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"I was compelled to map. Compelled to diso...bey...ap...shut up!"
2003-09-13, 8:09 AM #1
Cazor will either kill me or hug me for this, so I guess I'll bring it out in the open.

[http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/12725.jpg]
[http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/12726.jpg]

Will somebody tell me how to fix the smoothing groups on the doors? Or even remove them completely?

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2003-09-13, 8:19 AM #2
WHOA!! Straight out of EtM.. though that also means something else: It needs more detail. Especially those beds. They look too bland, and especially those textures need work. Oh, and do you really think someone would have one single painting hanging on the wall multpile times?! Looks pretty good further, just the floor looks as if it has too much contrast. Improve those thingies and this is gonna be.. TMU standard [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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In case you didn't notice in the post above, my English teacher is NOT my best friend...
2003-09-13, 8:38 AM #3
The basic archi is nice, the textures are horrible though. Use some of Cazor's textures, and redo the lighting, The painting and those bed things have to go as well

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Punktkerbe | www.hl2central.net
2003-09-13, 8:40 AM #4
Dude...Cazor's textures? Cazor doesn't make textures. I do. These are the same textures, slightly modified to fit the area.

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2003-09-13, 9:05 AM #5
Well, whatever. The textures Cazor used looked darker/more brown.



[This message has been edited by matrixhacker (edited September 13, 2003).]
2003-09-13, 9:11 AM #6
The floor textures are WAY too busy. Otherwise it looks good.

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Dark, Darker, Darko
I live in the weak, and the wounded.
2003-09-13, 9:57 AM #7
The archi looks ok, but the textures are fugly. Perhaps it's the lighting?
And the floor is to busy.

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2003-09-13, 10:19 AM #8
I think it looks just fine. There is nothing wrong with the textures. Good Job.

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I felt like destroying something beautiful.
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2003-09-13, 10:27 AM #9
The contrast in the floor textures seems a bit distracting, but other than that its great! Oh, and aren't those tables and not beds?

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2003-09-13, 10:37 AM #10
They're beds, it's copied from EtM...

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In case you didn't notice in the post above, my English teacher is NOT my best friend...
2003-09-13, 10:42 AM #11
The beds are also in Reloaded.

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The Valley of the Jedi Tower Smaug's Lair
2003-09-13, 11:01 AM #12
Deliciously sexy.
Reminds me of Rogue Spear
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[This message has been edited by -Monoxide- (edited September 13, 2003).]
2003-09-13, 11:12 AM #13
I don't like the textures...

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Well that's stupid. I'm not buying a so-called Star Wars game that doesn't have Yoda. - Tracer
That painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me.
2003-09-13, 11:18 AM #14
What do you mean by "smoothing groups" on the doors?

The floor texture doesn't look natural. If you are going for a carpet look, the black should be more varied with a gray layer. If you are going for glossy, I am not sure what to say. That solid black is annoying me. Make it more like the "basic" textures of JO.

Textures are a nice start, but the architecture is really too simple.

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2003-09-13, 11:22 AM #15
Smoothing groups...Thrawn, this is not modeling.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2003-09-13, 11:25 AM #16
The doors are models, Emon.

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The Valley of the Jedi Tower Smaug's Lair
2003-09-13, 11:31 AM #17
That reminds me of Rogue Spear to.
BTW thats pretty nice but i still think gothicX is right and you should put different paintings on the walls.

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I was just petting the bunny, and it went into the soup can, and part of my hand went with it. - Red vs Blue
2003-09-13, 12:17 PM #18
I have to agree about the textures. Make new ones. They look worse in this map than they do in Chateau.

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2003-09-13, 12:49 PM #19
We used that texture you made to 'prove emon is right that the old textures lack in detail' as a base. So it is your texture (sort of) in chateau. You will be given credit for it. There seems to be a new texture in this room, so i dont know. :\

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The Valley of the Jedi Tower Smaug's Lair
2003-09-13, 4:02 PM #20
WEE!

[http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/12727.jpg]
[http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/12728.jpg]
[http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/12729.jpg]

Fixed the walls, doors, and floor. Soon I'll add chair models and more different paintings.

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2003-09-13, 4:25 PM #21
Better, but the beds need a lot of work, the windows look like doors.....I don't know...it seems way too cartoony, especially in the doorways between the bedroom things

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Punktkerbe | www.hl2central.net
2003-09-13, 5:01 PM #22
1. The beds need a lot of work? Would you care to tell me what kind of work? I need to know what to fix. And how would you know the windows look like doors? You haven't seen a single good screenshot of the windows so far. The only one that even shows a window is the overhead view, and that's hardly anything to go by.

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2003-09-13, 5:07 PM #23
The floor in the main rooms looks much better, although I would consider eliminating the center black area of the floor in the thin hall (so it's just the beige area with a black trim).

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Dark, Darker, Darko
I live in the weak, and the wounded.
2003-09-13, 5:11 PM #24
In the movie its all black with a tan square, so yeah it has the black box inside it. (thrawn is a realism whore [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif] )

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The Valley of the Jedi Tower Smaug's Lair
2003-09-13, 5:12 PM #25
Would you please change those *@#! pictures!! Ill give you some if you want. Just tell me the pixel size.

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Good. Bad. Im the guy with the gun.
I was just petting the bunny, and it went into the soup can, and part of my hand went with it. - Red vs Blue
2003-09-13, 5:31 PM #26
Every single one of those colours clash! It's UGLY UGLY. I like the archi though.

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Well that's stupid. I'm not buying a so-called Star Wars game that doesn't have Yoda. - Tracer
That painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me.
2003-09-13, 5:32 PM #27
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Prince Xizor:
Would you please change those *@#! pictures!! Ill give you some if you want. Just tell me the pixel size.

</font>


Sure. 512x512, has to be that painting exactly.

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2003-09-13, 7:15 PM #28
I think you people are jumping on the band wagon here. There is nothing wrong with these shots!

He's basing this off the movie he can only change the textures so much!

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I felt like destroying something beautiful.
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2003-09-13, 7:22 PM #29
^what he said. There is nothing wrong with the shots...

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2003-09-14, 3:00 AM #30
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cazor:
The doors are models, Emon.

</font>


Why did he make the doors as models?

Thrawn, nice improvement on the floor texture indeed!

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I CAN'T WAIT FOR JK3, DX2, AND HL2. Play ET at the 58 player Nombliz server!
Corrupted Paths, my WIP for JO. Screens here: http://imagebase.freewebspace.com/photo.html

My quote: "People choose to side with the left, and the others choose to side with the right. I go forward."
2003-09-14, 3:49 AM #31
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cazor:
The doors are models, Emon.</font>


Doesn't matter, since they would be turned into map triangles and lightmapped. Why are they models in the first place?

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2003-09-14, 3:54 AM #32
the colors are fine, they do not clash, they could possibly be a little more paler as they are quite bright at the moment. Looks nice [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif] My only complaint is the orange square benches (benches?). Well whatever they are, they are a tad large and too close to the door, not much room for walking around and i can imagine somebody running through a door and busting their shin on one (ouch). Fix it if you want, had to find something to complain about so i fit in with everybody [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif] (sarcasm people, leave me alone)

-S

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2003-09-14, 4:07 AM #33
Because they are easier to use as models? I dunno.

Regardless of the technical aspects, I think this is quite nice. Keep at it Thrawn.

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2003-09-14, 4:57 AM #34
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Emon:
Doesn't matter, since they would be turned into map triangles and lightmapped. Why are they models in the first place?

</font>


Because in chateau we needed doors to be on an angle and making them brushes either a) at and angle or b) not at an angle and rotating them would both not look good. So we kinda *had* to make the models, and so we use the same doors to keep it looking the same.



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There are two asses in Massassi... and I'm one of them.
The Valley of the Jedi Tower Smaug's Lair
2003-09-14, 6:40 AM #35
the beds look wrong. Add a patch to each side and mess with vertexes a little, to give it a more realistic look.

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In case you didn't notice in the post above, my English teacher is NOT my best friend...
2003-09-14, 6:45 AM #36
Hey Thrawn what do you mean it has to be that picture exactly? Im trying to give you other pics. Ill get a few 512s by 512s in a few.

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Good. Bad. Im the guy with the gun.
I was just petting the bunny, and it went into the soup can, and part of my hand went with it. - Red vs Blue
2003-09-14, 7:17 AM #37
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cazor:
Because in chateau we needed doors to be on an angle and making them brushes either a) at and angle or b) not at an angle and rotating them would both not look good. So we kinda *had* to make the models, and so we use the same doors to keep it looking the same.</font>


Huh? Why wouldn't it look good?

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2003-09-14, 7:27 AM #38
Rotate tool makes things all ditorted. And most of the angles that i had to put the doors on werent easy things to make them out of brushes. I could have done it if the walls were all at 45 degrees, but they arent. Models were the only realistic way to do it.

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The Valley of the Jedi Tower Smaug's Lair
2003-09-14, 8:34 AM #39
Why rotate in the first place?

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2003-09-14, 8:37 AM #40
Because there are walls that are at angles, and the doors need to be aligned with that angle. Bottom line: They need to be models. So we can just stop argueing [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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[This message has been edited by Cazor (edited September 14, 2003).]
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