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Tupac Shakur Featuring Elton John - Ghetto Gospel
2004-11-28, 1:12 PM #1
This is a song off Tupac's new album. It just goes to show his range when two icons of two completely different genre's are brought together for a track. It's a good song IMO.



Mods- As far as I know this is legal, since it's been played on the radio over and over again in England and was available on their site for download a while back.

Left-Click Me
2004-11-28, 5:52 PM #2
I thought Tupac died.
2004-11-28, 6:48 PM #3
Yeah... is this kinda like when Nirvana came out with "You Know You're Right"?
"Well ain't that a merry jelly." - FastGamerr

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2004-11-28, 9:03 PM #4
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Originally posted by Acharjay
Yeah... is this kinda like when Nirvana came out with "You Know You're Right"?


****ing Courtney Love.
D E A T H
2004-11-28, 9:03 PM #5
is elvis on this album too?
eat right, exercise, die anyway
2004-11-28, 9:04 PM #6
They just go through and use all his old studio recordings.

Apparently he spent ALOT of time in the Studio.
2004-11-28, 9:04 PM #7
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Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
****ing Courtney Love.


eww... who would want to... i mean have you seen her..
eat right, exercise, die anyway
2004-11-28, 9:07 PM #8
Ha, there's a live recording of Nirvana with Kurt saying, "This one goes out to Courtney, the greatest **** in the world." I shudder every time I hear that.
2004-11-29, 1:05 PM #9
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Originally posted by Rob
They just go through and use all his old studio recordings.

Apparently he spent ALOT of time in the Studio.


There are probably hundreds of songs that got rough recorded but were never used on an album.

The song's cool. Good lyrics.
Pissed Off?
2004-11-29, 2:18 PM #10
Free Frances Bean!
2004-11-29, 2:36 PM #11
Many people believe Tupac is alive, and many think he's dead.

The reason behind many of his songs are simple. Tupac spent literally only 3-5 hours a day sleeping, sometimes without sleep. Pretty much all of his time was spent making songs in the studio. He has about 700 songs unreleased that he recorded during his lifetime. Which is why new albums keep coming out each year.
2004-11-29, 3:32 PM #12
So who does the money go to?

If he's dead, let him be dead.
2004-11-29, 4:29 PM #13
The money goes to his mother, charitie's, and funds for the Tupac Shakur Center for the Arts. A school opening in Georgia soon to let people attend to study the arts, in his memorium.

If he's dead let him be dead?... That has nothing to do with the continuous releasing of his music. Tupac is considered to rap and black people what Elvis is to rock and other black historical figures such as Martin Luther King, etc. Why? Because of his lyrics. If you take the time and listen to him, you'll see, he's been one of the most outspoken people driving for change in the world, and often and more efficiently put out his feelings on the hypocracy of the world and society. Our laws, etc.

He's considered to be the greatest rapper ever, with the deepest and most influential lyrics. He's also the most influential rap artist, period. In every catagory.

So this is the reason to keep putting his music out year by year. Two main reasons actually... Because he's so popular there's an incredible demand for new and fresh material. And the most important one, to keep his legacy and message alive.
2004-11-29, 11:28 PM #14
Plus, anything by Tupac is a whole a whole lot better than most of the crap that claims to be rap these days. His lyrics had meaning about the plight in the black community and how to change it (not all of it, but quite a bit). He had some pretty good messages in his songs.
Pissed Off?
2004-11-29, 11:36 PM #15
It seems kind of exploitative to just release his stuff a little at a time like they're doing. Sure, it makes sense commercially, but still....
It's not the side effects of cocaine, so then I'm thinking that it must be love
2004-11-30, 3:21 PM #16
Dry gear - Although I see what you're meaning, I doubt they're going to put out a CD with over 700 songs. Plus, the songs have to be updated, since the beats that were originally recorded with the songs (OG's) are fairly out of date and some even only used as template's for his flow.

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Plus, anything by Tupac is a whole a whole lot better than most of the crap that claims to be rap these days. His lyrics had meaning about the plight in the black community and how to change it (not all of it, but quite a bit). He had some pretty good messages in his songs.


Agreed. Rap nowadays for the most part sucks. There's few artists with any meaning behind their lyrics. They got skill yes, but they don't use their skills for meaningful things.
2004-11-30, 7:38 PM #17
700 songs? That would be too big for a boxed set I suppose. Thanks for clarifying.

How exactly does the whole thing work? Are they planning to keep going until all of it is released, or do they release a cd and wait to see how it sells before deciding to throw some songs together for another one?
It's not the side effects of cocaine, so then I'm thinking that it must be love
2004-11-30, 7:41 PM #18
2Pac, IAM and Wu-Tang were the only rap groups I ever liked.
2004-11-30, 8:23 PM #19
Atmosphere is my favorite hip-hop band.
Here's a link to a free mp3 of one of their songs: http://mp3.insound.com/download.cfm?mp3id=1957
It's not the side effects of cocaine, so then I'm thinking that it must be love
2004-11-30, 8:28 PM #20
That looks very cool.

However, while I have nothing but respect for Mr. Shakur...he's dead, man.
2004-12-01, 5:15 PM #21
Unfortunately. But still, people won't stop believing he could be alive. Even though I myself think he's dead, I will have to admit that there are a lot of suspiscious things.

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How exactly does the whole thing work? Are they planning to keep going until all of it is released, or do they release a cd and wait to see how it sells before deciding to throw some songs together for another one?


Well, as far as what people are hoping, since there is so much material that still exists, they will be releasing new CD's around the same time (christmas) every year.

It has always however, been the plan of Tupac's mother to release one CD each year with new unreleased songs, as well as remixes of rare ones that aren't released but can be obtained legally, as well as some older songs.

There is a movie in the works that Tupac wrote while he was in jail, called "Live 2 Tell", it's supposed to be coming out sometime in the future, currently in pre-production matters.

There is also a broadway play or something to that degree, either way it's a really major play, about Tupac's life. Yes, the man had THIS much effect on society and the youth.

Next year another biographic film is being released about Tupac, called All Eyez on Me.

This year's new CD is called "Loyal To the Game" which a lot of Tupac fans are disappointed over due to the fact that Eminem has produced 12 out of the 17 songs on the album, and edited Tupac's voice so it gives him props and shout outs, as well as other members of bands like G-Unit, etc.
2004-12-01, 7:21 PM #22
All right, I take back what I said about it being exploitative. I think his mother just honestly wants people to hear his music.
During what time period was all of his music recorded? I wonder what kind of musical growth he had.
It's not the side effects of cocaine, so then I'm thinking that it must be love
2004-12-02, 11:25 AM #23
Back to the topic. Tempermental, at first, I thought Eminem being the Executive Producer would have been a good thing. Now I think everyone was wrong. Many of th beats on this CD are not very good. They just don't feel like anything Pac would rryme on. And trust me, I have listened to ALOT of pac, and am sure you have to. Must of thee beats have this annoying ding in the background that you only find on stupid Eminem songs where he is being retarded or being Slim Shady. I thought it was a poor decisions. The best songs on this album were no produced by Eminem. There were also many other songs on this CD that were just produced poorly. One song you cant even hear the freaking hook with the dudes singing in the back. The Elton JOhn piece...though the concept of it was very Pacish, it was also horribly produced. It sounded like an Eminem song with just Pac vocals in the background. I don;t know...Eminem ****ed up Encore, and I really wish he wouldnt have ****ed up Loyality to the Game.

Afeni Shakur, I know that it is a good marketing tool to get Em otn produce, hoping you may be able to reach suburbia...but no...I think your son's legacy to people who it actually meant something too, is far more then selling an extra million. At least the money goes to charter. And ya, I got a sneak peak at the album. I am really pissed off right now.
In Tribute to Adam Sliger. Rest in Peace

10/7/85 - 12/9/03
2004-12-02, 8:30 PM #24
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During what time period was all of his music recorded? I wonder what kind of musical growth he had.


All of his music was recorded from 1980's-1996, the year he "died". He produced music beats, was going to mamke his own record label, and had also made groups of artists designed to come together much in the same way that "We Are the World" did, they were called "One Nation" and "Ghetto Gospel".

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Back to the topic. Tempermental, at first, I thought Eminem being the Executive Producer would have been a good thing. Now I think everyone was wrong. Many of th beats on this CD are not very good. They just don't feel like anything Pac would rryme on. And trust me, I have listened to ALOT of pac, and am sure you have to. Must of thee beats have this annoying ding in the background that you only find on stupid Eminem songs where he is being retarded or being Slim Shady. I thought it was a poor decisions. The best songs on this album were no produced by Eminem. There were also many other songs on this CD that were just produced poorly. One song you cant even hear the freaking hook with the dudes singing in the back. The Elton JOhn piece...though the concept of it was very Pacish, it was also horribly produced. It sounded like an Eminem song with just Pac vocals in the background. I don;t know...Eminem ****ed up Encore, and I really wish he wouldnt have ****ed up Loyality to the Game.

Afeni Shakur, I know that it is a good marketing tool to get Em otn produce, hoping you may be able to reach suburbia...but no...I think your son's legacy to people who it actually meant something too, is far more then selling an extra million. At least the money goes to charter. And ya, I got a sneak peak at the album. I am really pissed off right now.


I already have the full new album, but I'll be buying it as well when it comes out.

I agree though. However, I never thought it would be a good thing to have Eminem produce anything on his album. I would be fine with 2 songs maximum. Most of Eminems beats sound EXACTLY alike, he has no originality whatsoever.

The thing I'm mostly pissed about is actually having Eminem, 50 cent, and other craptacular artists on the album.

A. Tupac never worked with them or even knew them when he was alive.

B. The rappers that are on the cd with Tupac aren't on the same level as him, and don't even talk about the same issues as him. They don't have as deep meaning or lyrics as him. They don't match in any way whatsoever.

That and the fact that Eminem has manipulated his words to give him shout outs and other members of G-Unit. Leave the music the way HE created it, the way HE meant for it to be heard. Don't manipulate what he said.
2004-12-02, 9:16 PM #25
They may not have know him personally, but 2Pac influenced them. There's not doubt about that. I agree that they aren't on the same level as 2Pac, but I view it as more of a tribute to Pac.
Pissed Off?
2004-12-02, 9:56 PM #26
I didn't know he had been around as early as the 80's.

I've heard about three or four Eminem songs, and only liked one of them. Mosh is an excellent song, even though it seems kind of clumsy in the beginning.
It's not the side effects of cocaine, so then I'm thinking that it must be love
2004-12-02, 10:54 PM #27
He didn't get big until the early ninties after NWA and then the solo albums from Easy E, Dr. Dre and Ice Cube brought West Coast rap more to the mainstream.
Pissed Off?
2004-12-02, 11:58 PM #28
Tupac was raised by Black Panthers. Sure his mom may have changed, but I can picture Tupac writing Hit Em Up 2 directed right at Em if he were alive today...And what the hell? Jadakiss? Jada is a good rapper, but he was part of Biggie's crew. That is like getting Lil Cease or P DIddy to rap on a Tupac track. It just DOES NOT WORK.
In Tribute to Adam Sliger. Rest in Peace

10/7/85 - 12/9/03
2004-12-03, 2:49 PM #29
Hit Em Up 2 already exists, I've got it. It's an unreleased track, and is a part 2 to the original Hit Em Up.

As far as having Eminem on the album, I don't think it's a tribute to him really. A tribute would be having Eminem produce maybe 1 or 2 songs, but not 98% of an entire album.

The reason people argue that Eminem and G-Unit and all them didn't know Tupac, therefore shouldn't be on a Tupac track, is because other artists that Tupac worked with and was close friends with, weren't even consulted about the albums or even considered. In fact, Tupac recorded the originals to the new songs WITH them on the track (Big Syke, Stretch, Snoop Dogg), and were cut off of the track in order to make room for new artists like 50 Cent and all them. Which to me, and about 90& of Tupac fans, is disgusting.

There was a petition on petitiononline.com a few weeks back, pleading to Tupac's estate to release the songs in their original form, the way Tupac meant them to be, or at least leave the original artists on the track and not warp what Tupac actually said (i.e, giving shout outs to eminem, replacement of verses, etc), and was the top petition on there for a while.

Having heard the new album myself, I can tell you that the beats aren't even on par with what Tupac's tracks should and have been. There's only a few songs on the album that actually have beats that match the theme of the lyrics. Pretty much all the other ones just suck. Although lyrics are the most important part, and the only thing I really pay attention to (especially with a Tupac tracK), it does help the mood of the lyrics when a beat matches what the artist is talking about. Eminem completely failed.
2004-12-03, 3:23 PM #30
Do disrespect to the corpse, but tupac sucks
nope.
2004-12-03, 5:35 PM #31
Tempermental, has said everything I wanted to say. Especially the part about no consulting Tupacs friends. Where the hell was Dre on this album? Snoop? 2Pac has released I think 4 albums since his death and no one of his friends but the OUtlaws have been featured. It is dispicable.
In Tribute to Adam Sliger. Rest in Peace

10/7/85 - 12/9/03
2004-12-03, 8:47 PM #32
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Do disrespect to the corpse, but tupac sucks


I'd point out the millions of way's you're completely wrong....But i'll just settle for, you're an idiot.

Ubuu- Yeah, I know. It's totally stupid. The people he was actually CLOSE to and worked with, and of course who knew him best, aren't even considered at the very least, for new albums.

The thing that has a lot of Tupac fans upset with his mother/estate as well, is the recent bootlegging of his new CD, and their response.

Literally millions upon millions of Tupac fans across the world have expressed this disbelief and disgust with how his music and legacy is being handled. They've sent plea after plea, letter after letter, and put up petition after petition. ALL of which have gone unlistened to by the ones producing his music.

Suddenly, about a few weeks ago, Tupac's new CD was leaked to the internet. A lot of Tupac's fans, although displeased with the album, still refused to download it, or at least reported the leaked download links.

Tupac's estate and mother responded by putting a letter out to Tupac news sites (mainly Hitemup.com) saying how happy they were with the fans decision to not bootleg and to let them know, and that they were considered "part of the family" and their opinions were well heard and regarded.

This, to pretty much everyone, was a slap in the face. Because for literally years, their pleas to his mother and record company went ignored, but suddenly, when it came to protecting their money, they were considered part of the family and their opinions suddenly mattered when they were reporting bootleg links. This situation has only escalated the distaste in fan's.

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