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2003-08-24, 11:32 AM #1
Early terrain for what will become The Battle of Hoth, a Siege map for JA. The objective is to make the closest possible recreation of the Battle of Hoth, including AT-ATs, snowspeeders, the full seven floors of Echo Base (some are very small, like three are just one room), and perhaps you'll even see movie characters as NPCs, but I'm not sure how I'd work that into gameplay. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

This is the older one only here for the sake of labeling.
[http://massassi.net/ec/images/12297.jpg]

Newer and expanded. Red areas well be removed, and I'm going to make the mountains less of a box shape.
[http://massassi.net/ec/images/12322.jpg]

To get an idea of the scale, you can fit about four men sideways in the trenches.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2003-08-24, 11:42 AM #2
You miss-spelled "enterance".

Looks good, it's huge though... Wouldn't it take forever to cross the map?
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Last Stand
2003-08-24, 11:44 AM #3
Nah... not when you get to ride on taun-tauns. And yeah... you want it to be realistically huge for a seige map.

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The Valley of the Jedi Tower Smaug's Lair
2003-08-24, 11:46 AM #4
Rebels will have speeders and tauntauns, Imperials will have AT-ATs and AT-STs, so no, not that long. However, it's not designed for some quick twenty minute game, it will likely end up much longer.

And you misspelled it too. It's entrance. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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[This message has been edited by Emon (edited August 24, 2003).]
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2003-08-24, 12:26 PM #5
I really like your idea, Emon. I'd probobly get JA just to play this map if the map turns out well. It seems it would be a waste if you couldnt get around 32+ people to play on it at one time though..
2003-08-24, 12:27 PM #6
Looks awesome. Where are you going to get the AT-ATs?

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2003-08-24, 12:28 PM #7
It's 32 through the menu, I think you can force it up to 64 (lag is the issue then). Don't believe what the LEC site says. I mean, it says like, "16 players over LAN or internet in Jedi Outcast".

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2003-08-24, 12:29 PM #8
Corto is or has made and animated an AT-AT, I'll probably use that.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2003-08-24, 1:29 PM #9
I completely forgot about the Tauntauns...

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Emon:
And you misspelled it too. It's entrance. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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I knew that...
"In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams
Are you finding Ling-Ling's head?
Last Stand
2003-08-24, 1:52 PM #10
Cool

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Pissed Off?
2003-08-24, 3:10 PM #11
I may want to get JA more than KotOR now...

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2003-08-24, 4:17 PM #12
How could you ever want to betray your buddies Raven?? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/eek.gif]
DO NOT WANT.
2003-08-24, 5:56 PM #13
...what?

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2003-08-24, 6:21 PM #14
I like it, but is there anyway you can block the movement of a player through some sort of invisible barrier? If that's possible, then where you have the mountain barrier, you could replace it with the invisible barrier (or mabe something like BF1942 has where if you go off the map for too long you start loosing health), allowing the terrain to look more natural.

Just a thought, anyhow. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2003-08-24, 6:22 PM #15
It occured to me, but I'm not a fan of invisible barriers. And besides, I checked the movie, and most of the area is surrounded by mountains.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2003-08-24, 6:47 PM #16
Indeed, it is. Any way you might be able to 'layer' the mountain barrier? Wouldn't have to be much, but just something to kind of break it up a little. I see you've done some, perhaps exagerate it a bit more.

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[This message has been edited by Friend14 (edited August 24, 2003).]
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2003-08-24, 6:56 PM #17
What do you mean? I'm going to make it less uniform looking, and I'll use a portal sky (3D skybox) so it doesn't look bad.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2003-08-24, 7:21 PM #18
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What do you mean?
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Emon:
I'm going to make it less uniform looking, and I'll use a portal sky (3D skybox) so it doesn't look bad.</font>


Yep, that's it. Answered yourself for me. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

Sounds good.

For gameplay, you might want to consider including some npc snowtroopers and echobase troopers for both sides.

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[This message has been edited by Friend14 (edited August 24, 2003).]
Math is infinitely finite, while the universe is finitely infinite. PI = QED
2003-08-24, 7:30 PM #19
I plan to. I'll probably make NPC counts proportional to the maxrate on the server so it isn't so slow.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2003-08-25, 2:35 AM #20
Yeah, NPC characters would be good. If there aren't enough players I get that "lonely" feel.....especially on a map of the magnitude where there are supposed to be hundreds of soldiers.
2003-08-25, 4:14 AM #21
Hmmmm.. Wonderful idea! I was actually planning an SP map for JO/JA that involved the player being a snowtrooper in a strike team. Too long-winded of an idea . . .

What are the objectives? Any clue yet?

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My quote: "People choose to side with the left, and the others choose to side with the right. I go forward."
2003-08-25, 4:26 AM #22
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I see primary objectives for Imperials like this:

1. Break through the main Rebel defense line.

2. Take out the shield generator so reenforcements can land.

3. Override the blast doors on either entrances.

4. Seize the command center.

And secondary objectives like this:

1. Destroy/disable the ion cannon. Perhaps doing so will increase the amount of reenforcements you get?

2. Destroy/disable the power plant, which would take down the ion cannon, and the lights inside the base. I think it would be awesome to run around inside Echo Base when it's running on backup power. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

3. Prevent Rebels from escaping. I think it would be cool if, once the Imperials seize the command center, they win, but the game doesn't end. It might be cool for the Rebels to try to escape to get some extra points, and the opposite for the Imperials. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

And of course, Rebels' objectives are to stop Imperials from doing the above. I very well may think of more secondary objectives, probably of little importance, when I start the inside of the base.
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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2003-08-25, 4:27 AM #23
Emon, dunno if you actually wanted to implement them, but wampa's..??

And, as scripting is possible, please make sure there aren't some jedi-wannabe's crawling all ove the place with some lightsabers...

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2003-08-25, 9:03 AM #24
The objectives look good to me. It's going to be a blast to play. The Battle of Endor is next in line [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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Pissed Off?
2003-08-25, 9:13 AM #25
Gonk may do Battle of Endor.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2003-08-25, 10:10 AM #26
Sweet! I'm gonna get JA just for this level and Battle of Endor! [http://britstorm.co.uk/forums.britstorm.co.uk/images/smilies/misc/Drooling_anim.gif]
DO NOT WANT.
2003-08-25, 12:44 PM #27
I hope you're talking about the non-space portion of the battle of Endor.

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2003-08-25, 12:50 PM #28
Yes Naythn. The fight on Endor, specifically around/in the bunker if possible. (If I can figure out how to do it effectively I'd take a bit of artistic license to make it playable...)

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2003-08-25, 12:51 PM #29
Objectives look good, but it would be tactically a waste to disable the ion cannon with a power plant destroyed? Well, an objective instead might be to seize the cannon and use it to shoot down escaping rebel cruisers. Wouldn't that be fun?

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Multiplayer Game Alias: II88BlackOps
I CAN'T WAIT FOR JK3, DX2, AND HL2. Play ET at the 58 player Nombliz server!
Corrupted Paths, my WIP for JO. Screens here: http://imagebase.freewebspace.com/photo.html

My quote: "People choose to side with the left, and the others choose to side with the right. I go forward."

[This message has been edited by JDKNITE188 (edited August 25, 2003).]
2003-08-25, 1:04 PM #30
JDKNITE, its a secondary objective, and thus, you dont need to do it to win. And because its a secondary objecttive there doesnt have to be any sequence of how things work, like primary objectives do. If the rebels see that imperials are taking over the ion cannon they could shut down the power themselves, so the transports would get away.

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The Valley of the Jedi Tower Smaug's Lair
2003-08-25, 2:51 PM #31
ermmm.. yeah

I hope that the objectives scripting for JA is alot easier than it is for ET... et scripts for building stuff and objectives are a pain in the ***.

I agree with Friend14, a layered mountain system would look nice. Just a gradual rise in inclination until it's too steep for the player to walk on.

Of course you'll need a cieling height for snowspeeders so they can't see over the mountains...

A max view distance will prolly be needed...

hmmm. yes, running around in partially lit Echo base would be incredibly fun. for sabotaging the power (which should be a MAIN objective for the Imps) I reccommend having several large power junctions (with access panels in the walls that reveal bundles of cable) which need to be detonated (perhaps two or three of these, since main power is important to the rebels)


That bunle o' wire thing would look good, just like in the movie too.


anyway, the plan looks great.

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saberopus
2003-08-25, 7:50 PM #32
I didn't want the power plant to be a primary objective because it didn't see it was something they'd have in the movie.

3ds max render for the hell of it.
[http://massassi.net/ec/images/12420.jpg]

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2003-08-25, 8:34 PM #33
Purdyful. Now... get mapping [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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The Valley of the Jedi Tower Smaug's Lair
2003-08-26, 3:39 AM #34
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cazor:
Purdyful. Now... get mapping [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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JA editing tools aren't out yet, chief.

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Multiplayer Game Alias: II88BlackOps
I CAN'T WAIT FOR JK3, DX2, AND HL2. Play ET at the 58 player Nombliz server!
Corrupted Paths, my WIP for JO. Screens here: http://imagebase.freewebspace.com/photo.html

My quote: "People choose to side with the left, and the others choose to side with the right. I go forward."
2003-08-26, 3:45 AM #35
GtkRadiant is... i think you forget all JO maps are directly playable in JA... And by the time JA is released he wouldnt be to the part where he needs anything that only JA has like taun-tauns and stuff. sooo... GET MAPPING!

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The Valley of the Jedi Tower Smaug's Lair
2003-08-26, 4:29 AM #36
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JDKNITE188:
JA editing tools aren't out yet, chief.</font>


Radiant is all the same. Chief.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2003-08-26, 6:02 AM #37
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