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Enigma, Revisited
2004-12-15, 6:49 PM #1
Hey, I'm working on re-recording my solo project. I've only been working on the tone right now, and i'm just wondering about what the tone sounds like for you guys.

in my ears, the whole thing needs to be a bit louder, and i need to make the snare drum a lot more quiet than it is now. make it blend more with the bassdrum's high-freq "click".

anyway, i also added a guitar solo, i'll make it so it's more fluid and doesn't stop between the two main licks (scalar part and swept part).

Anyway, comment on the tone, that's what i want to know. I am not changing the songwriting.

this was all recorded home-made

Enigma - Mix.2
"NAILFACE" - spe
2004-12-15, 6:57 PM #2
I'm listening to it right now. The snare is definitely loud, but the rest of the drum kit should be louder. The cymbals especially. The hi-hat is essential to punching out the rhythm, and it's definitely not loud enough. The bass drum sounds great, but not present enough. The bass doesn't stand out at all, I wasn't even sure if there was any to begin with.

Great playing though. You ****ing rule. :D .|..|
2004-12-15, 7:00 PM #3
hm. well, the bassdrums sound is perfect, that's the tone i wanted. cymbals, well, i lowered the ride alot, but the actual cymbals might not need to be lowered all that much (all done using a synth drum btw)

bass is synth, i wanted to give it a higher freq
"NAILFACE" - spe
2004-12-15, 7:00 PM #4
Most importantly though, the guitar tone is great. Don't change a thing. :)

What drum samples are you using?

The bass drum sound is great, it's just not shaking my headset enough, compared to other metal I'm listening to. I would've tried a little more volume, and a stereo delay on them, but if that's how you like them. ;)
2004-12-15, 7:02 PM #5
i think i cut too much bass frequency. though the stupid synth bass took the low C an octave lower than it was supposed to I think. I'm probably going to work on that.

and thanks, I try :D it's definitely not perfect yet though

I'm working on my new demo (my third now, god time flies), which will contain all 8 compositions on enigmatic journey with some repolished songwriting, the silent night bodom night cover, and 4 new compositions, i have 2 left to do, so it's going to be crunch time during holidays. compose, record, etc.

I love guitar. :o

The drum is a heavily customed nskit, search for it on google.

the tone is really great, i used my boss gt-6's digital spdif out to my computer's digital in. using the mesa boogie preamp sim. it actually does a pretty good job.

the whole thing needs to be wider. I get a feeling of too much "center" sound to the mix. but i definitely do need to ask the help of the music store's soundman because i have no ****ing clue how to make the mix wider. it definitely needs more bass percussion. the bass's passive freq is there, but it's dead dammit! it needs to make your chest shake!!!!
"NAILFACE" - spe
2004-12-15, 7:06 PM #6
<3 Silent Night, Bodom Night!!!!

The bass would definitely sound good with some light overdrive, nice and punchy, picking too hard or a little thumb slapping. I'd offer you my services, but this is your solo project, I suppose you'd want to keep it that way.

The guitar really kicks *** around 2:40.
2004-12-15, 7:10 PM #7
well, I'm looking at a drummer to record a studio version of enigma. if you're interested i'll call you up one of these days, you could come up to Rivière du loup and just record a good bassline. I'd pay for studio time.

this is in a while though, but I'm still interested, I like serious musicians, and you've more than proved your worth as a bassplayer :D
"NAILFACE" - spe
2004-12-15, 7:24 PM #8
Coming from you, I take that as a great compliment. :D

Rivière-du-loup is kind of far from Montreal for a one-day trip. Maybe on one of the first weekends on January :D, after we get back to school (I'll be going back to Sept-Iles for the holidays), other than that it would have to go to my "mi-session" break at the end of Feb./beginning of March. :(

I could also record it on my computer, I've got a nice sound card (24bit, 96khz, 100db SNR), and I can DI my bass into it and add some nice amp sims, but that wouldn't be as fun. :p
2004-12-15, 7:32 PM #9
the bass recordings could work also, but we do need to jam.
"NAILFACE" - spe
2004-12-19, 6:27 PM #10
bump bump
"NAILFACE" - spe
2004-12-20, 1:46 PM #11
I'm getting way too much bass in the song. It really doesn't fit well. I would say back off the bass drum, I think. I like the changes you've made other than that. Just a bit of equalizing.
2004-12-20, 1:49 PM #12
I was bored, so I mixed it with the vocals from The Spirit Within, by Christina Aguilera. It fits amazingly well.
2004-12-20, 2:56 PM #13
The original didnt need much fixing, this one sounds slightly harder but less crisp and clear.

Its quite amusing to think that one of my favourite Rock songs, Enigma, ever is made by some Massassi Geek :D

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2004-12-20, 7:40 PM #14
yes, the whole bass freq needs to be downed. the bass itself needs to be brought up (or recorded!!!)

and thanks clan. i wanted a heavier tone instead of sounding perfect. I like a dirty but clean guitar tone. good midrange instead of the classic scooped mid metallica tone.

still needs lots of tweaking, I'm going to try new recordings with a new tone and new eq-ing to see how it goes...
"NAILFACE" - spe
2004-12-20, 8:07 PM #15
Guitar tone seemed like it needed a bit less mids and bass, and more treble and presence to let it stand out a bit. There wasn't much definition. The percussive bass sound will actually come from a boost in treble frequencies.
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2004-12-21, 5:22 PM #16
Quote:
Originally posted by Seb
yes, the whole bass freq needs to be downed. the bass itself needs to be brought up (or recorded!!!)

and thanks clan. i wanted a heavier tone instead of sounding perfect. I like a dirty but clean guitar tone. good midrange instead of the classic scooped mid metallica tone.

still needs lots of tweaking, I'm going to try new recordings with a new tone and new eq-ing to see how it goes...

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2004-12-21, 8:34 PM #17
thanks lv. I'll check it out. I went a bit mid happy in the mix i think :o
"NAILFACE" - spe
2004-12-22, 3:10 PM #18
Quote:
Originally posted by Seb
yes, the whole bass freq needs to be downed. the bass itself needs to be brought up (or recorded!!!)

Send me a tab, and let me get working on that. :)

Also, after having listened to it quite a few times, I agree the guitar's mids need to be toned down a bit, but NOT scooped. I ****ing hate scooped mids, it just sounds so empty. Might try bring the highs up a bit too, and a stereo delay to give a little more presence.

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