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Where no editor has gone before...
2003-07-24, 12:30 PM #1
A level entirely in deep space with a zero gravity environement. Yes, I know I'm crazy.

[http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/12032.jpg]

I don't know if this is gonna work though. I'm gonna need some cogging help.

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2003-07-24, 12:31 PM #2
Oh and the planet only looks a bit oval right now because I've flagged the sector as "underwater"

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2003-07-24, 12:34 PM #3
I'll help with cogs!

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2003-07-24, 12:36 PM #4
What I need is somekind of system that lets the player move around freely in all three dimentions without generating bubbles, having the pov be disorted and obviousely, without drowning after a certain time. It should also look like the player is swimming. I know it looks unrealistic but it's better than running around in space!

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In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
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2003-07-24, 12:37 PM #5
If this works Flexor, you should try tackling ALL bad methods of level design! You'll rise to fame as the guy who conquored all flaws! [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2003-07-24, 12:39 PM #6
Let's see.. 3dos in a box, zero-g level... all that's left now is a box with concs! (because dflt texture level pack has already been done of course!)

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In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
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2003-07-24, 12:40 PM #7
Is it for JK or MOTS?
If it's MOTS then the concept of my ship cog would allow you to move in all directions [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2003-07-24, 12:50 PM #8
nope. it's JK.

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In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
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2003-07-24, 1:13 PM #9
you could just edit the bubble sprite file to point to a transparent texture.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but shouldn't you die if you "swim" around in outer space without oxygen? Seems like the only proper problem is getting rid of the distorted pov.

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2003-07-24, 1:31 PM #10
Yes but the ENTIRE level is in outer space. It'd be annoying to die automatically after 30 seconds everytime you respawn.

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In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
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2003-07-24, 1:47 PM #11
Maybe you could have somehting to indicate the playable space is pressurized and with air or something.

I also think you shoul duse an in-level Walk-on-Walls for any objects so you could fight more "standard" like on them

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2003-07-24, 1:52 PM #12
if you include a ky.pup and switch key files around so it makes normal movement into the swim movements that would work, I think I've made a flying cog for one of MaDa's levels. I'll be damned if i know where the COG is though.

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2003-07-24, 1:52 PM #13
I didn't read all of the posts, but maybe you could use some sort of jetpack deal like astronauts use when they do space-walks.

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2003-07-24, 2:04 PM #14
i thought there was a sector flag that set a sector to 0 gravity so you could do what you are talking about

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2003-07-24, 2:20 PM #15
Yeah, in the "Level Header Editor" there is a gravity control.

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2003-07-24, 3:16 PM #16
setting the level gravity to zero or flagging the sector as no gravity only allows you to move vertically and not up or down.

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In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
The music industry is a cruel and shallow money trench where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.
2003-07-24, 3:18 PM #17
You mean not side to side, because vertically would mean "up and down" [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

Hmm. This is a good idea though. Keep at it Flexor.

(btw that skybox is nice...you sure do like blue sector tint)

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2003-07-24, 3:26 PM #18
Thanks. I made it all in photoshop.


And yes - I'm a big fan of blue tints. My favorite color is aqua, as you might've guessed.

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In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
The music industry is a cruel and shallow money trench where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.
2003-07-24, 3:29 PM #19
Is that an actual skybox or is it one of JK's weird sky-type textures? If it's a Q3 compatible skybox I NEED IT IMMENSELY. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

Very nice though.

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2003-07-24, 3:34 PM #20
USe similar tactics as seen in Purgatory.
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2003-07-24, 3:54 PM #21
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gonk:
Is that an actual skybox or is it one of JK's weird sky-type textures? If it's a Q3 compatible skybox I NEED IT IMMENSELY. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

Very nice though.

</font>


That's an actual skybox. Took me just a few minutes in photoshop. It's all low res 256x256 and crappy lookin so if you want I can make you a better one for Q3. Just tell me the resolution you want.



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2003-07-24, 3:56 PM #22
1024x1024, never anything else...

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2003-07-24, 3:57 PM #23
Q3 goes that high? Neat.

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2003-07-24, 4:19 PM #24
Yeah 1024x1024, definitely. It'll end up in a cutscene most likely. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2003-07-24, 5:10 PM #25
I and Checksum came up with a fun little jetpack sort of thing. I'll see if we've still got it.

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2003-07-25, 5:33 AM #26
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2003-07-25, 5:35 AM #27
For flying, could you just not use something like the fly cheat? There were even old JK hacks for it, I remember one which let you use the IRGoggles to turn on and off fly mode, and you could move in every direction.

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2003-07-25, 6:24 AM #28
The solution to the realism problem is obvious: dude-in-a-spacesuit player model.


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2003-07-25, 6:37 AM #29
Or go with some sort of Mech idea instead, akin to Gundam.

Good luck, Flexor. Methinks you'll need it.

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2003-07-25, 6:56 AM #30
The actual BEST idea is to have a walk on walls idea, but when the player leaves contact with that surface they fly off in zero g. The problem is, in zero g, you don't have anything to push off of, so you can't really "course correct" except by shooting your high powered rifle...hmmmm

THE PHYSICS, DUKE! THE PHYSICS!!

actually having a zero G level inside a small box with little things to hide behind and stuff...like Ender's Game....oooooh, that's something I might PAY for

*hint*

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2003-07-25, 7:08 AM #31
Yes an enders game type thing would be cool

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2003-07-25, 7:14 AM #32
How about I make it a smallish mod and instead the players would be sentry droids instead of humans? I could also hide the weapon model in first person and make the projectiles go faster so it's less frustrating. That'd also fix the animation problem, All I'd need would be a cog to make the player fly and not be able to walk on any surfaces.

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In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
The music industry is a cruel and shallow money trench where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.
2003-07-25, 10:20 AM #33
WOw what an awesome level, i cant believe no ones ever thought of this before but of course no one probably thought of doing this underwtaer. THye probably would have tried to make a MOD out of it but then they wuldnt konw how to do it :P. so im lookin foward to this level try to put in some blowup ships and rubble....

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2003-07-26, 9:48 AM #34
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Emon:
1024x1024, never anything else...

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...for a skybox. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]


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2003-07-26, 10:12 AM #35
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Flexor:
Oh and the planet only looks a bit oval right now because I've flagged the sector as "underwater"
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Well even our own planet is a bit oval so don't worry about it.


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2003-07-26, 10:17 AM #36
yes but not that much

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2003-07-26, 1:16 PM #37
I know how you can fly AND swim...
We start with the Phisics Flags... Set them right... Use COGWriter if you have to...
Then in the PUP file you change the walk to swim... But if you want the player to walk on surfaces and swim in... "air", you might have to do some Advanced COGing using ParseArg...
Then the matter of the oxygen... How about a force field bubble that contains the air... Touch it and your dead or hurt...

All and all... Very nice! I think I know where you got the swimming in air part from... Unreal Tournament?
And if you want, I could give you some of its music for this level...

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2003-07-26, 1:17 PM #38
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2003-07-26, 1:24 PM #39
Can't use it because its copywritten.

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2003-07-26, 1:34 PM #40
Why would i want UT music? I can make my own!


And a little update: I've decided to make a mod out of it where the player controls smallish ship/droid thingies. When you respawn you'll start by "warping-in" through somesort of starwars-ish hyperspace dimentional warp thingamajig.

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