Oh my god yes.

If they're SWAT, what are they doing in a "military-controlled building" instead of out doing drug busts and chasing Trinity or whatever?

No, I think they're soldiers. :p

I just realized that those aren't tech-9s... they're micro-uzis! They need to be much smaller.

Yea, I did. There's no way a Glock is that same proportions as a Desert Eagle. Any why can't you wrap the hands around the gun? JO and JA did it?

exactly.

Good work. I have no complaints.

It's a bit strange gun for such a helicopter, but you must be right. It has been a long while since I saw the movie, so I cannot really comment on anything.

That glock is too big. The Glock 18c is a relatively small gun. It's on scale now with a Colt 1911... Which is too large. It needs to be slightly smaller. Even the one in his other hand. Trust me here. I kind of have the airsoft version.

Even Neo would not be able to withstand the recoil of a detached minigun. But hey, why try to be realistic if you can be cool?
Ever thought about releasing this stuff in several parts?

The hands are already set to fit around JA guns, not TMU guns. And going by the bone list in Dragon, the hands don't have any bones.

Wha? The hands have bones, they're just annoying, because they basically have just 3 fingers with 2 joints each, unlike the 5 digits with 3 joints we 'real' humans have. Interestingly enough, the JO skeleton has much more complete hands. The idea is that less bones == less transformations to be done by the game engine.

0_o

hell yeah he could. he's the friggin one. but yeah, its just cool. i mean jesse ventura (hah, my former governer) had a minigun in predator. i dunno how well it would work with several parts, since we're using an install sheild... so i think it would have to be all one...unless it juts pust files in the correct folders, then it could be in parts, but if you've got a download manager (which every 56ker should!(i was one, so dont yell at me!)) then its basically the same thing as several downloads. the only real 'parts' is gonna be the whole mod and then a seperate file with just the playermodels.cause those geekanerds at lucaforums are totally insane for that kinda stuff. *cough*

Just judging from what I saw in the original Matrix, I thought the gun mounted on the helicopter (I didn't recoignise which model it was, though) was a full M134 minigun, not an xm214 "mini-minigun." Just a minor detail I had to pick on, to prevent me from losing all control of my bodily functions when I looked at those shots. Also, miniguns look better in chrome, as it goes with black so well.

I am not up to commenting too much on the other guns, though... Aside from the fact that those mini-uzis look closer in size to full uzis (a bit of exxageration, I'll admit :p)

Also, what is that pistol that Morpheus is using? It looks like an M1911 to me... At least, more than a Glock 18.

[edit: correction; after comparing photos of the two to the model, it is most definitely a Glock 18, though big enough to be a M1911.]

That's because you're right.

He's only right because he's a goldanged liar. >.>

Wrar.

Anyway, "be" is a sentence fragment anyway.

Trust me. I've played with the JA models; there are bones in the hands. Primitive bones, but bones nontheless. Why not just use JO player-bones? JA can use JO models, right?

JediKirby

Yes, but it screws up the hands. :p

Anyway, I guess I couldn't find the finger bones. :\

I think that neo's hand isnt placed right on the big gun. Place it more tightend around that thing

The problem isn't Neo using a minigun, so much, it's that he's using it when he's wearing his Reloaded duds! :p

Like the others have said, Trinity and Morpheus' machinepistols are a bit big and not too well aligned to their hands. But I'm sure it'll get worked out somehow.

The models are good, very good. I would have personally used the original M16 as a basis instead of the M16A1, but a minor complaint.

Considering it's a "military controlled building", and that we already saw generic "Police" wearing true SWAT gear earlier in the movie, they are soldiers. Guard duty sucks for them, but someone's gotta do it, eh?

Salvy's working on Neo's original outfit. STILL. :p

Read this, scroll down a bit first. An with "parts" I meant something like monthly downloads. You know, big releases are becoming less popular in the future. Whole games are going to be released in parts.

I'd kill Newell if he did that with Half-Life 2.

That would make i difficult to install everything at once.

Ah, but is this a "realism" mod, or one that's based off of a Hollywood movie? People can't fly or dodge bullets, either.

Yeah. And hey, I like miniguns, so...

Neo can fly, ressurect, alter his surroundings, etc... something tells me recoil won't make a difference to him and you'd be silly to think otherwise.

There should still be a level where you get to use a mounted minigun like in the movie. Don't know how one would pull it off in MP, but there should be a way somehow.

you cant do manned turrents on vehicles(as of now... not sure if coding can ever get that working(at least thats what i have been told)), only AI turrets.

Only in your mind you can't.

But seriously, if it's really impossible, just have the helicopter go on a track. It was done in SoF2, ain't no reason to believe it can't be done in JA.

er, i dont think you understood... if we were to have a helicopter, it would be a vehicle, and it requires a lot of coding for a secondary manned turret to work. we're prolly not gonna have some peice of architecture that you can use the turret from just hovering outside a building(that would only really work if it was a seperate stage and it was SP), if anything we're gonna code it and you actually fly it from the rooftop to the window, shoot it out, and get morpheus.

if not, it can be like more of an america's army kinda thing like if the good guys get to the heilicopter on the roof with the heli on it, then they win the round, if the bad guys stop them from doing so, they win. kinda like AA and CS.

Actually, I think what Jovan suggested can be done, with scripting.

Yeah but the Minigun was mounted, to think of all miniguns are. at least in reality, but then again the matrix has never been reality lol, but nevertheless a minigun is made for vheicle use only.:D

yeah it can be done, thrawn... but not all in a one stage MP level.

Hmm, I'm still not sure if Neo could use a xm214 unmounted. It produces around 110kg recoil force, whereas, for flying, he only has to produce more force than his bodyweight (around 70kg for the whimpy Neo)...now, what if his limit of force production is at 80kg?

Ok, heres some facts for you non believers then...

Concrete has a net strength of 50,000 psi
And has a general weight of 150lbs / ft^3

The strength it would take to remove a metal bar, weighing roughly 25-30 lbs, sunk about a foot into layed concrete, one handed, would roughly take about 50,525 lbs of pure force.

This number is achieved by using the formula: (M x A) + P = F
(Mass x Acceleration) + Pressure = Force

( 175lbs x 3'/s^2 ) + 50,000lbs = 50,525

Factoring in the strength of the concrete to Newton's original formula: F = M x A

Even without my attempt to factor in the strength of the concrete, to move the pole with a 1 ft cube of concrete attached would require about 525 lbs. of force at 3'/s

Now double that force required (he has 2 hands), factor in the amount of visible strain on the body (which was barely any) and you can try to find Neo's maximum force production.

Feel free to correct me if im wrong, but chances are it wont make much of a difference when comparing to fighting the strength of recoil of an XM214

matrix != matrix reloaded

so.. then you could be reloaded or revolutions neo, and it would make perfect sense. besides... actully. yes, neo had most of the powers he had at the end of the first one as he did in reloaded. so yes, parts of the matrix that pertain to what we're talking about = matix reloaded.

oh yeah. and its science-FICTION. ahem.

Well, Jedi Salvation is correct. He forgets, though, that Neo is very smart. He does not have to use brute force to remove this metal bar. I think he is actually transmitting a vibration with very high frequency to the bar by touching it. This vibration destroys the compact structure of the concrete, allowing him to pull it out with ease.
Swinging it is also not too force intensive, since he can use the weight of the concrete block to his advantage (like a pendulum).
Of course, this is all bull****. I just hope to make you angry, so that in order to shut me up, you release an action Neo with a minigun in both hands, doing a Max Payneish tiger leap while firing some 300 Bullets a second.

300 bullets... a second? That's a lot of lead flying through the air.