I've been thinking about the JK Remodel/reskin project and I remembered that I was redoing the concussion rifle. Well, since there's no official design for the Conc, I went hunting. I googled and found a nifty little picture with a collapsing stock rifle. At first I was thinking repeater, then after I got abotu half way through modeling it, it turned out to obviously be the conc. Design credit goes to Stephen McAndrews.







OH, by the way, click for much bigger pictures. A lot of the lost detail is in those.

Model Name: ConceptConc.ms3d
Build Time: 5 hours give or take an hour
Polygons: 1688 Tris
Game: JK/MotS/* (JK Remodeled Mod)

What I need to know from you is if I should put the scope that you see in the concept sketch. I also want to know if you guys are okay with the fact that it doesn't look like JK's concussion rifle at all. Unless any of you have any suggested ways to get detail out of JK's representation of a conc? I'm open to concept sketches, detailed ones, if anyone's interested.

And beyond it's use, how's the model?

Questions, Comments, Yoda's Tonail Clippings?

JediKirby

Kirby that gun is pretty sexy. Please don't urinate on me. >.>

It's too cookie-cutter (flat) for my tastes. Don't get me wrong, you did some excellent work, but most of it just seems flat. I wish I could help more than that, but I was never that imaginative to give good suggestions on how to fix it.

While I do admit it is rather flat, not much can be done about it. Anything sticking out would severelly interfear with the elbow or cheek, considering it's a rifle. Not to mention, the shape itself isn't uniform enough to have any nicely shaped random extrudes and still look good. Think P90 and accept it's lack of shapes. I COULD put a horizontal indent and bring the upper sight out some. I'll think about it.

[edit]Now that I look at it in MS3D, I see a few things I could do to give the base of the model some shape. It'll take a bit of remodeling, but nothing I can't handle. I'll get around to that some other day. Right now, I want to retackle the raildet. I'm having trouble fitting the whole shape of the raildet together.[/edit]

JediKirby

Great gun. Final flatness can be avoided by using appropriate textures.

I still want to know your opinions on the part where this gun replaces the conc, and is named 'concussion rifle.'

Grip is too thick. Make the grip part slimmer tan the rest of the conc.

Add some compensator vents on top of the barrel for great justice as well.

Can't make the grip smaller without massive remodeling efforts. I might end up doing that, though.

It's a nice gun, but it looks just a tiny bit too small to be a conc rifle. Maybe if you added another tank of compressed air, or something, sticking out of the side at the back? That'd fix the whole too flat thing too...

But I can't really tell how well it will fill the boots of conc rifle, until I see it textured!

It looks incredible, but like GhostofYoda said, it seems a little small. If it does end up being the new conc, I second the vote for compensator vents.

I think it looks pretty darn awesome. As Zagibu said, texturing will make a world of difference. I personally also think it will make a great alternative to the original JK Conc, since you obviously didn't have much to work with there, as you observed. :p

I'd love to see this Rail-Det though, easily one of JK's coolest guns. Curious: what is your total progress on weaspons/objects/models/etc. for this project? I'd really like to see a culmination in this thread of all your progress thus far - which is currently just sitting on your hard drive I guess. Also, don't you DARE risk losing all that - I hope you've backed up your files to China and it would be a good idea to email your progress to some trusted friends/Massassians every once in a while, just in case.

It just doesn't look like a conc to me. The conc was a massive, long, meaty gun. You would be better off working from the original Dark Forces sprites. The artist you took the design from even called it an SMG.

Progress on the weapon side of the mod:


My bowcaster model textured by Shred

Shred's hands and textures, my Bryar

I've currently got 3 different designs going for the repeater, none of which I really like all that much. The raildet is going fine, but I have to fit everything together so the new animation of the raildet 'falling' and sliding into the berel works correctly. The E-11 I'll probably already do, but I think Shred's already got one in mind. Anyway, I need to redo my current e-11 anyway, so he and I will decide which one is worth going into the mod.

Other than that, I haven't really thought all that hard about sequencer charges since that's rather easy. Same with thermals. The only thing I have to really tackle is the lightsaber and the repeater.

Shred's player models so far are the stormtrooper, Kyle, Gran, Yoda, and Yun. I believe he plans to slowly but surelly get all the characters in JK modeled and textured. After that we'll have some pretty visuals for the game. Then we'll update the blaster bolts so they look nice, probably put some better explosion effects in, etc. Once all that's done, we'll have a pretty retexturing/remodel of JK. I'm even tempted to go through and redo some MP levels.

JediKirby

Hint: JK Editing Hub

Laziness is not tolerated.

I think this gun needs a longer bigger barrel to be called the JK concussion rifle.

Instead of knobs/stuff extruding from the sides (and getting in the person's cheek) try pushing spots in, make indents and groves. Add seams where pieces fit together, etc.

I'd like to see more of the bowcaster, but the new conc looks like a toy. :\

Nice models but the conc looks like a water gun to me... I'd make it more of a bulky beast (maybe similar to Q2's rail gun type thing)

In your reference pic, I say do the one of the bottom for the CONC.

Personally, I'd prefer just an updated, higher-quality model of the old conc, but this new one isn't half bad either

Hey Kirby, when this is done, would you allow me to include it in Omega? Please? Pretty, pretty please?


Heck, I'll even include a cherry.

The models look great. I'm looking forward to see what you do with the rail det. As for mines, I would be satisfied with any improvements, but I envisioned them to be more like the Nergon 14 charges used by Han Solo in RotJ to bring down the shield generator station.

kirb, i will love you if you make it like the Repeater from DF, that was the one thing that annoys me most about JK is the repeater change

I can even tolerate JK's repeater, but JO's heavy repeater... good gravy.

Anyhow, the model looks nice, but it's not a conc! The DF conc recreated would be cool though.

This is a conc.

I agree. It's a very nice model, but it doesn't look very powerful, and when I first saw it I thought "Wow, a super soaker 180!"

I suppose once it's textured it'll look more dangerous, but I've always thought of the conc rifle as a big heavy thing, sort of like the Redeemer from UT.

I've already decided to do a DF style conc. I'm using this model for a random weapon, but it more than likelly won't be in the reskin mod.

Instead, I'll post a very swank repeater model that I based generally on this model's design once I get home tonight. After that, I'll move onto the DF conc.

I'd LOVE it if any of you artist types would be willing to draw out the DF conc so I don't have to get artistic with some of the pixelated .spr files.

JediKirby