I finished my latest animation!

Since we can't link to a certain website that hosts flash movies, I'll just put this here...and you guys can figure it out for yourselves...and then leave comments and such on this thread....That is all.

/portal/view/287529

[QUOTE=Victor Van Dort]I finished my latest animation!

Since we can't link to a certain website that hosts flash movies, I'll just put this here...and you guys can figure it out for yourselves...and then leave comments and such on this thread....That is all.

/portal/view/287529[/QUOTE]
Or you could host it on your own site or post a link to a site that just links to newgrounds.

Eh, I thought it was alright. I mean, it's done well enough, I'm just not really laughing at the content or anything *shrug*

Couldn't do it without SOAD, eh?

Great art, stupid story, and immature comedy. Great candidate for newgrounds.

Damn straight on all accounts.

Yeah, I'm sorry, but it really wasn't funny. Your artwork is great, though, and a walking animation for C3PO would be nice. :/

No need for a walking animation when it's there for less than 2 seconds.

fair crude

dumb

Lacks style, finesse, polish, actual attention to the artwork (it was good, but you screwed up places where it's easy to see you could've done perfectly fine), and humor.

Awesome. I liked the end song.

If that isn't going out of your way to be a jerk, I dunno what is. Style, finesse, polish, attention to the artwork? Show me some places where I 'screwed up'. I think I would notice if I had screwed up after having fine-tweeked this animation for a few hours yesterday.

i knew without seeing who made this topic that it was sajn...

some of the animation was nice. but the shape tween you had on the droids to "open" them or whatever was really poor.


That and I didnt laugh.

That was incredibly stupid, and not funny

The people at newgrounds found it funny enough to add it to the Star Wars collection page on newgrounds as well as add 'Gollum Loves Muffins' to the Lord of the Rings collection page. Not only that, but I was also mentioned in todays news post I was mentioned as being one of the popular artists to have released new content (There are hundreds of new flash animations put on newgrounds a day). So even if you don't find this type of humor funny, other people do.

Yeah, thats a given, your e-penis is huge... quit getting so *****y because some people don't like it.

[QUOTE=Victor Van Dort]If that isn't going out of your way to be a jerk, I dunno what is. Style, finesse, polish, attention to the artwork? Show me some places where I 'screwed up'. I think I would notice if I had screwed up after having fine-tweeked this animation for a few hours yesterday.[/QUOTE]
The pelvis of the robot on three PO is out of wack, the legs are rounded weirdly, no real fluid movement animations, the doors opening part was cheesy, the final er...protrusion from the planet was rather shoddily done. Like I said, the artwork was done well, but there wasn't any polish, finesse, or style (unless you call laziness a style). Something that would be better is an animation that you can't tell is flash. Those are the kinds of animations I enjoy. I'm not trying to be a jerk, though you can take it as you will, I'm giving constructive criticism.

And finally, realize, it's newgrounds. They're not the end-all of intelligence on the internet, and I'd compare them to something like the fark commentative section (no offense to you farkers out there, I'm not talking about the forums).

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Lacks style, finesse, polish, actual attention to the artwork (it was good, but you screwed up places where it's easy to see you could've done perfectly fine), and humor.[/QUOTE]

I fail to see how any of these except humor really apply to a wang joke.

I liked 3po's voice. A lot.

I'm talking about the artwork, not the actual joke. At the end of the day, artwork is what sells an animation to me (ie things like Bitey of Brackenwood. In and of itself, it doesn't have a great story or other such elements to draw me into the animation, but the beauty, attention to detail, and time spent on it makes it just plain amazing.)

Crappy acting can still ruin a comedy film.

The pelvis is fine, the legs are fine. You are wrong. C3P0 and R2D2 were both drawn from the actual cartoon clonw wars version of themselves. Any mistake you see, isn't a mistake. They are actually drawn like that.



Your right, I should have made C3PO have a nice big floppy wang so I could have spent a few days animating that, and I think I should have made R2D2 skip with a basket of roses..Yeah. There isn't any need for 'fluid movement' with a 60 second flash about robots and spaceships. R2D2 just glides....C3PO walks all wobbly, and I figured for the less than 2 seconds you see him walk..it wasn't work making him walk.



The doors opening and the final 'protrusion' were the two most complicated, polished, and un-shoddy parts of the animation. Nothing was shoddily done in those two scenes. Those two scenes are what took me so long to make this. People that have actually worked with flash before have complimented me on the door scene, because they know how complex it was. Each puff of smoke, each door, each lightning bolt, and every other object has to have it's own layer, and each layer needs to get animated seperatley. Same thing with the end scene. That scene had two layers for the planets because I needed the ship to erupt from the planet I needed a layer for the stars and a layer for the planet, and a layer for the ship...and for c3po...and for the lasers (two for the lasers). Also when the entire camera shakes, that involved taking all of the layers and making them shake seperatley to get the cool effect of the ship erupting out of the planet. So before you go and tell me that I didn't put any effort into this and that I am lazy, why don't you try to make a flash animation of your own. Until you do, stfu, because you don't know jack about flash. I can take it when people say it isn't funny, beacuse my sense of humor is rather weird, and I know a lot of people don't have that same sense of humor, but calling my animation shoddy and me lazy?

[QUOTE=Victor Van Dort]The pelvis is fine, the legs are fine. You are wrong. C3P0 and R2D2 were both drawn from the actual cartoon clonw wars version of themselves. Any mistake you see, isn't a mistake. They are actually drawn like that.[/quote]
Then improve it. I could tell it was off the minute I saw it. Not only that, but I've tried copying things before and it hasn't come out quite right. I can tell that's EXACTLY how this was done. I was wondering why the artwork was so good. this != your version of C3PO, and anyone who takes two looks at both will agree.

[QUOTE=Victor Van Dort]Your right, I should have made C3PO have a nice big floppy wang so I could have spent a few days animating that, and I think I should have made R2D2 skip with a basket of roses..Yeah. There isn't any need for 'fluid movement' with a 60 second flash about robots and spaceships. R2D2 just glides....C3PO walks all wobbly, and I figured for the less than 2 seconds you see him walk..it wasn't work making him walk.[/quote]
You're*. I'm not saying that, I'm saying animate the man, not make him a bunch of pieces you move. Look at Bitey--probably the best example I can pull for animation. The artist never uses the lame excues for animation flash uses, he animates it all by hand. That would have been impressive and made the overall quality of it better. The only thing I'm seeing here is "I was too lazy to make this a quality animation," and if so, that's fine. Just don't expect me to like it, and expect me to be critical of it if you're not going to put time and effort into it. I don't care if it's a 60 second animation, or a 60 minute animation, I'd rather see 60 seconds of quality animating and art and EFFORT than 60 seconds of just drawings that move around woodenly.

[QUOTE=Victor Van Dort]The doors opening and the final 'protrusion' were the two most complicated, polished, and un-shoddy parts of the animation. Nothing was shoddily done in those two scenes. Those two scenes are what took me so long to make this. People that have actually worked with flash before have complimented me on the door scene, because they know how complex it was. Each puff of smoke, each door, each lightning bolt, and every other object has to have it's own layer, and each layer needs to get animated seperatley. Same thing with the end scene. That scene had two layers for the planets because I needed the ship to erupt from the planet I needed a layer for the stars and a layer for the planet, and a layer for the ship...and for c3po...and for the lasers (two for the lasers). Also when the entire camera shakes, that involved taking all of the layers and making them shake seperatley to get the cool effect of the ship erupting out of the planet. So before you go and tell me that I didn't put any effort into this and that I am lazy, why don't you try to make a flash animation of your own. Until you do, stfu, because you don't know jack about flash. I can take it when people say it isn't funny, beacuse my sense of humor is rather weird, and I know a lot of people don't have that same sense of humor, but calling my animation shoddy and me lazy?[/QUOTE]
Saying that it's the most complicated, polished, etc etc piece of the animation isn't saying much, to be hoenst with you. It may have taken tons of time, but that doesn't matter. What matters is the end-product. I've spent hours, probably days worth of times on drawings that ended up like absolute crap, and 30 seconds on others that turned out beautifully. It's about how much effort you put it into it, but at the same time you gotta make sure that effort's going somewhere productive, and not straight into a steamping pile of worthless crap.

I hate to say this, but in my experience, the amount of effort is hardly consistantly proportional to how people like it. I constantly find myself spending hours or whatever on something for art class, only to get it torn apart and given similar comments, and then do something in 10 minutes and get major praise.

As for saying the art isn't "wrong" -- the Clone Wars artists took some major liberties with the characters. They altered how Anakin looked from the movies because they felt it wasn't translating right in the cartoon, for one.

Sounds like you put a lot of work into something that ended up sucking in the end.

There's one thing I learned in my Values in Literature class:

Effort != Success

Why did you bother to post this in the showcase forum if you don't want feedback? THAT'S WHAT THE SHOWCASE FORUM IS FOR.

Seriously, "omg-look-what-I-can-do-I-rule" threads probably belong in General Discussion. Or another website forum entirely.

If you had calmly given your reasons why you did what you did (even if it's, "I threw this part together sorta messy I know" or "I got lazy") to those who critiqued your animation, I would understand.

But flat out rejecting of arguments with no reasonings or invalid reasonings (clone wars cartoons are the best and only way c3po must be drawn?) irks me.

That guy uses a tablet, and expensive video programs to get his camera angles just right. More programs for the lighting. He is like 20 something and he animates and draws for a living. He spends YEARS making animations. All of his animations are on Newgrounds top 50. I'm not spending ages making C3PO frame by frame wiggle his arms to make you happy.

Also when I said it was exact, I meant it was exact. Link

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]You're*. I'm not saying that, I'm saying animate the man, not make him a bunch of pieces you move. Look at Bitey--probably the best example I can pull for animation. The artist never uses the lame excues for animation flash uses, he animates it all by hand. That would have been impressive and made the overall quality of it better. The only thing I'm seeing here is "I was too lazy to make this a quality animation," and if so, that's fine. Just don't expect me to like it, and expect me to be critical of it if you're not going to put time and effort into it. I don't care if it's a 60 second animation, or a 60 minute animation, I'd rather see 60 seconds of quality animating and art and EFFORT than 60 seconds of just drawings that move around woodenly.[/QUOTE]

I know there are some Flash animators that make their animations look otherwise, but Flash is a lot like a cut-out animation, not like line/traditional animation. It's MEANT to produce South Park-like results, not fluidity like you keep demanding. If you don't like cut-out type animation, that's fine, but it's not crap because he's using a different style.

OK SAJN your last argument there is a significant improvement over some of your others in this thread. :p Not where it should be, but a step in the right direction.

Just a reminder as well, this is only the 2nd full animation I've done on flash. I've seen people on their 4th or 5th animations that were still making stick figures bobble around, or poorly drawn characters jiggle around. Good Idea, Bad Idea was my first animation, and some people thought that I was a liar when I said it was my first. Most people don't even learn the damn program before they dive into it. The thing is, I'd glady take tips on how to make my animation better, but the thing is, 'dumb', 'That was incredibly stupid, and not funny', 'your work is shoddy and your lazy' and 'spend ages creating masterpiece fram by frame animation' isn't helping me improve.

[QUOTE=Victor Van Dort]That guy uses a tablet, and expensive video programs to get his camera angles just right. More programs for the lighting. He is like 20 something and he animates and draws for a living. He spends YEARS making animations. All of his animations are on Newgrounds top 50. I'm not spending ages making C3PO frame by frame wiggle his arms to make you happy.

Also when I said it was exact, I meant it was exact. Link[/QUOTE]
You know, I knew you'd do this. You overexaggerate what I'm saying so you can seem like you're still doing the right thing.

I know he's a professional animator, worked for disney, uses expensive programs, but I've also seen similar results from upstarting animators who just put time and effort into their drawings. My point is, ANY animation would have been better than some copied piece-by-piece drawing from another person's art (some call that plajeurizing, or stealing, you know) that you move around woodenly. I'm not asking you to wiggle his arms, I'm asking you to make it look like he's not a cardboard cutout bouncing along a cardboard background. Also, the fact that you don't have a tablet is no excuse, even though it seems to be one I hear from people all the time. Sure, your art won't be as good maybe as if you did have one, but I've made stuff that I love in Illustrator (which, by the way, can be ported into flash. And I know you probably have the adobe suite, whether you obtained it through legal means or not, judging by some of your...er...photoshops...) with a mouse on a freaking Apple. It was tedious, took time, and a lot of effort, but it's the END PRODUCT that I liked. But then again, you never seem to spend more than a day or so on anything you do, so whatever.

Like I said, more excuses, more laziness. Next time you want me to not criticize something you do if it sucks, here's a tip--don't post in the showcase forum.

Geb--yes, I know it's meant for the cutout animation, but if you apply effort you can do much much better and much more with it.

Wow, I thought R2D2 had a huge dick, but you seem to be a bigger one.

This animation took me a LOT more than a day. Good Idea, Bad Idea took me a month or two to make. This animation took me a good month, but it was working on and off, not all day or anything. The entire ship erupting scene got deleted a few weeks ago, and I didn't have a back up .fla so I had to remake it all by scratch. THAT isn't laziness. I'm not lazy when it comes to flash. It's fun to make flash films, so why would I be lazy with it? Honestly. If you want to be a jerk, go download the flash trial and spend a month making an animation. Just one month. Because after a month of having flash I made Good Idea, Bad Idea. See if you can make anything that even COMPARES to that in a month.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Geb--yes, I know it's meant for the cutout animation, but if you apply effort you can do much much better and much more with it.[/QUOTE]

You can think it sucks, but you really need to stop using the word "effort" as if it magically makes things better.

You're right, effort doesn't magically make things better. But when you put actual effort into something it shows. If I were to turn in a stick figure drawing to my art teacher, she'd laugh at me, no matter how awesome it looked, and would tell me to do a real drawing. If I were, however, to sit down, do my own artwork *looks at SAJN* and actually create something decent, I would get a good grade.

I'm sorry SAJN, but you stole artwork from another cartoon, didn't even take the time to animate the figures. When it comes to art, I pick apart things because it's what I do to my own artwork. I constantly try to make myself better, and am never satisfied with what I see myself do. It's how I work with artwork. I don't think it's an unfair outlook to take either--if you're never satisfied, that means you're constantly going to at least attempt to get better.

And I would try to see if I could do better, but I have no interest in pirating flash to show off to some 17 year old kid on the internet that I have more skills than him (not to mention I'm taking a class on it this semester, so it'd be kind of unfair), if only for the fact that I don't steal my artwork.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]You're right, effort doesn't magically make things better. But when you put actual effort into something it shows. If I were to turn in a stick figure drawing to my art teacher, she'd laugh at me, no matter how awesome it looked, and would tell me to do a real drawing. If I were, however, to sit down, do my own artwork *looks at SAJN* and actually create something decent, I would get a good grade.[/QUOTE]

No, what I'm saying is that DOESN'T happen. I've turned in something of my own, put the effort into it, and gotten BAD grades, while my 10 minute crap gets rave reviews. Art is like that.

Also, it's not plagerism because he's emulating another's art, though for the safe side (I didn't check, maybe he did), he should credit/give thanks to the artists of the Clone Wars cartoon.

There's no saving it now -- In befo' da lock.

Art is. Animation isn't. Especially when you don't take the time to animate it. I've said this about 20 times Geb--I just wish he'd have animated it, no matter how he would have done it. It would have ended up better.


Some see it that way, but I was raised that any time you copy someone else's artwork, no matter how well done, all credit should be taken away from you. Honestly, that's just how I see it.

You're right. I never do anything on my own. I steal everyones hard work and try to pass it off as my own. You got me.

[QUOTE=Victor Van Dort]You're right. I never do anything on my own. I steal everyones hard work and try to pass it off as my own. You got me.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I was talking about this particular piece having almost no artwork you did yourself. I've seen the other things you've done (I think I even commented on them). Which is why I know you could've done better.

Almost nothing? The lasers, the backgrounds, some of the sounds, the voices, and the effects (smoke, lightning etc.). Also even though I used the characters from Clone Wars I still had to re-trace/color them so they would look good in flash.



I did give credit to the Clone Wars cartoon, not in the movie, but in the description. All the credits are in the description of the animation.