The Sweetness

Christians always refer to Hell like it’s a bad thing.
Oh ok, so I see their point;
An eternity of burning and slave ship to some red skinned devil
Doesn’t sound like vacation but stick with me here:

There’s a saying, and it’s something like “Let the ends justify the means.”
And I say **** that.
“Let the means justify the ends.”
You can do whatever the hell you want
As long as you’re willing to accept the consequences.
OK, so maybe that’s a little naïve, but really
Who’s to say an eternity of hell isn’t worth the trip?
No one knows what the fiery abyss is like anyway!
Our knowledge of hell is propaganda spewed forth
By that bearded son of a ***** in heaven.
He’s got his own agenda and it aint sending people to hell,
That’s for sure.

It’s a month after the incident
And Adam’s smoking a pipe in his newly built home
Just a few blocks away from the walls of Eden
And Eve is reading a fashion magazine
Because she doesn’t want to wear another green leaf
As long as she lives
And they’re happy.
Adam gets up to grab a beer from the fridge,
And he sits down in his comfy chair
And he says to his wife;
“It was a damn good apple, too.”

Sure, we’re damned to making minimum wage
And slaving for the man for our entire life
Living only for our children who will only live for theirs
But God damned, it really isn’t that bad.
Sure, it’s no paradise where no one wears clothes
And everyone’s ****ing happy;
But it doesn’t suck that much.

I’m sure hell couldn’t suck that much either
I mean, there’s always going to be worse, right?
Maybe it’s dynamic, in that if you can imagine worse
That’s how bad it gets?

Either way, I know one thing:
The fruit of temptation wouldn’t be tempting if it weren’t worth it
Would it? I hope that I’ve lived life in way that I can say;
“It was a damn good apple, too.”

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I love you.

Awww hell

Oh, right, ok.

Just a comment here. If I'm willing to put up with a hand slap from stealing the cookie from the cookie jar, then why not? Well, because morally, this is wrong. I mean, yeah, sure, if you want damnation then go ahead, eat your apple. But shouldn't the point there to try and restrain yourself from giving into temptation and regretting your choice later?


I have the temptation to strangle my brother at certain points during the day. I've gotten really close to doing so, because he's driven me that insane before. What you're saying is, if I'm interpreting it like this (INTERPRETATION, OPINION, DO NOT TAKE THIS AND BELIEVE IT AS FACT!) then it should be worth the silence to strangle him. But it won't be, I'll be reprimanded and it won't be worth it, ultimately.

It's very situation based, your writing it. Yes, it makes sense. "I may have been reprimanded, but damn it was worth it for that apple." But is it always worth the trouble and such you'll get in, just to eat an APPLE!?

But is the reprimand really that bad? In the end, is going to jail THAT bad? The idea is that impulse decisions might seem like a real bad thing the way others play it down, but life without the garden of eden isn't ****, is it?

It's all situational, kirby. Prison to some people isn't that bad. I mean, free food, you get care, what's so bad about that? It's great (not completely, there are huge downsides) if it's an upgrade for you. This is why some people, atleast around here, have stolen things from shops in hoping to get SENT to prison where they have care. For me, that would be a horrid thing. I've got care, I've got food, and sure, I'm a kid, but if I were an adult and had these luxuries some people don't have, I wouldn't do something to get sent to prison because I have everything I need.

For example. Right now, this very moment, I could go get a bottle of vodka, a shotglass, and take 8 shots. Right now. I'm not kidding, I really could. And you know what? I'm damn tempted to. I want to know what the big fuss about getting drunk is, I want to know what's so great, and I want to be able to say "By God, I got drunk."

So why don't I? Family's asleep, lights are out, my room is apart from all the others. I've come very close to doing that several times. Hell, I went far enough to take 2 shots once. But I stopped for a few reasons. If my parents found out (very slim), I'd be dead. They'd never trust me for a long while, I'd have many privileges taken away, and all I'd have is a memory and the ability to say I'd done it. But, I would get a huge guilt from it. Guilt gets to be very wearing after a while, atleast for me anyway. The means far outweigh the ends to some people, to me they do as well. I'd also just like to wait to get drunk the first time, do it with friends. Something I lack right now, friends who are interested in drinking. But that's not really bad in this case, because that's keeping me from getting toasted right now. To some people, this is bad. To me, it's good. All situational.

I once raped 5 of my neighbor's kittens. I got arrested, shanked in prison and now I pee in a bag, but I'll be DAMNED if it wasn't all worth it.

But it's all what you know. Adam and Eve are happy living a normal ****ty life. It'd be nice to still be in the garden of eden, but hey, it was a tasty apple, and even though they might regret it: It could be worse.

So just thinking "Hey, it could be worse" makes you feel all better, Kirby?

Sometimes. I don't have ALL the answers, just the ones to the questions that you ask when your drunk. You'd know that, but...

Hell (at least the firey version of it) is an invention of the catholics. It's not an original christian idea.
And I think it's not going to be much worse than it is now. It might grow more acute, but I think the whole idea of wealth built on the bones of the poor is already quite hell-like. Maybe the beast will gather all wealth, so that all of humanity will be bones. But that won't change a thing for a lot of the people.

I like the theological insights, and I asked for the critical response but... What do you think of the poem?

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its prty good wtg

I liked it, Kirby

Don't you mean purgatory? I'm pretty sure that "hell" or at the least "hades" is mentioned quite a few times in the bible. I most recall it described as a place filled with weeping and knashing of teeth (or at least in th NIV), but I'm fairly sure I've heard allusions to a fiery pit filled with brimstone as well.

As for the poem, it was interesting, amusing certainly, but I don't take it too seriously. Your style is very unique (to me at least). When I read it, it almost didn't feel like poetry, sometimes bordering on prose, but it worked. I have limited exposure to modern poetry however, so I probably don't know what I'm talking about. I have a poem I should probably post on here actually, which you might find slightly relevant, kirbs.

I also feel that Zloc made some very good observations, esepcially mature beyond his years considering he's, what, just turned 13? You're a cool kid, Zloc.

It's definetly pros poetry. Check out this guy named "Rumi." he wrote pros poetry before a lot of people would think. It's not half as modern as you might believe.

Most of it is pretty good, but the ending is a let down. The whole poem is obviously telling us how you think life should be lived; ending with "and the moral of the story is:" is repetitive, and the way it's worded sounds too sentimental. Better to end with something more jarring, imo.

It's probably like sleep walking. Your eyes are half closed, you make no sense, your hair is messed up, and you stumble around blindly.

No, I don't mean purgatory. But purgatory shows whence the fire came. It's made up by the church. Hell is translated from several words (hebrew sheol and greek hades) and means actually "pit" or "grave". This is enforced by the passage, which mentions Jesus' three days stay in "hades" after his crucifixtion (or however you spell it). Wouldn't make sense, if it was the firey torture place, right? Why would Jesus have to go there?

Well, I think this is speculation, but I've "heard" that Jesus went to hell to claim the souls of those who had died before Christ's time. He took them out of hell and sent them to heaven, and he was only able to do that because he had died for all mankind's sins. This is symbolized by the ripping of the veil in the temple, meaning that man can now go directly to God through Jesus, instead of by sacrifices or (in the Protestant churches) a priest. I really am very unsure of some of this information, it was probably just something my whacked out fundamentalist teachers told me.

Sorry, if we're derailing kirbs, but I know you do it quite a bit yourself!

Threads go where they will. I hate when admins close or admin threads with "get back on topic" is if the topic is set in stone.

Although, more commentary would be nice >.> <.<