I just wrote this in another, German forum. So I try to translate it for you I tought massassi would be a good place to talk about this.

It makes me sad, that a lot of people ***** about some music genres. My origin is Metal, and since I listen sometimes to rap or mediaeval music a lot of people explain me that my music sucks. It made me sad, since I tought before that the metal scene would be more tolerant.

I once bought me a bagpipe. As some of you might know, I am from Germany. There is no German bagpipe anymore. There is a French, a Spanish, a Hungarian and a lot of other countries have their bagpipe, not to forget the world famous Scottish Highland bagpipes. There is a reason, why the German one died out. While the Renaissance the German bourgeoisie was too fine for it. The range of the bagpipe's pitch isn't huge at all, and you don't have a lot of variety in dynamic and volume. So the "real" artists switched more and more to instruments like the clarinett.
What they totally forgot was the fun of music played by it. So it stayed an instrument for the peasents for a while till it died out totally.

What I want to say with this example is, that it doesn't really mater (at least for me) how elaborate and artistic music is, you just have to like it.
(I should add, that I wrote this article in a German mediaeval music forum, where a lot of people wrote of how low quality rap is, and they all love the bagpipe )

Sure, noone has to like all genres, all bands or all songs - but why do some people point out so often that they don't like the music I like and - what I dislike most - explain their dislike by trying to show me of how low quality it is.

Shouldn't anyone who talks like this listen to this modern version of that what one most often calls classical music? I don't know much about this genre, I just don't really like it.

After all I just don't want to hear anymore people explain me that their music is the only true one.
But since I listen to a lot of music, I have to hear it all the time.

Pantera, Metallica, Slayer, Ektomorf, Iced Earth, Die Ärzte, Exploited, Wizo, Terrorgruppe, Josh Wink, In Extremo, Geyers, Zupfeigenhansel, Oomph!, Rammstein, Megaherz, Marilyn Manson, Einstürzende Neubauten, Wir sind Helden, Rage Against the Machine, Die Allergie, Goethes Erben, Guano Apes, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Tool, System of a Down, Taktlo$$, Fumanschu, King Kool Savas, Moldy Peaches, Jimmy Page, Black Crowes, Jimmi Hendrix, Prodigy, Ska-P, Sex Action

I just posted these names of bands/musicians I like, so that everybody can find something he dislikes
Oh, and I was just focusing of the different musical styles. Not about different political or phylosophical opinions expressed in music.

That's all. I don't have a real cause to post it here. I just fellt like, and I wanted to write something in English So what do you think?

I could just barely control myself from typing just: "Man your musical taste sucks."

But I figure that's everyone expecting for a first reply...

So hah! I didn't do the obvious joke! fooled you all!

I agree completely.

I think it's perfectly fine to state why you dislike a music genre, but judging other people or artists because of it is wrong.

Those Mansonites are an exception.

That's my #1 pet-peave. What makes anyone think that any kind of music is better than another? It's all self-expression, but not everyone works the same. When I was very little, I grew up in a poor ghetto neighborhood. I listened to rap and hip-hop alot. Then I started branching out and listening to all kinds of music. Every little piece I could get my hands on, I would listen to it. Sure I wouldn't like all of it, but even then I didn't think it sucked. It just wasn't for me.

Even now, I listen to a ton of music. One of the few types I don't dig is country. BUT I know alot of people who do love it, so I'm quite sure it doesn't suck. I just can't stand it:D

I've found the most tolerant music community to be the Jazz community. It just seems to have alot more mature people involved than most others. Even the rock community seems hardly tolerant of urban music/hip-hop. In fact, I'd dare say that the hip-hop community is more tolerant of other musics than some. But this is probably just from the people I know, which is but a small sample of the whole community.

I've noticed alot of people dislike rap here at massassi. I've noticed little tolerance, though, as I can recall alot of posts by people saying that rap sucks. Grow up, please. There's no competition going on, and your precious genre-of-taste isn't any better than any others

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Yeah, I think stating is ok, too. I try to avoid it, but that's a different subject.

I don't have a problem if someone says "Pantera is too heavy", "Einstürzende Neubauten are to strange for me" or "I don't like this electrical sound of Josh Wink, I rather listen to guitars". Until they don't explain me, that it sucks because of that.

Yeah, Compos Mentis, maturity is an important thing in this issue I think. When I was 13 and had my first Metallica CD "Kill Em All", everything else sucked. Even the Load and the Reload, and those actually brought me to Metallica

I've gone from loving metal and disliking rap, to liking electronica and liking some rap, to liking electronica, non-mainstream rap, and some metal. Usually for me to like a band they have to meet one or more of these conditions:

1. An interesting, genuine, unique message.
2. A sound totally different from anyone else's.

Failing these two...

3. They're so good at what they do, they surpass anyone else in the genre.

I consider RATM, for example, to meet all three. That's unusual.

Those are awesome criteria that are similiar to mine. I'm sure there's some country out there I'd enjoy because they fall into 1.2.&3, but I haven't given it a chance yet. If anyone could recommend some that I might enjoy, please pm me or post and I'll be forever thankful. Music is my life.

Where I live, it's crazy. There's a "rapper" posse and a "Metal rulz lolol Satan lolol" group. Thing is, none of them know anything about either genre, it's all looks and posing. I find it silly, but they have fights over it. it's really stupid.

I'm a metalhead. I pride myself from being one of the rare true metalhead that actually represents the genre (I made a 8 track cd and cover a CoB song. if that doesn't represent metal I don't know what does ). But that doesn't mean I hate all music. I can cope to listen to any music as long as it doesn't have anything ear cringy or blatantly out of tune, then my musical ear tells me this sucks. But as long as something is solid, well played, and actually makes sense composition wise, then I'm not spitting on it.

But when a group of 15/17 year old musicians with no experience of playing other than playing bits and pieces of sum 41 and limp bizkit songs make a hardcore band... I'm sorry but this is the kind of thing that pisses me off. Nothing forbids them from forming their band. but for god's sake. at least make sure you play RIGHT when you perform. There's nothing more insulting to the crowd than presenting a half arsed product.

anyway, I could ramble a long time about that. but I agree completely with Matyy.

I would think that a lot of people in the jazz community are less tolerant because they're snobs.

There's some music I like from every genre. I used to think that hip-hop sucked, until I discovered that it can be really good. The same goes for country.

I know my fair share of jazz-snobs, but less so than rock-snobs or hip-hop snobs. Just my personal experience, though.

That's true, I know a lot of rock snobs. I have some snobbish tendencies myself, but they're mild compared to other people.

Too much experience with this one.

I can understand that people don't like some types of music. What I hate is when people put a blanket over an entire genre of music because they don't like a handful of songs they've heard on the radio. The "I think that kind of music suckso I'm better that you" attitude sucks hard too. People like that annoy me to no end. At least recognize that some people out there might like listening to something even if you don't like it.

Anyone who thinks medieval music "sucks" should be smacked.

If any of you haven't heard German bagpipe music, listen to the track 5 sample here:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000056OE8/ref=wl_it_dp/104-2476709-6411912?%5Fencoding=UTF8&coliid=IEN14FR4UDGS9&v=glance&colid=2JU5TB49DXRWQ

My brother's a big fan of Dead Can Dance, and they do a lot of medieval stuff.

I find that the more original a genre is, the more open minded it's fanbase is. I despise typical conservative rock listeners who refuse to listen to anything else. It seems like these people are abundant. However, you'll have a much harder time finding someone who listens to jazz, metal, electronic, and doesn't listen to anything else.

People who complain about "today's music" equally piss me off. They liked it back 50 years ago, when there was no diversity and every band sounded the same. Today there's hundreds of genres. Pretty much any sound imaginable can be categorized into a musical genre.

I listen to nearly every kind of music there is. Rap, urban, rave, house, trance, techno, goa, ambient, classical, contemporary classical, jazz, rock, country, alternative, punk, goth... I think metal is probably the only genre I don't really listen to.

Dead Can Dance does watered-down new age remixes of medieval music, from what I've heard.

I see his problem alot, too, unfortunatly in a few of my friends. i will admit i have been guilty of it myself, on occation. however, i have reasons behind me not liking a gerne, i don't like Rap (not hip-hop, i know there is more to hip-hop then rap) because of the message in the lyrics, and i don't like Emo because #1 the lyrics are depressing as hell, and #2 my friend listened to it obesessivly for a long while (he's getting out of it now) and it really messed with his head for a bit (again, because of the depressing lyrics).

However, i don't consider these genres bad, per se, though i've yet to run into a rap song i like. I have a few emo songs still on my HD, the music can actualy be pretty good if you don't pay much attention to the lyrics. I just, as i said, haven't found much in these genres i like. My friend (the emo one) also lsitens to rap now, and i really don't mind. I perfer not to have him play it when i'm around, but him listening to it i don't mind (i did say "how can you listen to this crap" once, but only once, and i didn't really mean it)

My other friend, though, was extremly intolerant (he's getting out of it, though, as well). I.e. calling almost all of my songs crap at one point. He can't stand emo to any extent, there could be a pretty good song but if the genre came up as 'emo' he'd proclaim it utter **** on the spot. Annoying, i can tell you. But, as i said, he's getting out of it, so its all good now.

One thing i learned though, from my non-emo friend, was what it felt like to have my music insulted like that, so i've learned not to do it myself.

I don't know where you heard that from. They don't do remixes, and I don't think they're considered "new age". They don't entirely do medieval type stuff either, only some of their songs, they write a lot of them. I don't know where you'd get the watered down part from either.

They are very highly respected in the music community, so I don't know who would have said what you heard.
Here's part of the AMG review for Aion, their most medieval album:

It's not something I heard someone say. It's from what I've actually heard by them, though I haven't heard a lot.

I have heard their version of Saltarello, and it's the worst version of that particular saltarello I've ever heard. I have several vastly superior versions, if you want to hear them.

I do like some of their other songs, particularly the ones with Lisa Gerrard.

Sorry, I guess I misinterpreted what you said.

Ouch. I'm not as big a fan of them as my brother, but apparently according to the review I linked to, Saltarello is one of the better songs on there.
They're definitely not new-age, though.

Lisa Gerrard is great. Her solo stuff is decent as well. She's done a lot of movie soundtracks, including the ones for Gladiator and Whale Rider.

I'm giving a listen to Saltarello now. And am liking it a lot. What in particular is so bad about it?
I need to download some other versions of this song if this one is bad in comparison.

everybody has crappy musical taste.

Bagpipes singular is also plural as there are many pipes to the bag GO SCOTLAND WHOO!

http://24.150.129.48:12952/saltarello/

I can't listen to them at the moment, but I'll try to get to it tonight and report back.

So, did you listen?

By the way...
http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html This guide has Dead Can Dance in Downtempo > Minimalism > Ambient > New Age > Ethereal

Some music is just flat out musically superior to other music.

Yeah, I did last night. I forgot to get back to you.
I actually like the DCD version better than any of them. I guess that's just me.
AMG lists them as
* Ethnic Fusion
* Dream Pop
* Alternative Pop/ Rock

I don't agree with everything from the site you linked to- they got New Wave all wrong. I'm not sure if DCD would fit with the description of Ethereal, either. They weren't dark and moody most of the time. Like any band that's labeled goth and doesn't suck, they didn't choose to be called "goth", others stuck the label on them, and they resent the label.
DCD doesn't really set out to be dark or morbid or anything. They can be at times maybe, but it's not their style really.

Bah. One half hour car ride and I'm labelled for life. It was on random, and every song that came on was either sad or angry. It was bringing me down! I can't listen to things like that in a car. Car rides need a certain kind of music. Goo Goo Dolls are fine. I have no problem with them. I even like some of their songs. But, they are the wrong sound for a car ride.

And your CD player was bothering me with its complicated buttons. Fix your radio.

And there wasn't any Skynyrd. None.

Er, no, that i didn't mind, tool and APC was on, you really have to pay attention to them, or yeah, it can sound bad. i was referring to the time you were over my house and looked through my music folder.

Emo is just lousy goth music with a tight button up shirt and stupid looking glasses.

The majority of the music that I listen to is metal or "nu" metal. Howver, that's not to say I don't like anything else -- I'm trying now to keep myself from just defining the music I like by genre -- I'm trying to put more of a personal focus on liking an artist, regardless of his or her genre.

I have to say, though, that I can only stand country in small doses, and it'll be a cold day in Hell when I can listen to a boyband and not have to switch the station, song, or CD within a few seconds.