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The evolution of a bad guy
2004-05-09, 1:50 PM #1
(first of all, please don't start giving me compliments or flames for the modelling. In NWN, there are 15 parts for each armor where you can choose what the appearance must look like, as well as the color. I can only give a character a certain look with the existing parts, but I couldn't model anything specific)

I'm currently DMing a module in Neverwinter Nights for a group, using an already existing module, and building/replacing/removing resources in it to suit my own purposes. One of the things that I noticed awhile ago is that I completely disliked what one of the main villains in the storyline looked like...

[http://stud.hro.nl/0751443/badguy_first.jpg]

So, I went into the Neverwinter Nights Toolset and started changing the armor and the helmet. I turned the villain into a female(as that's what she's supposed to be), made a few changes here and there, modified the helmet, as well as give her a sword of her own for good measure. In the end, I got the following result...

[http://stud.hro.nl/0751443/badguy_second.jpg]

... something that I pretty liked. However, I did receive some feedback from the friendly folks over at #massassi. Apparantly, she didn't look threatening enough for a bad guy, especially due to her build. So I reverted the armor back to the male model, made some more changes, and got the following result...

[http://stud.hro.nl/0751443/badguy_third.jpg]

Any particular feedback on what I could change?

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The answer is maybe.
2004-05-09, 1:52 PM #2
Bad guy with a teapot on his head? (first pic)

I like the last one, nothing I can think to change.

And the second is like a sexy lady.

The third one r win.


[Edit: I think the 3rd guy with the first guys sword might look nice]
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Originally posted by Elana14: i would love a dong like that!

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2004-05-09, 1:53 PM #3
his armor should be so black that it seems to suck the very light from any room he enters

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2004-05-09, 1:53 PM #4
Second model was much better, imho.

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2004-05-09, 1:59 PM #5
if you really want evil...
you could always model your bad guy after this

i guy who looks like that doesn't require anyone to say he's the bad guy for you to figure it out...

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2004-05-09, 2:08 PM #6
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Bad guy with a teapot on his head? (first pic)</font>

I know, that's one of the first reasons why I wanted to do a complete overhaul.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">his armor should be so black that it seems to suck the very light from any room he enters</font>

Well then, for your approval, here's what it would look like(with the red colors tho', those are most likely stay)...

[http://stud.hro.nl/0751443/badguy_fourth.jpg]
I'm not too certain myself about this one. It does look intriguing and I might consider keeping him like that, but right now, I'm not too sure.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Second model was much better, imho.</font>

I still have a soft spot for that one as well... I'll most likely end up recycling that one somewhere down the road.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">if you really want evil...
you could always model your bad guy after this

i guy who looks like that doesn't require anyone to say he's the bad guy for you to figure it out...</font>

*chuckles* Well, although I do want the bad guy to look evil, there's also a reason why he's masked like that. Still, it is a bloody good look, I might want to use that one for a warlord or a general or some such...

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The answer is maybe.
2004-05-09, 2:10 PM #7
Pic 3 + sword of Pic 1 = SEX

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Originally posted by Elana14: i would love a dong like that!
Think while it's still legal.
2004-05-09, 2:15 PM #8
[http://stud.hro.nl/0751443/badguy_five.jpg]
Having gotten used to the Greatsword that he was originally carrying, this looks a little bit less... imposing.

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Burrie - an old, pissed, dillusional, ghetto Scott-Dutchman with an Austrian accent
The answer is maybe.
2004-05-09, 2:53 PM #9
truly imposing bad guys don't wear helmets [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]
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2004-05-09, 3:15 PM #10
*cough* [http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/9030.jpg]

anyway, its looking good!

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2004-05-09, 3:29 PM #11
The Witchking (heheheh, that oxymoron always makes me laugh) had one of the best helms ever built. i'm personally waiting for the release of Dungoen Siege II, so i can remake that helm, and then improve upon it.

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2004-05-09, 6:32 PM #12
I don't mean to hijack (really I don't) but this is what I had in mind for evil guy.
[http://public.csusm.edu/bcline2000/imgs/evil_guy.jpg]

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2004-05-09, 9:56 PM #13
NONE shall pass! [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

I like the second one, because it's all slender effeminate spiky and insect-like evilness.

Third one is alright, but it doesn't look quite as imposing. Angular plate-mail on the leggings and upper arms would look more eeeeville.
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2004-05-10, 2:43 AM #14
it's different if they don't have a face, but the helmet has to be open so you can see they don't have faces [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]
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2004-05-10, 6:19 AM #15
You should make the bad guys class half-orc so he looks really strong. You should also change the voice set to the bugbear chieftain to make him sound scary. Thats what I always do when I create a boss. :P

Also add more spikes to the armor, it'll make him look cooler. Oh and one more thing you could do is when giving the attributes to the armor, add light and make it red. That way everything around him will turn red.

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2004-05-10, 1:58 PM #16
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DeTRiTiC-iQ:
truly imposing bad guys don't wear helmets [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]</font>


[http://home.comcast.net/~10kg22moller87/saurons_helmet.jpg]

they don't get much more imposing than that.

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2004-05-10, 1:59 PM #17
errr, i meant before their decapitated head is lying at the feet of the whimpering enemy who by chance defeated them.

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2004-05-11, 7:48 AM #18
Since this is a site for a Star Wars game, I'll have to put this here. (In response to the imposing bad guys don't wear helmets...)

[http://blargh.mine.nu/test/198/8.jpg]

At least I felt Vader was imposing when I first saw him... the dark James Earl Jones voice, tall imposing character in black armor...
Hmm, Boba Fett too I guess, lol. Robotic voice, lacking humanity.
Until I saw these movies several times, anyways.

Anyways, I say darker armor. Dark black armor, kill most of the spikes. Any way to get less ornamented armor? Unless you want to change the pic of your dark armor, back into a female, lol. Hmm, what makes a bad guy imposing isn't necessarily what he looks like (though that'll play a role in it), or what he sounds like (once again, plays a role, but...), but most importantly, the presence he creates. This is an odd example, as I'm referencing anime, but Legato of Trigun comes off as an amazingly evil character. Despite the fact he's good looking and wears white. Part of the evil quality is owed to his almost seductive nature, reminiscent of a vampire. Vampires are another good example. They aren't really supposed to look horribly evil, but they carry an air, a presence of evil. My opinion on it anyways. (Those were the first examples to come to mind... there's several more of course)

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2004-05-13, 10:39 AM #19
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by saberopus:
errr, i meant before their decapitated head is lying at the feet of the whimpering enemy who by chance defeated them.

</font>


umm, i do believe that was the movie rendition of the story for time's sake, i mean why would Sauron be afraid of Isildur's heir if Isildur defeated him by chance......

EDIT- the second picture looks like the face got smashed flat with a frying pan [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif] i suggest you give the third helmet more depth too [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]
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2004-05-15, 7:51 AM #20
I like the helmet on the female version the most. But the anorexic-chicken-legs are way too thin.

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2004-05-15, 10:33 AM #21
Instead of the regular sword from pic 1, try a longer blade-not a wavy one like before- with the red death-glow. I like that term, death-glow. Maybe make the glow a bit darker in color, too.
The red shoulder pads and other red might need to be a little darker, too...give her a little darker feel.

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