Partly inspired by Asp's non-stop action levels:

My first work in JED, it'll probably never get released because I don't have time right now to learn how to edit.
Anyway, comments?
EDIT: Added more stairs, round columns, some cool pipes on the side, and a bridge in the middle.

[This message has been edited by Evil_Tofu (edited January 05, 2004).]

I agree

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At least it isnt a box, like a lot of everyone else's first released level. With that in mind you could say this is wonderful for your first try ever. Good job.

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Is this a cut of a 3do that you're going to put in a skybox as a level? On it's own, it doesn't look right as a level, looks inverted. Like you mean for positive space instead of negative, which is why I was wonderin if it's supposed to be a 3do. If it's negative, I'm lost and confused as to the purpose of many of those cleaves. Perchance a 3d preview shot?

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Judging by the design, SniperWolf, I'd wager that it has to be a 3do. And since this is his first JED endeavor, maybe he's unfamilair with negative space editing. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't see how an open valley between two buildings might make a nonstop action level, or maybe it would since it's just open space, but for the beginning of a first level, good show.

Meh, like I said, it's not finished and it'll probably never get done. And I have no idea what "negative space" is.

Basically it looks like you've drawn boxes where you want there to be solid objects like the floor. That's how JO and JA work.

JK works in the opposite way - you create an area where the player can walk around, jump, swim, etc, so a single box creates a room. If you're interested in taking it on further you should look at the tutorials on Massassi.

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I'm making a fast-paced action level based on our game last night too Tofu.

Perhaps you should learn negative space first.

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Yes, you should really read the tutorials on Massassi, mainly ramps and catwalks, as these deal with the basics of negative space editing. To explain it simply, negative space assumes the entire game universe is a solid mass. The sector you create are pieces you've cut out of that block, so the sectors are empty space, everything else, is solid. Positive space, everything's empty, and what you create are walls, floors, etc. This can be done in JK, by creating a big empty sector, and then using 3do's. Need more info, read the tutorials, and look at the JKL's of nice but simple levels like BGJ or something.

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Yes ill have to agree with all of you. The only way to save your level now is to make that a 3do and put it in a skybox or something overwise your going to have a very odd level.

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I'm sure he knows about JED's concept of negative space editing or it's in his plan to make it a 3do. I mean that's the kind of no brainer after you've made a dflt box.

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What are the downsides of makin it a 3DO and how would I do it?

Ok to make it a 3do you need to change all the sectors flags to "prieview as 3do" I think the number is 8000000 but dont use that cause i may have the wrong number of zeros.

Then texture all the surfaces how you want. At the end multi-select all the sectors and press file, export sector(s) as 3do. Save the 3do somewhere.

Now start a new project. For this project you may want a skybox and maybe some skybox textures. Now since massassi mat section is down I went out of the goodness of my heart to put the textures on my server. Also with the 2 downloads above I cant link you straigh to the download so you goa have to look for skybox prefab in the first one and skyoxes in the second one. And also if you relese this you have to give credit to the people who made the skybox and the skybox mats. Those people are as follows:

Skybox prefab: DeTRiTiC-iQ

skybox mats: Im not entirly sure but I think its cave_demon

Now that you have your skybox and its textured and im going to assume you have a project directory. Put a folder in your directory called 3do then put your 3do you made in that directory.

Then in jed press tools, template creator. Now click the button that says 3do and then press the tab on the new window that says 3do and select your 3do. No click the button next to where it say parent template and look for _walkstruct. Now press the box where it says template and write what you want it to be called. Now press save then insert a thing into your level and change it to be the 3do you made.

If you have any questions email me and also on a minor note if your a newb and your making a multi player level then make sure you have at least 2 walkplayers in your level.

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[This message has been edited by a_person (edited January 03, 2004).]

[This message has been edited by a_person (edited January 03, 2004).]

Actually Axis, he said he has no idea what negative space is. The downsides to 3do's... you can't directly act towards a surface... so if you want a switch, you're either going to have create an actual surface, or a seperate thing, or else the entire thing would act as a switch, which would be ugly. So cogging can be more difficult at times. You have to ensure a certain 3do thickness throughout, or characters can fall through the 3do. Sometimes odd things can happen with 3do's as well. Just visually and with interactions. It has to do with the fact that if I remember correctly, they used parts of another engine as the basis for displaying and interacting with 3do's.

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I'm working on this with him. Hopefully I can convince him to stick with it and get something out of this. Maybe we'll get updated shots? Who knows. THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME.

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Ok, I'm working on stairs now, so it could take awhile. Maybe I'll finish them tomorrow. Anyone have any tips for making stairs quicker?

Theres a plugin for it. Lemme find it real fast and upload it for you. Here http://24.198.18.46/ijk/laggyboy/StairCrazy.zip there ya go.

That plugin is probably actually more work than just doing it by hand. Some quick math and a nice consistent style can really speed it up.

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I agree its way faster to do stairs by hand than that plugin. But you just have to watch that the stairs actually can be walked up.

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Not if you're doing them right. The best way is probably ramp method as it also helps ensure smooth movement. (The stairs are triangular sectors, and the walking surface is like a ramp over them...) You can do without this, but for moderately high stairs, you'll get a stop and go effect.

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Good grief, man!

That's enough surfaces to kill a baby rhinocerous. At this point, it wouldn't work even as a 3do. <:S

[sarcasm] Yes you do! [/sarcasm]
Really, that looks nice (especially for a first level).

I use the Staircrazy Plugin because I'm too lazy to do it by hand, except maybe like 2-5 stairs.

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Oh boy, first off, he'd be lucky to fit his foot on those stairs... Heck, he'd be lucky on tiptoe. Second, please merge sectors. As 3do's, sectors can be nonconvex. Take advantage of this. Make the stairs bigger, as well, and fewer. (You can see how small they are by the walkplayer). JK kinda dies after several thousand polys generally. It would possibly still run on a monster system, but more common ones will probably be slowed down majorly, if not frozen. Not to mention at that many, you'll probably have to seperate it a bit into different layers. There's some limitation on vertices/surfaces per piece of a 3do.

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yea you didnt do the stairs big enough. I hope for your sake you made a backup copy cause no-one will want to play on unwalkable stairs. O yea the other bad thing with 3do's is you cant do very good lighting with them. O well maybe you should of considered learning negative space.

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hello.
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The stairs aren't that big. The player should be able to walk up them.
And also, I already said this probably won't be released, I'm just playing around in JED.

you really should do a test run of this. merge the sectors into clusters, layer each cluster... and so on. i think we would all benefit from some in-game shots.

Thats the problem the stairs are 2 small.

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... no, they're too big.

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No look at the walkplayer thing in the middle. definatly to small. If you make stairs that look squre like this:

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it wont work you need stairs like this.

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see what i mean ive made this mistake before so i know how it works.

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[This message has been edited by a_person (edited January 08, 2004).]

I was thinking... It probably wont work i cant be surtain cause i dont have the project to look at but you may be able to get those stairs walkable if you scale the whole level up by [1.3, 1.5, 1.7, 2] Im not eactly sure what number to pick but scaling could be your best option if your stairs dont work.

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a_person, for future reference, if you use the code tags, you can have multiple spaces, like this:



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[This message has been edited by DSettahr (edited January 09, 2004).]

Of course, it all depends on what you want to do with teh rest of the staircase. If you're changing the top's elevation, then you wouldn't want ot use that method. Efficiency reasons.



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