANGES!!!

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quoted for truth

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2004-08-21, 9:20 AM #31
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by lordvader:
This is pretty much what I was explaining to Seb a while ago. This is what works for me; you may think differently and this may be completely ineffective, but this is the advice I can offer. There are references that will give you all the rules behind theory. I find memorization of rules, or any data, for that matter, to be somewhat pointless. I prefer to work the other way, that is, by looking at an example and applying rules to it. Next time you play a song, use references to understand what key it's in. Look at chords you're playing and understand the intervals in that chord and the tonality of the chord as a whole.

Learn to play major and minor scales on guitar. Practice scales in different positions.

If you're playing a song, do two things. Try to stop on a note and feel what note the song resolves to. Just sing the note, if you feel like it, and match it on guitar. That's pretty much what key is. Also, assuming you now know your scale shapes, you may be able to find the key by just seeing the intervals and notes in the song coming together to form a scale. The latter is what works best for me.

I'm probably being sort of long winded and probably unnecessarily confusing. Basically what I'm suggesting is that you learn theory by starting out applying it to songs you play.

P.S. As far as websites, a quick google for "music theory" might not be a bad idea.
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I will try to follow your advice. It's possible though that you're able to figure things out like that because you have a lot of musical intelligence. I don't know if that'll work for everyone. But I'll try.


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