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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 10:58 AM
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35936

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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 11:03 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by me on another message board in reponse to this story:
Society blows.
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Nauree
12-07-2003, 11:04 AM
Yes, we people in Louisiana are EXTREAMLY ULTRA homophobic.

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moldy_hair
12-07-2003, 11:10 AM
Ugh, that is so gay.... http://forums.massassi.net/html/rolleyes.gif



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Sol
12-07-2003, 11:16 AM
Stupid school...

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Correction
12-07-2003, 11:28 AM
He just meant happy... geez.

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avenger216
12-07-2003, 11:32 AM
homophobia sucks. We should absolutly tolerate homosexuals, but tolerance is NOT acceptance or approval, and does not include exposing people to it intentionally. we should tolerate the people who are already like that and those who become that way but make NO effort to perpetuate it. like it or not, homosexuality is not a social norm. I dont hate them, I just dissapprove of their actions.

the school board was right in diciplining the child. but the board was not justified in lying about what they did afterwards. if you make a decision, even if you are wrong, have some guts and take responsibility for your actions.

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BV
12-07-2003, 11:35 AM
You know how we look back shamefully at slavery? Our descendants are going to look back at us the exact same way. http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif

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Correction
12-07-2003, 11:36 AM
It'll always be like that, though BV. Our descendents who held slaves had things in their past to look down apon, also.

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WildfireX
12-07-2003, 11:49 AM
That's unbelieveable... if people maintain that level of prudery, the perversion that some claim to hate can only increase because of the 'naughty' value it will gain.

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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 11:50 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by avenger216:
the school board was right in diciplining the child.</font>

Eh? How so? The kid said, "My parents are gay. This means two women love each other." I'm failing to see how he wronged here - whether or not you agree with homosexuality (I don't, for future reference), the kid made no error.

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Thrawn[numbarz]
12-07-2003, 11:50 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Correction:
It'll always be like that, though BV. Our descendents who held slaves had things in their past to look down apon, also.

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Which leads us back to the first reply to this thread. http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 12:12 PM
"We should absolutly tolerate homosexuals" I dont know if your a religious person or not but God destroyed Sodom & Gomora because most of the community where homosexiuals, this was the same place that was destroyed when Lots wife was turned to salt for looking back.

I don't hate them because they can change but I dont want to come near a homosexual because a good apple doesnt make bad apples good.



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Correction
12-07-2003, 12:14 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Thrawn42689:
Which leads us back to the first reply to this thread. http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif

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Exactimundo http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif

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dry gear the frog
12-07-2003, 12:24 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">"We should absolutly tolerate homosexuals" I dont know if your a religious person or not but God destroyed Sodom & Gomora because most of the community where homosexiuals, this was the same place that was destroyed when Lots wife was turned to salt for looking back.

I don't hate them because they can change but I dont want to come near a homosexual because a good apple doesnt make bad apples good. </font>
Erm... there was a lot more going on at Sodom and Gomora than just homosexuality.

You shouldn't be afraid of going near gay people. They're just like you and me. They have the same worries, pay the same taxes, breathe the same air, and many of them worship the same god as you do.

I'm a christian too, and acknowledge that the bible says to refrain from homosexual sex, but for me it's a matter of prioritization.
1. Jesus says to all "Love thy neighbor"
2. Paul writes to the church in Romans about things to abstain from, and in the same list as other sins such as greed, has "homosexual behavior"

Having said that, I'm cheering for the kid in this issue.

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Correction
12-07-2003, 12:26 PM
I was under the impression the focus of Sodom and Gammora sins were rape and sexual impurity... not the homosexuality of it.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 12:30 PM
"I was under the impression the focus of Sodom and Gammora sins were rape and sexual impurity... not the homosexuality of it."

Excatly, homosexuality. Tell me if you rape a male and your a male are you still strait? Sexual impurity=gay.

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Lord Kuat
12-07-2003, 12:37 PM
Are they Sodomites? Or Sodomabyes?

Look, for all your religious folk out there, it's fine and dandy you don't like homosexulaity. But your opinions should stay just that. Don't try forcing what you think on others, no one cares what in blazes your cursed book says other than you. This just applies to those who do. 99% of you are not doing that, and respecting other. Just that other 1%...


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I don't hate them because they can change but I dont want to come near a homosexual because a good apple doesnt make bad apples good. </font>

Oh, and you are such a good apple. What, do you think gay is a disease? That if a gay person sneezes on you, you will get the "gay virus".

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Avenger
12-07-2003, 12:45 PM
The school over reacted. "Gay" was used in it's proper context, not as some sort of insult.

I'm just going to leave it there, at theincident itself, like most of you should

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dry gear the frog
12-07-2003, 12:45 PM
I'd like to add to Lord Kuat's point by saying that the place in the NT where it says to avoid homosexual behavior is addressed to a church, not the general population.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 01:03 PM
"Oh, and you are such a good apple. What, do you think gay is a disease? That if a gay person sneezes on you, you will get the "gay virus"."

Damn strait it is. Having a group of friends who do drugs. Any normal person would be smart enuff not to touch a drug. Its gona kill you, its illegal, and it will screw you life over. You get a group of gay friends you will probly have some what pressure to be gay with them and look at what the majority of people will do. Laugh at you. Im sure you wouldnt want that. People over here get beat up because there gay. They probly dont where you live but we dont approve ***** being shoved up *** where all your **** is.

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saberopus
12-07-2003, 01:10 PM
bogus analogy my friend.

if you have 'friends' who do drugs, you will likely already be doing drugs. Yes, the behavior of your friends affects you, but it goes the other way around too. Your sexual preference will not change because you hang around people who have different ones than you. Do you start to become attracted to guys when you hang around your (possible) female friends for a long time? I sure as hell don't.

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Tracer
12-07-2003, 01:13 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Damn strait it is. Having a group of friends who do drugs. Any normal person would be smart enuff not to touch a drug. Its gona kill you, its illegal, and it will screw you life over. You get a group of gay friends you will probly have some what pressure to be gay with them and look at what the majority of people will do. Laugh at you. Im sure you wouldnt want that. People over here get beat up because there gay. They probly dont where you live but we dont approve ***** being shoved up *** where all your **** is.</font>

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 01:13 PM
"if you have 'friends' who do drugs, you will likely already be doing drugs. Yes, the behavior of your friends affects you, but it goes the other way around too. Your sexual preference will not change because you hang around people who have different ones than you. Do you start to become attracted to guys when you hang around your (possible) female friends for a long time? I sure as hell don't."

Acculty, I had a friend. He didnt do drugs. He got some other friends and started doing drugs with them. Hes not my friend anymore.
An as for not being attracted to males part. We'r not gay because we dont talk about being gay. And Im sure a gay group would talk about being gay and screwing each other at times just like my strait friends and I talk about girls.


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Correction
12-07-2003, 01:27 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Excatly, homosexuality. Tell me if you rape a male and your a male are you still strait? Sexual impurity=gay.

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No, I was referring to them having sex with more than one partner and raping. If a guy rapes a boy, he's not charged for being gay. He's charged for sexual assault...
IMO, they could have been spared and still been gay, if they had just confined their sex within the same rules that hetersexuals are expected to follow. That's just my interpretation, though.

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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 01:54 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Damn strait it is. Having a group of friends who do drugs. Any normal person would be smart enuff not to touch a drug. Its gona kill you, its illegal, and it will screw you life over. You get a group of gay friends you will probly have some what pressure to be gay with them and look at what the majority of people will do.</font>

I am friends with a number of gay and bisexual people. I, myself, am not gay, nor am I bisexual. Granted, there are homosexual sexual predators, but then, there are heterosexual sexual predators. Maybe all the homosexual predators live in your city, though, which could possibly explain your stigma against gays.


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">[They will] Laugh at you. Im sure you wouldnt want that. People over here get beat up because there gay.</font>

And that's somehow a gay person's fault? You're saying that if I walk into a mall and shoot five people, it's their fault for getting in the way of my bullets?


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">They probly dont where you live but we dont approve ***** being shoved up *** where all your **** is. </font>

There's a difference between approval of it and going out of your way to harass a gay person or exile them from society.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 02:02 PM
"And that's somehow a gay person's fault? You're saying that if I walk into a mall and shoot five people, it's their fault for getting in the way of my bullets?"

Thats a very bad analogy. Im not gona go around people who I think is doing something wrong.

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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 02:03 PM
I think you're failing to see the problem here. Is it not possible that gay people get beat up, not because they're gay, but because the people who beat them up are violent, psychopathic *******s that have no respect for other people?

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 02:15 PM
No they beat them up because they dont like gay people. Hey, maby it will put them on the right road and make them rethink and become strait.

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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 02:26 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
No they beat them up because they dont like gay people. Hey, maby it will put them on the right road and make them rethink and become strait.

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First, it's STRAIGHT. Second, you're not the one to decide which path is the right one for someone. That's an individual's choice.

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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 02:27 PM
Hitler didn't like gay people. Does that mean that he did the right thing, concerning the Holocaust?

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 02:27 PM
Who said I was deciding peoples paths?

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 02:28 PM
"Hitler didn't like gay people. Does that mean that he did the right thing, concerning the Holocaust?"

Im...not...following...o0?

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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 02:29 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
No they beat them up because they dont like gay people. Hey, maby it will put them on the right road and make them rethink and become strait. </font>



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Seb
12-07-2003, 02:30 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:


Acculty, I had a friend. He didnt do drugs. He got some other friends and started doing drugs with them. Hes not my friend anymore.
An as for not being attracted to males part. We'r not gay because we dont talk about being gay. And Im sure a gay group would talk about being gay and screwing each other at times just like my strait friends and I talk about girls.


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Just how shallow are you about modern life?



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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 02:31 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Who said I was deciding peoples paths?

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You basically said that the "right road" was being straight. Which is not for you to decide for someone.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 02:31 PM
Im still trying to figure out how your compairing Hitler to other people. I dont see why your trying to flame me. You cant change my mind. I dont like gay people.

Edit: Seb - So your saying that I should be friends with him and become a dope head? Im not as stupid as that.

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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 02:32 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Im still trying to figure out how your compairing Hitler to other people. I dont see why your trying to flame me. You cant change my mind. I dont like gay people.</font>

There's a difference between saying "I don't like gay people" and "I think the brutalization of gay people based solely on their sexual orientation is okay."

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 02:35 PM
Yes the right road is straight. To me being gay is like taking drugs and what you telling me is that its ok to be gay just like its ok for people to take drugs.

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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 02:36 PM
I'm not saying it's okay. I don't believe it is. But I also think that trying to justify the beating and assault of them simply because they're gay is no less immoral.

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Compos Mentis
12-07-2003, 02:36 PM
I knew there were some ignorant people on massassi, but jesus Nauree.

1) Noone makes your decisions for you. Sure, there is always going to be peer pressure involving drugs. But for someone as holy-as-thouh, you should be able to resist, seeing as you've already made your mind on the issue. What I'm saying is, if you've really made your decision on an issue, then no ammount of peer pressure should change that.

2) Studies have shown substantial evidence linking homosexuality to genetics (at least partly, I don't remember the details). Which means that it's not always somebodys choice. I have tons of gay friends (I live in seattle, which is much more liberal than bum-f*** whereever you are I'm assuming), and not once have I ever had a gay thought just from hanging out with them. Not once has their talking about their gay escapades, which are MILD compared to what my straight male friends talk about, man it disgusts me sometimes. Mostly, they just talk about the cute guy they saw at the coffee stand or whatever. I see way more similiarities between them and women in this aspect (pardon the stereotype).

3) What makes you think beating someone will change their mind? If I beat you enough, could I make you gay? No? stfu thanks

I'll be back later after work to shoot down whatever arguments you have against this, kthx.
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lateralus
12-07-2003, 02:38 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Yes the right road is straight. To me being gay is like taking drugs and what you telling me is that its ok to be gay just like its ok for people to take drugs.

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Oh wow. I can't wait to be there to see the look on your face when you see the real world (no, not the TV show) for the first time.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 02:38 PM
I hate to say this but from seeing as you like all these gay people why dont you just join them. I wasnt talking about me the whole time I was talking about the general public of kids. Seeing how this world is going to hell.

Edit: That was toward Compos Mentis


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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 02:39 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Yes the right road is straight.</font>

I'm glad opinions aren't facts. While I'm not gay, that doesn't mean gay people I know should be forced to be straight.


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Nauree
12-07-2003, 02:41 PM
"I'm not saying it's okay. I don't believe it is. But I also think that trying to justify the beating and assault of them simply because they're gay is no less immoral."

How am I justifing beating up gay people is right? All I said that people here, at my school, that are gay, get beat up.

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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 02:43 PM
[ Nauree was replying to a post I made in reply to his post, which was to Compos Mentis, of which I was not aware at the time, and I promptly deleted mine upon discovering his post was to Compos ]

I quote:


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Hey, maby it will put them on the right road and make them rethink and become strait.</font>

Your confession that you believe them being beaten up will somehow "correct" them implies a belief that their beatings are right, plus your defense that they are not violent people, but that their actions are somehow okay because "they dont like gay people" (sic).

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 02:44 PM
Let me just sum up all my opionions so I can stop waisting my time on one of the Supidest. Posts. Ever.

I DO NOT like gay people.
I DO NOT want to assioate with gay people.
I THINK being gay is wrong.

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Vin
12-07-2003, 02:45 PM
You remind me of my parents, Nauree: intolerant, ignorant, and opinionated.

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mb
12-07-2003, 02:47 PM
#1 Nauree, theres a little button above each message with a red arrow, that Quotes someone.

#2 Have you ever thought that being homosexual might be a chemical thing and that a homosexual person has no control over it? Just because someone is gay it doesnt make them a bad person. Are they harming anyone? No. Not at all.
How does getting beat up help them become straight? They made a decision and they shouldnt be shunned for it. It's ignorant people like you that make the world the way it is. People should just shut up and accept people rather than ridicule them for being different.

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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 02:48 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Let me just sum up all my opionions so I can stop waisting my time on one of the Supidest. Posts. Ever.

I DO NOT like gay people.
I DO NOT want to assioate with gay people.
I THINK being gay is wrong.

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If the "Supidest [sic]. Posts. Ever." is referring to your posts, then you hit the nail on the head for once.


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Run
12-07-2003, 02:48 PM
Thread summary:

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Round and round she goes...

I've never understood why people think its ok to pass judgement on someone else's life when that life has no bearing on theirs whatsoever.

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Vin
12-07-2003, 02:49 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MBeggar:
Have you ever thought that being homosexual might be a chemical thing and that a homosexual person has no control over it?</font>

I feel that that's true. A person could force himself to like the opposite sex, but he would just be living a lie.

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12-07-2003, 02:49 PM
Stop being mean. It's almost Christmas. You know what Santa does to bad boys and girls. REDEEM YOURSELF WHILE THERE IS STILL TIME!

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Seb
12-07-2003, 02:50 PM
...Sure. Go and say They're stupid. Escape in your little perfect world.

Wake up, Get out of your roach infested hellhole you call a room, and see that life is more than what's written in a ****ing book.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 02:51 PM
One last post.

MBegger. Ill quote the way I want too.
And you do have control og being gay. Unless you brainwashed or someone is controling you body Ex: being restrained or something. You have complete mental control of yourself and able to make decissions on your own. Even if you have the urge to do something doesnt mean you should.

Seb: I pitty you extreamly if you call the Bible a ******* book.

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Vin
12-07-2003, 02:54 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
You have complete mental control of yourself and able to make decissions on your own. Even if you have the urge to do something doesnt mean you should.</font>

That's exactly my point. If someone is gay, they are feeling attraction to their own sex. By constantly denying those and seeking women, they are living a lie.

Second of all, nobody has complete mental control over themselves. If you think that, you are deluded and blind.

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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 02:55 PM
The Bible isn't only a ******* book. It's a ******* outdated book of fairy tales. Savvy?

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Seb
12-07-2003, 02:55 PM
Then pity me, I enjoy having an individual mind.

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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 02:56 PM
...it would probably be appeciated by some advocates of gay tolerance, like me, if tolerance would be shown to Christians as well...

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 02:57 PM
Vincent Valentine:

I have complete mental control of me. See I can life my arm up and down because my brain tell me. I think think for myself and everything. Im not sure that abilitys your controling your mind lacks.

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mb
12-07-2003, 02:58 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:

MBegger. Ill quote the way I want too.
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Fine, but at least spell my name right.


And if you think you have complete control of your mind, you are so wrong. Humans can control only about 1/10th of their brain.

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cazor
12-07-2003, 02:58 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
I hate to say this but from seeing as you like all these gay people why dont you just join them. I wasnt talking about me the whole time I was talking about the general public of kids. Seeing how this world is going to hell.

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Yeah, having freedom of choice, that is our god given right to free will, is somehow degrading our society and making it 'go to hell'. You really amuse me. You and any other stubborn person who ignorantly stands against things that dont need to be stood against. You make me sick.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 02:59 PM
From what has just posted. I COMPLETELY understand where you people are coming from. Its times like these that make me feel proud.

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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 03:00 PM
Would you please explain where we're coming from?

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Vin
12-07-2003, 03:01 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Vincent Valentine:

I have complete mental control of me. See I can life my arm up and down because my brain tell me. I think think for myself and everything. Im not sure that abilitys your controling your mind lacks.

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"Lifing" your arm up and down is a far cry from choosing ones sexuality. I'm talking about choosing what you like and what you think. Can you tell yourself to like the taste of moldy rabbit bile? Can you overcome all your fears by simply telling yourself you aren't afraid?

Why don't you prove your complete mental control by losing your supremist homophobic attitude.

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dry gear the frog
12-07-2003, 03:01 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">It's a ******* outdated book of fairy tales. Savvy?</font>
Wow, you're almost as bad as Nauree is.
Yeah, insulting someone's religion is going to convince them you're right instead of cementing in their mind a negative connection between gay rights and people like you. Way to further the cause.

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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 03:02 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dry gear the frog:
Wow, you're almost as bad as Nauree is. Yeah, insulting someone's religion is going to convince them you're right instead of cementing in their mind a negative connection between gay rights and people like you.

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You actually think any of us could convince him of anything?


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Nauree
12-07-2003, 03:02 PM
Not you Wolfy.

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THRAWN
12-07-2003, 03:03 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">The school district superintendent, however, claims the boy was reprimanded because he caused an "ordinary student disturbance," not because he used the word "gay."

The ACLU claims the 7-year-old was scolded and sent to a school behavioral clinic after a friend asked about his parents. </font>

So I take it that every student that causes and "ordinary student disturbance" gets sent to a behavioral clinic? I doubt it.

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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 03:03 PM
His point is that it offends people such as myself when people say the Bible is a "****ing outdated bunch of fairy tales," much the same way it would offend a Jew if he/she was told the Torah was so, or a Muslim if he/she was told the Quran was so.

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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 03:06 PM
Thank you. http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif

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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 03:06 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wolfy:
His point is that it offends people such as myself when people say the Bible is a "****ing outdated bunch of fairy tales," much the same way it would offend a Jew if he/she was told the Torah was so, or a Muslim if he/she was told the Quran was so.

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Well then for that I apologize.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 03:07 PM
Well Im not realy offended from them insaulting the Bible. Thats between them and God considering they probly dont belive god.

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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 03:09 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Thats between them and God considering they probly dont belive god.

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Your assumption is correct, although I did once believe in God. Roman Catholic by birth and all.

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Jaiph
12-07-2003, 03:09 PM
This thread is going downhill rapidly. If this turns into a flamewar over the validity of the bible you know exactly where this thread will be moved to.....and I'm sure no-one wants to go there.

Nauree, perhaps if you actually spent sometime around gay people you'd begin to understand where everyone is coming from. Simply saying you don't want to be around them because you're afraid talking about it will make you gay only prevents you from broadening your view.

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Vin
12-07-2003, 03:13 PM
I don't like being around black people, because I might suddenly become African. And I can't stand being around females, because I might start curling my hair and waxing my legs.

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cazor
12-07-2003, 03:13 PM
I think i just now understood why my teacher takes old stereotypes and brings them up in class as if he actually thought they were the correct things to think. We know he is joking, but it makes him sound like an ignorant idiot who lives in the past, and we see why we shouldnt be that way.

I thank you, Nauree. I hope i will never be as block-headed as you are. You've helped me understand a brilliant life lesson. Thanks again.

Oh and if anyone thinks I used a bit of satire, well then no ****, sherlock.

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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 03:14 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Vincent Valentine:
I can't stand being around females, because I might start curling my hair and waxing my legs.

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And having multiple......

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Vin
12-07-2003, 03:15 PM
Hm, that might actually not be bad thing.

/me grabs his sister's curling iron and wax.

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saberopus
12-07-2003, 03:15 PM
well, dont' count on him answering because it's.....been a few posts since his 'last' post.

Anyway. this. thread. ROXORZ.

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Checksum
12-07-2003, 03:22 PM
What Avenger said earlier.

Tolerance does not mean support or approval, it just means holding your tongue.

I do not like gays. I think homosexuality is disgusting and wrong, but I don't say or do anything about it (read: I tolerate it) because I can't really rationalize my dislike of it.

As for disciplining a kid over it, that's just as bad. He's a little boy. Little boys need to start crap.

You know what happens to a little kid who doesn't get into trouble? They grow up timid, whiny, and have nerves of jello.

The proper thing to do would have been to let the situation play out - if people get pissed, the kid will get it through his head - "dang, if I say 'gay,' people get really pissed, I'm not doing that again."

The moral of the story is, if kids aren't ever allowed to do anything bad, they won't know why they aren't supposed to act that way.

And they can't have phony, BS consequences like "I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to recommend suspension."

Kids hear that (at least I did) and hear "GOOD! Thanks, see you in a week, hobag!"

In order to learn a lesson, the kid needs to hear "You idiot, you're so STUPID," from his peers or other people who actually affect him on a basic level. People he has to see every day.

This is the most mishandled situation I've heard of in a while, I can only frown on society.
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Vin
12-07-2003, 03:24 PM
No, the moral of the story is that the kid didn't even do anything bad, other than having two mothers.

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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 03:35 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast:
And having multiple......</font>

...EYES!

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dry gear the frog
12-07-2003, 03:43 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Well then for that I apologize.</font>
I'll chime in with wolfy for another thank you.

A while back, maybe a year or two, we were having a similar debate, except I was arguing the position that Nauree is arguing now. I remember Krokodile posting something insulting about the bible, and I called him on it and he apologized and respectfully bowed out of the debate.
While that alone wasn't the reason I changed my mind about homosexual behavior, I was impressed to see someone treat me with the same respect that he demanded I give gay people.

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Vin
12-07-2003, 03:46 PM
Yeah, I had quoted the fairy-tale statement in agreement, the realized that I was being extremely two-faced and deleted it.

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Freelancer
12-07-2003, 03:48 PM
I am tolerant of homosexuals, just as I am liars, thieves, adulterers, etc.
Truth doesn't change.
Society may mostly believe that homosexuality isn't a sin, but that doesn't make it true. There are a non-changing set of commandments that dictate our closeness to god. These things don't change, and homosexuality is a sin. It's just like lusting after a woman or not forgiving someone. It's still a sin, and it still hurts you, but society may not feel the same way.

That said, we all obviously have free will, so that's why it's important to be tolerant.

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TombFyre
12-07-2003, 03:50 PM
lets all just agree that homosexuality is ok and people can do what ever they want, as long as it doesn't hurt someone else.

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Martyn
12-07-2003, 04:09 PM
^^^ Wow a voice of reason!

Exactly that - I'm not gay, I don't have and probably never will have gay thoughts (though I don't rule it out) - I have many gay friends, male and female - they're good, loyal, honest people and I won't hear a word said against them by someone who doesn't even know them from Adam.

Someone (I think it was Vince V) played the Black/female card - it's exactly that...

"I don't like black people" gets you flamed/banned

"I don't like gay people" should recieve the same treatment for being so very closed minded. If you harbour these opinions I'm fairly sure I speak for most who say they're not welcome here - keep them to yourselves.

For anyone interested (for completeness), I've got no particular religious sway - I'm born RC, never really got into it - have studied a bit of religion and am of the opinion that whatever you believe is your faith to cherish, you're very welcome to it and I hope it keeps you safe and happy - I'm just fairly happy not believeing in any diety that controls this life of mine or my next, should I have one.

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Ni
12-07-2003, 04:13 PM
I think gay men are great, and there should be more of them... That way there would be a lot more single women for us straight guys http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif

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Charlie
12-07-2003, 04:14 PM
Homosexuality has been around since roman times (most likely earlier though). However I am not okay with homosexuality for a few reasons with not the least of which was that God said it was wrong... However! putting that aside just for the simple fact this is not the religous discussion forum I will say my second biggest problem with homosexuality... It could quite possibly destroy the human race not only morally but physically. Think real hard before you reply to that one in case you disagree with the physically part.

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dry gear the frog
12-07-2003, 04:14 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">"I don't like gay people" should recieve the same treatment for being so very closed minded. If you harbour these opinions I'm fairly sure I speak for most who say they're not welcome here - keep them to yourselves.</font>
I sort of agree, but then again I disagree. The way society is today, people who say things like that speak out of ignorance, not malice.

Many gay people on another forum I frequent have said that they did not make the choice, that in fact they'd give anything to be straight.
If it were a simple matter of choice, there wouldn't be so many gay people. No one would want to do something like that which would bring so much hatred upon them.

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Jaiph
12-07-2003, 04:18 PM
Simply disliking gays won't get you a ban unless you turn that into actively offensive statements against them. Nauree's comments regarding gays and assaults was really dancing that line.

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alpha1
12-07-2003, 04:21 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Compos Mentis:
I knew there were some ignorant people on massassi, but jesus Nauree.

1) Noone makes your decisions for you. Sure, there is always going to be peer pressure involving drugs. But for someone as holy-as-thouh, you should be able to resist, seeing as you've already made your mind on the issue. What I'm saying is, if you've really made your decision on an issue, then no ammount of peer pressure should change that.

2) Studies have shown substantial evidence linking homosexuality to genetics (at least partly, I don't remember the details). Which means that it's not always somebodys choice. I have tons of gay friends (I live in seattle, which is much more liberal than bum-f*** whereever you are I'm assuming), and not once have I ever had a gay thought just from hanging out with them. Not once has their talking about their gay escapades, which are MILD compared to what my straight male friends talk about, man it disgusts me sometimes. Mostly, they just talk about the cute guy they saw at the coffee stand or whatever. I see way more similiarities between them and women in this aspect (pardon the stereotype).

3) What makes you think beating someone will change their mind? If I beat you enough, could I make you gay? No? stfu thanks

I'll be back later after work to shoot down whatever arguments you have against this, kthx.
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Thankyou mentis
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SAS | nauticus.enigma
12-07-2003, 04:21 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TombFyre:
lets all just agree that homosexuality is ok and people can do what ever they want, as long as it doesn't hurt someone else.

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Sounds like a plan!

But seriously, my friend and I were with her mother and her friend, going up to Santa Cruz, in a car for about 45 minuteds (each way).
When we got back to her house, her mom told me that she was a lesbian. (My friend's mom is straight btw, so apparently, hanging out with gay or lesbians do not change your sexyal orientation.)
I had not known that, and I can see why she told me that after her friend was gone, but I have no problem with gays.

The moral of this story is that gays and straights are both human beings, and they demand the same amount of respect we (staright, nobody here has said thay were gay) demand.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 04:22 PM
The problem here is that people are putting words in my mouth. I never said "Oh gay people should be beat up because there gay." What I said was that "Gay people over here" Meaning where I live/school/ "Get beat up."

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Ni
12-07-2003, 04:23 PM
Now that i've actually thought of something serious to say:

In my opinion being homophobic is on the same level as being racist. Saying "I dont like gay people" is as bad as saying "I dont like black people" in my opinion.



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Nauree
12-07-2003, 04:27 PM
Sexuality and Physical Apperiance are too different things.

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Ni
12-07-2003, 04:28 PM
True. But it's still discriminating someone because they're different.

People don't chose their sexuality or their physical apperance (Except Michael Jackson http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif ).

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Correction
12-07-2003, 04:31 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TheJkWhoSaysNi:
People don't chose their sexuality or their physical apperance (Except Michael Jackson http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif ).

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And look where he ended up http://forums.massassi.net/html/rolleyes.gif

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Charlie
12-07-2003, 04:33 PM
Round and round we go.

Appearance you are born with, sexual preference you are not.

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dry gear the frog
12-07-2003, 04:33 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Nauree's comments regarding gays and assaults was really dancing that line.</font>
That is true.

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alpha1
12-07-2003, 04:34 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Let me just sum up all my opionions so I can stop waisting my time on one of the Supidest. Posts. Ever.

I DO NOT like gay people.
I DO NOT want to assioate with gay people.
I THINK being gay is wrong.

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If this was a forum under the laws of australia, you could be banned for saying that because it is coinsidered sexual harrassment to say homophobic things out loud. in short, in australia, you can be homophobic but you have to keep those thoughts to yourself at all times.

note 1: I have only read up to the qouted post

note 2: to the admins, I thiink a temporary ban is in order because this is on the general discussion board and Nuaree seems to be trying to turn this into a debate akin to those on the religious forums.

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Grant
12-07-2003, 04:36 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Charlie:
Homosexuality has been around since roman times (most likely earlier though). However I am not okay with homosexuality for a few reasons with not the least of which was that God said it was wrong... However! putting that aside just for the simple fact this is not the religous discussion forum I will say my second biggest problem with homosexuality... It could quite possibly destroy the human race not only morally but physically. Think real hard before you reply to that one in case you disagree with the physically part.

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homosexuality has been around for much longer. The ancient greeks used to have lavious(sp?) parties many nights, they often spent alot of time in ships sailing and having parties at night and living their lives in their democratic government, women were barred from many of these activities, so many Greek's took to homosexuality at these parties and then went home and slept with their wives. I'm sure some did not even have wives.

The Greeks also had an elite military squad know as "The Sacred Band" the entire squad was homosexual, and they only lost one battle in their entire career when i think alexander the great moved into greece. They won every battle because they were gay, they operated on the premise that they were fighting beside their gay lover, and to protect him, you'll fight harder. it worked, they were the best greek warriors ever to enter the battle field.

If we lived back in those days, homosexuality would not be the big hub bub it is today. it would be accepted, because back then it was normal, no one was critsied for their sexuality, no on beat them up be cause they liked men.

If an issue like this could be lived with and accepted 1000's of years ago, why is it such a big problem today?


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Jaiph
12-07-2003, 04:36 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
The problem here is that people are putting words in my mouth. I never said "Oh gay people should be beat up because there gay." What I said was that "Gay people over here" Meaning where I live/school/ "Get beat up."
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...and then you added "Hey, maby it will put them on the right road and make them rethink and become strait." after it which clearly shows some degree of support for it.


Edit - at this point Alpha1 I don't think he has crossed that line...and besides...I personally feel continuing to discuss the issue with him and perhaps give him pause for thought would be more constructive than chasing him away.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 04:36 PM
Omg alpha1 how much of a noob can you be.

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Charlie
12-07-2003, 04:38 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by alpha1:
If this was a forum under the laws of australia, you could be banned for saying that because it is coinsidered sexual harrassment to say homophobic things out loud. in short, in australia, you can be homophobic but you have to keep those thoughts to yourself at all times.

note 1: I have only read up to the qouted post

note 2: to the admins, I thiink a temporary ban is in order because this is on the general discussion board and Nuaree seems to be trying to turn this into a debate akin to those on the religious forums.

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No one cares about how australia does things http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif Just joking! I swear I didn't mean anything by it... I love australia I really do! Oh now enough of that... But I think the admins can determine this for themselves...
/typed as I'm hauled away to an aussie jail

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Charlie
12-07-2003, 04:39 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Grant:

homosexuality has been around for much longer. The ancient greeks used to have lavious(sp?) parties many nights, they often spent alot of time in ships sailing and having parties at night and living their lives in their democratic government, women were barred from many of these activities, so many Greek's took to homosexuality at these parties and then went home and slept with their wives. I'm sure some did not even have wives.

The Greeks also had an elite military squad know as "The Sacred Band" the entire squad was homosexual, and they only lost one battle in their entire career when i think alexander the great moved into greece. They won every battle because they were gay, they operated on the premise that they were fighting beside their gay lover, and to protect him, you'll fight harder. it worked, they were the best greek warriors ever to enter the battle field.

If we lived back in those days, homosexuality would not be the big hub bub it is today. it would be accepted, because back then it was normal, no one was critsied for their sexuality, no on beat them up be cause they liked men.

If an issue like this could be lived with and accepted 1000's of years ago, why is it such a big problem today?


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Freelancer
12-07-2003, 04:42 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">True. But it's still discriminating someone because they're different.</font>

Murderers are different too. Am I discriminatory because I deny them of their civil rights by locking them up in a cell? Perhaps murderers are just misunderstood. Next, they'll be trying to tell me it's caused by a genetic defect. http://forums.massassi.net/html/rolleyes.gif

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Seb
12-07-2003, 04:42 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Omg alpha1 how much of a noob can you be.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 04:44 PM
I can't support my argument anymore because my facts are based apon the bible and since alpha1 just wants to find some excuse to ban me. I think this thread should just be locked.

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alpha1
12-07-2003, 04:46 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
One last post.

MBegger. Ill quote the way I want too.
And you do have control og being gay. Unless you brainwashed or someone is controling you body Ex: being restrained or something. You have complete mental control of yourself and able to make decissions on your own. Even if you have the urge to do something doesnt mean you should.

Seb: I pitty you extreamly if you call the Bible a ******* book.

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so, people with schizofrenia(sp?) choose to act that way. you are basicaly saying that all brains are perfect and people are just doing things like groing realy fast (ie. acromegaly) because they choose to. Talk about ignorant. the braing can be upset by just a small knock to the head if it is in the right place.

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Jaiph
12-07-2003, 04:47 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Freelancer:
Murderers are different too. Am I discriminatory because I deny them of their civil rights by locking them up in a cell? Perhaps murderers are just misunderstood. Next, they'll be trying to tell me it's caused by a genetic defect. http://forums.massassi.net/html/rolleyes.gif

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...that's one of the poorest analogies I've seen in a long long while. Murder deprives another human of life. Two gay people being with each other has no harmful affect on anyone else.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 04:47 PM
No one was talking to you Seb. If you want to start another flame war go ahead. But whats between me alpha and Jaiph is none of your consern.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 04:49 PM
" Unless you brainwashed or someone is controling you body Ex: being restrained or something."

Which null and voids your "so, people with schizofrenia(sp?) choose to act that way." comment.

The rest I dont know what you said.

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Avenger
12-07-2003, 04:52 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
One last post.

MBegger. Ill quote the way I want too.
And you do have control og being gay. Unless you brainwashed or someone is controling you body Ex: being restrained or something. You have complete mental control of yourself and able to make decissions on your own. Even if you have the urge to do something doesnt mean you should.

Seb: I pitty you extreamly if you call the Bible a ******* book.

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You have no proof of that at all. That is just your opinion on the matter. Don't go waving around statements that you can't back up. Quoting the Bible is not proof.


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Let me just sum up all my opionions so I can stop waisting my time on one of the Supidest. Posts. Ever.

I DO NOT like gay people.
I DO NOT want to assioate with gay people.
I THINK being gay is wrong.

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Fine, that's your opinion. That's not what people are at issue with. The fact that you, by your own posts, approve of violence against people who are gay. This only perpetuates your own ignorance.

You contadtict yourself with your how "self-control" agrugument. You say people have complete self control of themselves yet you say being around a gay person will rub off on a straight person. Not only is the secong argument completely absurd, it contradicts what you posted before.

While I repsect your right to form your won opinions, I don't not respect people who forulated their opinions out of ignorance.

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Seb
12-07-2003, 04:52 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
No one was talking to you Seb. If you want to start another flame war go ahead. But whats between me alpha and Jaiph is none of your consern.

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Flame war? Nah. I was simply referring to the simple "registered Date" fact.

Oh, and if this is between you, Jeff and Alpha, then email yourselves if you don't want any of us to get involved, you know? http://forums.massassi.net/html/rolleyes.gif



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alpha1
12-07-2003, 04:54 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Vincent Valentine:

I have complete mental control of me. See I can life my arm up and down because my brain tell me. I think think for myself and everything. Im not sure that abilitys your controling your mind lacks.

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note to everyone but Nauree: i am sorry if this looks like spamming because i am still responding to posts as i find them.

Soooo
let me get this straight, you are a person who has absolutely no automatic functions in your body.

i am so sorry, someone who has to work that hard on manual digestion, iris movements, heartbeat, har growth and other bodily functions that are usualy austomatic is bound to be extremly tired and irrateable.[/sarcasm]

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 04:55 PM
"I was simply referring to the simple "registered Date" fact."

Your equaly as noobish as alpha1. I'v been coming to massassi long before you registered. I'v known massassi since its early days.

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Charlie
12-07-2003, 04:58 PM
Making any analogy to homosexuality such as schizophrenia or any other proven fact is like making an analogy of pixie dust and say salt... You cannot prove that pixie dust exists.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 04:59 PM
"You have no proof of that at all. That is just your opinion on the matter. Don't go waving around statements that you can't back up. Quoting the Bible is not proof."

Yes lets go as alpha suggested and move this form to the religion thread considering to me homosexuailty is in the bible.

And as for my complete mental control, im sorry if I didnt claryify myself. I was talking about know from good and bad.

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Freelancer
12-07-2003, 05:00 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jaiph:
...that's one of the poorest analogies I've seen in a long long while. Murder deprives another human of life. Two gay people being with each other has no harmful affect on anyone else.

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First of all, that's not an analogy. At least it wasn't intended to be. I hate analogies. http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif Second, since when are you the authority on morality? Unfortunately, society is what dictates murder to be wrong; not pure truth. What authority do you have to tell me that murder is worse than homosexuality? It doesn't matter that you're depriving another human of life. Who's to say that's a bad thing? You? And if so, for what reasons?

Third, you can't honestly tell me that homosexuality has no ill effects on, well, the individual. Every action has effects..

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Run
12-07-2003, 05:00 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Freelancer:
Society may mostly believe that homosexuality isn't a sin, but that doesn't make it true. There are a non-changing set of commandments that dictate our closeness to god. These things don't change, and homosexuality is a sin. </font>

But not everyone considers those commandments to be valid guidleines. If someone doesn't subscribe to your religion does that then absolve them of sin? (actually curious, not trying to call you out on it)


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">It could quite possibly destroy the human race not only morally but physically</font>

yeah I hate it when one person is allowed to express love for another person. http://forums.massassi.net/html/rolleyes.gif Too much emphasis is placed on the fact that Mr X loves a man. Mr X loving Mr Y is no different than Mr X loving Ms Y. Spread the love people.


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">If an issue like this could be lived with and accepted 1000's of years ago, why is it such a big problem today?
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Because only stupid people are breeding.

Jaiph
12-07-2003, 05:03 PM
Enough with this 'n00b' business already. When someone registered/started visiting here has nothing to do with this dicussion.

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Seb
12-07-2003, 05:03 PM
For Laiho's sake, You've no idea what you're advancing.

But I'll stop there. I'm not one to get elitist about my time here, but it seems you are.



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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 05:04 PM
Good God. I'm beginning to regret checking "Send E-mail Notification." My inbox is STUFFED.

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Charlie
12-07-2003, 05:04 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Run:
yeah I hate it when one person is allowed to express love for another person. Too much emphasis is placed on the fact that Mr X loves a man. Mr X loving Mr Y is no different than Mr X loving Ms Y. Spread the love people.
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Nauree
12-07-2003, 05:04 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Freelancer:
Society may mostly believe that homosexuality isn't a sin, but that doesn't make it true. There are a non-changing set of commandments that dictate our closeness to god. These things don't change, and homosexuality is a sin.


But not everyone considers those commandments to be valid guidleines. If someone doesn't subscribe to your religion does that then absolve them of sin? (actually curious, not trying to call you out on it)</font>

Im not sure if you know this or not but the base of the United States Conistutaion are the 10 commandments.

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lordvader
12-07-2003, 05:05 PM
Nauree, have the respect and maturity to attact people on the basis of their arguments, not on the basis of "omg stfu noob." I'm not even going to bother going into the actual issue of how new some people here are.

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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 05:05 PM
I'd agree, but that whole 2nd amendment thing conflicts with one of the commandments...

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Freelancer
12-07-2003, 05:05 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">But not everyone considers those commandments to be valid guidleines. If someone doesn't subscribe to your religion does that then absolve them of sin? (actually curious, not trying to call you out on it)</font>

That's just my point. There IS one right set of guidelines out there, and, obviously, they don't change. They are absolute. They don't change just because society does. If someone doesn't "subscribe" to these guidelines, I believe it DOES absolve them of their sin. It's sort of a "where much is given, much is required" type of thing.

For example: If god revealed himself to you, and all of his pure commandments to you, he holds you to your knowledge, whereas person X who hasn't received his truth would be judged according to how much truth they've been given and truly understand.

That's what I and my religion believe.

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alpha1
12-07-2003, 05:06 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Omg alpha1 how much of a noob can you be.

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less than you are.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jon`C:
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CookedHaggis
12-07-2003, 05:07 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
I DO NOT want to assioate with gay people.
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You realise that by being at Massassi you're doing just that?

Nauree
12-07-2003, 05:08 PM
"Nauree, have the respect and maturity to attact people on the basis of their arguments, not on the basis of "omg stfu noob." I'm not even going to bother going into the actual issue of how new some people here are."

You sure thats me? You might wana check alpha1 and Sebs post. I was just trying to stand up that I'v probly known massassi longer than Seb. Im not the one compairing register date to noob.

Edit: "You realise that by being at Massassi you're doing just that?"

Humm never thought of that. Good point.


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CygnusX
12-07-2003, 05:10 PM
I'm going to completely ignore Nauree because he's ignorant and shows absolutely no desire to educate himself, and probably never will. The sooner you guys realize that he can't be swayed, the sooner this argument will end.

Now, in regard to statements made by avenger216 and Checksum, why do you think talking about homosexuality, within the context in which that boy was talking about it, is wrong?


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by avenger216:
we should tolerate the people who are already like that and those who become that way but make NO effort to perpetuate it. like it or not, homosexuality is not a social norm. I dont hate them, I just dissapprove of their actions.</font>
Not talking about homosexuality isn't going to make it go away. Homosexuality isn't spread by word of mouth, or any other means. Do you honestly think that someone who learns about it is going to say, "Homosexuality, eh? I never thought of that! I think I'm going to be gay too!"

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alpha1
12-07-2003, 05:11 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
I can't support my argument anymore because my facts are based apon the bible and since alpha1 just wants to find some excuse to ban me. I think this thread should just be locked.

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yet as i said, we have a whole damn (finaly, i can say a word when i am ticked to show that i am serious and annoyed that isn;t cenored) religous forum. i you cant find it then you obiously only visited the front page once. otherwise you would have seen it if you scrolled down

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jon`C:
Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly. :)
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Jaiph
12-07-2003, 05:12 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">What authority do you have to tell me that murder is worse than homosexuality? It doesn't matter that you're depriving another human of life. Who's to say that's a bad thing? You? And if so, for what reasons?</font>

I already gave my reason. Murder kills another human being.....and if you don't see that as a valid reason why I consider murder worse than homosexuality or why I think murder is a bad thing then I'm honestly at a loss.


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">That's just my point. There IS one right set of guidelines out there, and, obviously, they don't change. They are absolute. They don't change just because society does. If someone doesn't "subscribe" to these guidelines, I believe it DOES absolve them of their sin. It's sort of a "where much is given, much is required" type of thing.

For example: If god revealed himself to you, and all of his pure commandments to you, he holds you to your knowledge, whereas person X who hasn't received his truth would be judged according to how much truth they've been given and truly understand.

That's what I and my religion believe.</font>

Which is why I guess we're just not going to agree on this point as I don't look to the Bible for guidance. I'm not saying that makes either of us right or wrong, just with somewhat incompatible trains of thought on this.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 05:15 PM
Thank you CygnusX. Untill someone shows me something higher than the word of God or proves to me God doesnt exist, no one will change my mind about homosexuality. And saying that not accepting homosexuality is not educating your self or something to that extent is in a way saying, that if you belive in the bible, that the bible is wrong.

Edit: In responce to alpha1 - I agree we should move this to the relgion form and just let it die. And please alpha1, as Iv been trying to do recently. Learn to type better.

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alpha1
12-07-2003, 05:16 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
"I was simply referring to the simple "registered Date" fact."

Your equaly as noobish as alpha1. I'v been coming to massassi long before you registered. I'v known massassi since its early days.

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yet you have only recently started posting. unless you have a way to proove that noone will believe you.

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Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly. :)
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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 05:18 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
I can't support my argument anymore because my facts are based apon the bible and since alpha1 just wants to find some excuse to ban me. I think this thread should just be locked. </font>

There's nothing wrong with having some of your basis of beliefs and argument from the Bible, in my opinion. But if you're making an argument you don't use ONE source of information to support it, you use many.

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lateralus
12-07-2003, 05:18 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Thank you CygnusX. Untill someone shows me something higher than the word of God or proves to me God doesnt exist, no one will change my mind about homosexuality. And saying that not accepting homosexuality is not educating your self or something to that extent is in a way saying, that if you belive in the bible, that the bible is wrong.

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The Bible also says "Love thy neighbor", or do you just skip over the parts that don't conform with your malformed ignoramic views on life?



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Nauree
12-07-2003, 05:19 PM
TimeWolfOfThePast - You shouldnt need more than one source if your using the bible.

Edit: alpha1 - I dont have to prove nothing to you. And maby you should be ban for trying to change the subject.[scasim]


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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 05:23 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
TimeWolfOfThePast - You shouldnt need more than one source if your using the bible.
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alpha1
12-07-2003, 05:23 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast:
There's nothing wrong with having some of your basis of beliefs and argument from the Bible, in my opinion. But if you're making an argument you don't use ONE source of information to support it, you use many.

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exactly. Even in year seven you need to use more than one source for projects.

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CookedHaggis
12-07-2003, 05:24 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Humm never thought of that. Good point.

</font>

I thought so...

Which is why it puzzles me that you're still posting. On your own logic, you should have either "become gay" or left since you don't want to associate with gay people. Or maybe, you know, it's really not a big deal...

Charlie
12-07-2003, 05:24 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by lateralus:
The Bible also says "Love thy neighbor", or do you just skip over the parts that don't conform with your malformed ignoramic views on life?
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The main basis of Jesus is that He loves all... Therefore since we Christians aspire to be like Jesus therefore we should love all people as well... However just because we love all people that doesn't mean we can't reach out to them.

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happydud
12-07-2003, 05:24 PM
I can see why they would do this (Note- I do not agree with this, but I can see their reasoning) IF the kid was calling someone else gay that wasn't. (Using it as an insult.)

But calling someone gay when they are.. and it's obvious they are.. (i.e. I have two mothers.) It's like a black person saying "Don't call me black!"

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Jedigreedo
12-07-2003, 05:25 PM
First of all, the main topic: The boy is definitely being wronged. He did not choose to have lesbian mothers, and he was putting gay into proper context. Hell if the school actually looked in a dictionary, rephrasing it to have both man and a woman in there would still be in context.

Copy and pasted quote from the article:
"Gay is when a girl likes another girl"
Could've even been:
"Gay is when a guy likes a girl"


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Dictionary.com
1. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
2. Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.
3. Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room.
4. Given to social pleasures.
5. Dissolute; licentious. </font>

So obviously the boy wasn't in error at all and the people in charge of that school are a bunch of idiots. These people are supposed to be educating when they're ignoring even the most obvious. Pathetic.

Second issue: I'm not even gonna bother with all that religion stuff, I think that's best left for a debate related to that.

Now, actual acceptance of gays. One thing I think that really corrupts the image of gays is things like movies or tv shows, they always show gays as overly sexual, hardly ever do they show them as just normal people. So obviously there are going to be people out there who watch tv and think that that those are the regular actions of a gay person. Ignoring the fact that obviously they would all differ.

I have been around a few gay guys, and they were just like anybody else I talked to. Never was anything odd or anything like that. Obviously just because I know gays that are cool people, doesn't mean that all of them are. There are going to be some bad apples out there. But there are countless people that are bad apples that are heteros as well.

Since when has beating up someone else based on their own preference been useful? How is beating up gays to set them "straight" ok? Nauree, I noticed you failed to see the Hitler comparison. Well considering he sentenced to death several gay people, simply because they were gay. Well obviously that is a very logical comparison.

It's one thing to be uncomfortable with homosexuality, I mean I think it'd be very disgusting to do it with a guy and such. But that's what I think, doesn't mean it should go for everybody. Hey I think cheesecake is gross, but there are several people who think different. http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif

We're not always going to agree, so how is it that when it comes to sexuality, hetero is the only way? When you think about it, both homo and hetero have their extreme parts. I mean S&M and such does go several ways, and yet that hasn't been labeled wrong by the whole hetero community. Why? Because it's ok for heteros to go into extreme sexualitys, but gays to have any sort of sex? NO NO NO WRONG! http://forums.massassi.net/html/rolleyes.gif

It's pointless, it's just a huge basket of hypocricy. It's one thing when you yourself think it's wrong, and don't agree with it. That's your opinion, ok fine. But to those that think their opinion should be followed by everyone because they're hetero, why? What makes you so high and mighty?

Saying it's ok for gays to be discriminated against is basically saying a human should be discriminated against for something personal to them that doesn't affect anybody else. Are you going to turn gay by being around them? No.

So why can't it be left at that, just you don't bother them and they won't bother you. Just let them live out their life, and you keep to yours.

I don't see why this is such a hard thing to do? -_-

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 05:25 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast:

http://boards.theforce.net/images/faces/plain.gif

Try to do a term paper or a persuasive essay using only one source and tell me what grade you get.
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Run
12-07-2003, 05:26 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Charlie:
Please, before I go on a tirade were you replying to the morally part or phsically part?
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Moral.


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Im not sure if you know this or not but the base of the United States Conistutaion are the 10 commandments.</font>

I'm well aware of that, that doesn't give you license to condemn whoever you want, especially since religous ethnicity is so prominent.

Freelancer: Thank you for answering that. You have no idea how happy I am that you didn’t come out with a “if you don’t believe what I do you’re going to hell” post. Personally I don't agree with classifying homosexuality as a sin based on what the bible says, but again just my opinion, I'm not trying to tell you to abandon your beliefs (that would lead to the horrors of the religous forum :eek http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif

TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 05:27 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
So you question Gods athority if you acculty belive in him.
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I reiterate the face: http://boards.theforce.net/images/faces/plain.gif

I stated before that I don't believe in him. However, if I did a term paper on let's say Jesus. While writing this report I used JUST the Bible for my source. I would get an F, most papers require five or more sources to get a near-UNBIASED viewpoint on the subject.


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alpha1
12-07-2003, 05:28 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Thank you CygnusX. Untill someone shows me something higher than the word of God or proves to me God doesnt exist, no one will change my mind about homosexuality. And saying that not accepting homosexuality is not educating your self or something to that extent is in a way saying, that if you belive in the bible, that the bible is wrong.

Edit: In responce to alpha1 - I agree we should move this to the relgion form and just let it die. And please alpha1, as Iv been trying to do recently. Learn to type better.

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it is hard to type neatly when I am responding to someone who seems to think that homosexuality is worese than murder. The only gay people I dont like are the ones that go after people that have made it clear that they are straight. ie. when gay people still try and go for someone they have been told is straight. (we realy need to find a more appropriate short word that means hetrosexual)

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 05:28 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CookedHaggis:
I thought so...

Which is why it puzzles me that you're still posting. On your own logic, you should have either "become gay" or left since you don't want to associate with gay people. Or maybe, you know, it's really not a big deal...</font>

Yes but no one has acculty came foward to me and told me "I'm gay."



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saberopus
12-07-2003, 05:29 PM
Nauree... homosexuality is exhibited in nature (read: not humans)...

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alpha1
12-07-2003, 05:32 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Im not sure if you know this or not but the base of the United States Conistutaion are the 10 commandments.

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what the hell happened to freedom of religion. when did that get repealled. have i slipped into some alternate universe where in america you can only be christian or other simmilar religions.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jon`C:
Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly. :)
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Nauree
12-07-2003, 05:32 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by alpha1:
it is hard to type neatly when I am responding to someone who seems to think that homosexuality is worese than murder. The only gay people I dont like are the ones that go after people that have made it clear that they are straight. ie. when gay people still try and go for someone they have been told is straight. (we realy need to find a more appropriate short word that means hetrosexual)

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I dont know if your just a 12 year old or what. You put words in my mouth. I didn't talk about homosexuality and murder. And theres no excuse for not typeing, to where I can acculty read it, without trying to figure out what you say.


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CookedHaggis
12-07-2003, 05:33 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Yes but no one has acculty came foward to me and told me "I'm gay." </font>

Why should that matter? If a particular person came forward and said "I'm gay" would you suddenly think different of them? Cause that's pretty closed-minded...

Nauree
12-07-2003, 05:34 PM
Thank you alpha1 to proving to me your less than a 12 year old, seeing as you'v never taken Civics before.

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alpha1
12-07-2003, 05:35 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
TimeWolfOfThePast - You shouldnt need more than one source if your using the bible.

Edit: alpha1 - I dont have to prove nothing to you. And maby you should be ban for trying to change the subject.[scasim]

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umm, the subject was already off topic. I anyone should be banned for taking it off topic it should be you as you are the one that started this arguement.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jon`C:
Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly. :)
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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 05:36 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
So you question Gods athority if you acculty belive in him.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast:

I reiterate the face: http://boards.theforce.net/images/faces/plain.gif

I stated before that I don't believe in him. However, if I did a term paper on let's say Jesus. While writing this report I used JUST the Bible for my source. I would get an F, most papers require five or more sources to get a near-UNBIASED viewpoint on the subject.

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I expect a response Nauree.

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Jaiph
12-07-2003, 05:36 PM
This thread is not being moved to the Religious Discussion forum.

Here's why.

When Wolfy posted this thread it revolved around the simple question of whether the school was right or wrong in punishing the kid for using the word in it's proper context.

That this has evolved into whether homosexuality itself is right or wrong was beyond his control so it would be unfair to move his thread simply because other people have turned it into something it wasn't to start with.

Also, Alpha1/Nauree give it a rest, really.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 05:36 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CookedHaggis:
Why should that matter? If a particular person came forward and said "I'm gay" would you suddenly think different of them? Cause that's pretty closed-minded...</font>

If someone came up to you saying I stole/rape/kill/harm. Would you think differently of them? Would you guard your wallet better? Would you cover your butt? Would you try to get away? Would you try to defend yourself?

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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 05:38 PM
I think it was inevitable that it would turn into a discussion on the right-and-wrongs of homosexuality.

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alpha1
12-07-2003, 05:40 PM
slightly off topic.

Nauree, do you come from wyoming. I read an article about a gay boy being bashed to death there and that that state is very homophobic.

If you say anything about the two "thats", then you don't know much about grammar.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jon`C:
Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly. http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif
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Jaiph
12-07-2003, 05:41 PM
Probably TimeWolfOfThePast, but in my opinion a thread should only be moved if the original post was in the wrong forum.

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CookedHaggis
12-07-2003, 05:43 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">If someone came up to you saying I stole/rape/kill/harm. Would you think differently of them? Would you guard your wallet better? Would you cover your butt? Would you try to get away? Would you try to defend yourself?</font>

Why would knowing who they sleep with make you want to defend yourself? They aren't trying to steal from/rape/kill/harm you. Their being gay has *no* effect on your life. Does it honestly bother you that some of the people at Massassi might be gay?

Nauree
12-07-2003, 05:43 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by alpha1:
slightly off topic.

Nauree, do you come from wyoming. I read an article about a gay boy being bashed to death there and that that state is very homophobic.

I you say anything about the two "thats", then you don't know much about grammer.

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I refer you to post 3 of this thread. And I am going to say something about the two "thats". It should be "That THE state is very homophobic.

Edit: spelling


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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 05:44 PM
Nauree, could you refer to page 4? I'd like a response to something I quoted you on.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 05:46 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast:
I expect a response Nauree.

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I belive I should not have to use more than one source if using the Bible. I belive that underminds God, therefor I would not make a topic about religion.


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Avenger
12-07-2003, 05:47 PM
So, the Bibble is fact now? I see.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 05:48 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CookedHaggis:
Why would knowing who they sleep with make you want to defend yourself? They aren't trying to steal from/rape/kill/harm you. Their being gay has *no* effect on your life. Does it honestly bother you that some of the people at Massassi might be gay?</font>

Coquensidently, I dont think internet should be considered a way of life. So, light emiting from my screen will not have any ill effect on me except from cancer rays. I will make a simily to considering the internet not a way of life as text on the screen shouldn't hurt my feelings.



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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 05:49 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I belive I should not have to use more than one source if using the Bible. I belive that underminds God, therefor I would not make a topic about religion.</font>

Do you go to a public or religious school, Nauree? If you went to a public school and said that you'd be slapped.

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alpha1
12-07-2003, 05:49 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Thank you alpha1 to proving to me your less than a 12 year old, seeing as you'v never taken Civics before.

</font>

As i said i live in australia. we dont get our head of governments beliefs shoved down our throats in school. we have numerous things that could be controversial but we can keep them under control. A much less controversial system is worth the price of not being able to say that your oppinions are extremly biassed aginst a group of people.

I am also nealy 17 and I have taken a legal studies class before. Only I probably got more out of it as I chose it and it seems like you only like things that totaly agree with your views.

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Lord Kuat
12-07-2003, 05:50 PM
Do you want to actually convince anyone of your point Nauree, or do you just want to flame on?

If you actually want to accomplish anything, stop insulting, and if you must, at least add some wit to it. Also, there is alot of anger in your statements.

Now, this is my opinion zone but:

1.) People cannot choose their sexual preference. My base to that argument is that reproduction is something every living being does, and almost any disorder with that I put under a "disease" or "genetic" category, not psychological (Sp?). Think about it, when you are "turned on" what does that mean? Well, in very blunt terms, some chemical reaction is going on, and you are feeling that, a reaction you can't control. Example: If the woman of your dreams walked into your room coverd in baby oil wearing only a g-string, you would be feeling something, no? And let me ask you this: could you control that feeling? Not what you do with it, but the feeling itself.

2.) If a homosexual finds another person of the same preference, they should be allowed to do whatever they want. Newsflash man, not everyone is a zealot, and other that relegion/social reprocussions, there is nothing inherently wrong with that, just "sharing the love"

3.) No one should try to "correct" anyone else if the action is doing no harm to anyone. If someone is acting counter to what you belive, too bad. Just ignore it. Now, if someone was bashing your skull in...

Pretty much that is it. If you must respond, do so intellegently.

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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 05:54 PM
There's nothing that actually needs "protecting" from a gay person. If the person is a rapist, then apprehension is certainly understandable, granting such an understatement. But simply because someone's gay doesn't mean that they're going to rape you.

You've hinted that you run in groups that don't consider sex a taboo topic. My friends, a group of straight, gay, and bisexual people, actually manage to generally not talk about sex. Sure, we may through in some appropriate comical innuendo, but there's nothing ever explicitly said.

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mb
12-07-2003, 05:54 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Coquensidently, I dont think internet should be considered a way of life. So, light emiting from my screen will not have any ill effect on me except from cancer rays. I will make a simily to considering the internet not a way of life as text on the screen shouldn't hurt my feelings.
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Freelancer
12-07-2003, 05:55 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I already gave my reason. Murder kills another human being.....and if you don't see that as a valid reason why I consider murder worse than homosexuality or why I think murder is a bad thing then I'm honestly at a loss.</font>

Okay, I don't really know how to proceed. I see where you're coming from, and no, I don't think homosexuality is worse than murder. This all boils down to the original point that.. gaflhsklfansdf. I give up. You win. http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif I lost any sort of point I was trying to make a long time ago, and it seems like I'm just arguing now for the sake of arguing. It's a horrible analogy, and.. yeah. I'm throwing in the towel.

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CookedHaggis
12-07-2003, 05:56 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">, I dont think internet should be considered a way of life....cancer rays....I will make a simily to considering the internet not a way of life as text on the screen shouldn't hurt my feelings</font>

But since text is just a different medium to speech, you are still getting the same opinions and personalities as you would if you met in person. The point still stands; you honestly change your opinion of someone based merely on who their partner is. Which is frankly no business of yours at all.

alpha1
12-07-2003, 05:56 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
If someone came up to you saying I stole/rape/kill/harm. Would you think differently of them? Would you guard your wallet better? Would you cover your butt? Would you try to get away? Would you try to defend yourself?

</font>

you still make analogies between homsexuality and things that actualy harm society by ending someones life without justification(ie. selfdefence againgst a gunman) unconscentual sex, assault and theivery. yet you just said that I made up the part about you saying that before.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jon`C:
Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly. :)
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Nauree
12-07-2003, 05:58 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by alpha1:
As i said i live in australia. we dont get our head of governments beliefs shoved down our throats in school. we have numerous things that could be controversial but we can keep them under control. A much less controversial system is worth the price of not being able to say that your oppinions are extremly biassed aginst a group of people.

I am also nealy 17 and I have taken a legal studies class before. Only I probably got more out of it as I chose it and it seems like you only like things that totaly agree with your views.

</font>

Then please do not make any statments about the US Laws as you probly do not know much about how they work and where they come from.



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I belive I should not have to use more than one source if using the Bible. I belive that underminds God, therefor I would not make a topic about religion.


Do you go to a public or religious school, Nauree? If you went to a public school and said that you'd be slapped.</font>

Acculty, I go to a public school and no, I would not be slaped. It would most likely be understood. Considerably, because 95% of the people here and around are religious people. And the only private schools around here are Calthloic schools. And you might want to rethink what you said about public school and slap. If you can compair it to similar posts earlier.




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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 06:01 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
And you might want to rethink what you said about public school and slap. If you can compair it to similar posts earlier.


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What's there to rethink?

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Seb
12-07-2003, 06:01 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CookedHaggis:
Why should that matter? If a particular person came forward and said "I'm gay" would you suddenly think different of them? Cause that's pretty closed-minded...</font>

Well, he seemed to do the same thing about a certain friend who started taking drugs ~shrugs~

You wanna use analogies Nauree? We can too.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 06:02 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by alpha1:
you still make analogies between homsexuality and things that actualy harm society by ending someones life without justification(ie. selfdefence againgst a gunman) unconscentual sex, assault and theivery. yet you just said that I made up the part about you saying that before.

</font>

alpha your still missing the point. We arnt talking about hurting society. We are talking about if homosexuality is good or bad. I think its bad and I gave other examples to what I also think is bad. Homosexuals can say that "Oh, being gay is good" and murders can say that "Oh, killing people is good" and Thevies can say that "Oh, stealing is fun". I hope your getting my point.


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alpha1
12-07-2003, 06:05 PM
I am judgeing that since america is not in a civil war, you do not have a law agianst homosexuality, if you did, the U.N would probably be having their meetings in either canada, australia or possibley euorope or the UK.

This would be becuase the U.N wants equal rights for all.

Anyway, I dont know about the us but in australia, reports on things in school need to have multiple sources (not just different websites but different types of sources as well) if we want to have the work even considered for marking.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jon`C:
Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly. :)
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Nauree
12-07-2003, 06:05 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Seb:
Well, he seemed to do the same thing about a certain friend who started taking drugs ~shrugs~

You wanna use analogies Nauree? We can too.

</font>


Thats fine. And you know why I layed him off? Its because I dont want to get into trouble. If im associting him with and the cops come up and search him and he has drugs, I get punished to. I would probly get charged with "Intent to buy illegial substances" and he would get get charged with Intent to sell.

Edit: Fixed some spelling.

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Lord Kuat
12-07-2003, 06:06 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
alpha your still missing the point. We arnt talking about hurting society. We are talking about if homosexuality is good or bad. I think its bad and I gave other examples to what I also think is bad. Homosexuals can say that "Oh, being gay is good" and murders can say that "Oh, killing people is good" and Thevies can say that "Oh, stealing is fun". I hope your getting my point.


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HOW DOES HOMOSEXUALITY IN ANY WAY HARM ANYTHING OTHER THAN YOUR FRAGILE MIND?

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CookedHaggis
12-07-2003, 06:07 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">We are talking about if homosexuality is good or bad.</font>

If it doesn't harm society and is a consential act between two people, in what (secular) way can it possibly be classed as "bad"? http://forums.massassi.net/html/confused.gif

alpha1
12-07-2003, 06:08 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:

Thats fine. And you know why I layed him off? Its because I dont want to get into trouble. If im associting him with and the cops come up and search him and he has drugs, I get punished to. I would probly get charged with "Intent to buy illegial substances" and he would get get charged with Intent to sell.

Edit: Fixed some spelling.

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Ummm... no you wont because the U.s has a little thing called innocent until prooven guilty. I am sure that if you could proove that you where friends before he took drugs then there would be not much chance of convicting you.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jon`C:
Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly. http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif
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Seb
12-07-2003, 06:09 PM
So, you forget a friendship, for some charges that could simply be forgotten by a simple blood-test?

Based on that logic, You would forget a friend, for the simple fact he likes guys and you like girls? Jeebus, remove your eyeband.

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mb
12-07-2003, 06:11 PM
just out of curiosity, how old are you Nauree

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Spork
12-07-2003, 06:11 PM
Nauree: GROW UP. Literally. You're only about 14, 15 or so, right? Admit you're younger and inherently have a naive outlook on the world, moreso than most of the people you're argueing with here, and come back to the arguement in 5-6 years. Once you've had more exposure to the real world you'll be able to form your own informed opinions, instead of just regurgitating what they drilled into you in several institutions. It happens to everyone, it's just part of growing up.

Oh and alpha:


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by alpha1:

I you say anything about the two "thats", then you don't know much about grammer.
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Firstly grammar is spelt 'ar'. Secondly, the start of your sentence doesnt make much sense. 'I you say'?

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saberopus
12-07-2003, 06:11 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CookedHaggis:
If it doesn't harm society and is a consential act between two people, in what (secular) way can it possibly be classed as "bad"? http://forums.massassi.net/html/confused.gif</font>

none. While it may be negative in the private opinions (or very public opinions in Nauree's case), it does not harm him. He should accept it, he does not have to advocate it.



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Nauree
12-07-2003, 06:12 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by alpha1:
Ummm... no you wont because the I.s has a little thing called innocent until prooven guilty. I am sure that if you could proove that you where friends before he took drugs then there would be not much chance of convicting you.

</font>

Ahh yes I would. The intent to Buy illegal drugs does not require a blood test. I could have been off drugs for a long while for all they know and going back for a little more. Shows how much you know about US Laws. I have no evidence except for his testimonty(sp?) and that won't do anything.



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alpha1
12-07-2003, 06:15 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Spork:
Nauree: GROW UP. Literally. You're only about 14, 15 or so, right? Admit you're younger and inherently have a naive outlook on the world, moreso than most of the people you're argueing with here, and come back to the arguement in 5-6 years. Once you've had more exposure to the real world you'll be able to form your own informed opinions, instead of just regurgitating what they drilled into you in several institutions. It happens to everyone, it's just part of growing up.

Oh and alpha:

Firstly grammar is spelt 'ar'. Secondly, the start of your sentence doesnt make much sense. 'I you say'?

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sorry, i ment to type "IF you say....."

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jon`C:
Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly. :)
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Spork
12-07-2003, 06:17 PM
Well I think 'Irony is spelling grammar poorly' http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif

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Jaiph
12-07-2003, 06:17 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Anyway, I dont know about the us but in australia, reports on things in school need to have multiple sources (not just different websites but different types of sources as well) if we want to have the work even considered for marking.</font>

I think it's somewhat pointless insisting Nauree provide alternate references to the Bible. There are no alternate references from where he is coming from. If you want to continue this line of argument I'd suggest debating Nauree's interpretation of the Bible if anything.

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alpha1
12-07-2003, 06:17 PM
and you would know what happens during a charge of intent to buy illicet drugs, wouldn't you nauree.

also, they would give you a lawyer and they would actualy listen to your side of the story, dispite what soap oprea's lead you to think.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jon`C:
Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly. :)
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Nauree
12-07-2003, 06:18 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Spork:
Nauree: GROW UP. Literally. You're only about 14, 15 or so, right? Admit you're younger and inherently have a naive outlook on the world, moreso than most of the people you're argueing with here, and come back to the arguement in 5-6 years. Once you've had more exposure to the real world you'll be able to form your own informed opinions, instead of just regurgitating what they drilled into you in several institutions. It happens to everyone, it's just part of growing up.

Oh and alpha:

Firstly grammar is spelt 'ar'. Secondly, the start of your sentence doesnt make much sense. 'I you say'?

</font>

I dont know what kind of point your trying to get out but I'm trying to defend myself by showing why I THINK homosexuality is bad. And as for the institution comment, the only institution I go to is public school. I'd like to see you say the same thing by growing up in a whole state of people who think homosexuality is bad, proven by the first post of this topic. Yes, I live in Louisiana.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 06:20 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by alpha1:
and you would know what happens during a charge of intent to buy illicet drugs, wouldn't you nauree.

also, they would give you a lawyer and they would actualy listen to your side of the story, dispite what soap oprea's lead you to think.

</font>

Wow, so your trying to tell me my laws of the land from which you have no idea about my state, parish, and city laws. Wow, thats....wow....

Edit: Yes, I have taken US civics.


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TimeWolfOfThePast
12-07-2003, 06:23 PM
You two should stop nagging on each other.

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Spork
12-07-2003, 06:25 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
I dont know what kind of point your trying to get out but I'm trying to defend myself by showing why I THINK homosexuality is bad. And as for the institution comment, the only institution I go to is public school. I'd like to see you say the same thing by growing up in a whole state of people who think homosexuality is bad, proven by the first post of this topic. Yes, I live in Louisiana. </font>

Church is an institution. Arguably, so is the family.

And that's exactly my point! You're just conforming to your surroundings. These arent your opinions, they're the ones that have been drilled into you by your church, school, friends, family. Give it a few years, mature a little. Make your own mind up, dont have it made up for you.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 06:29 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Spork:
Church is an institution. Arguably, so is the family.

And that's exactly my point! You're just conforming to your surroundings. These arent your opinions, they're the ones that have been drilled into you by your church, school, friends, family. Give it a few years, mature a little. Make your own mind up, dont have it made up for you.

</font>

Church, school, friends, and family should be your life with also your hobbies and your job. What else can you think of that should be your life?

Edit: You know I thought about it and your right. Maby I shouldnt take in the wisdom of the elders at my church and the experiences from my friends and knowlage from school.[scarsim]


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alpha1
12-07-2003, 06:30 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Spork:
Church is an institution. Arguably, so is the family.

And that's exactly my point! You're just conforming to your surroundings. These arent your opinions, they're the ones that have been drilled into you by your church, school, friends, family. Give it a few years, mature a little. Make your own mind up, dont have it made up for you.

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don't bother spork, next he will say something like, "how would you know. you grew up in austraia, where i live we can't help but give in to peer pressure.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jon`C:
Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly. :)
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by spork:Well I think 'Irony is spelling grammar poorly'</font>

Run
12-07-2003, 06:30 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
I'd like to see you say the same thing by growing up in a whole state of people who think homosexuality is bad, </font>

You're not thinking at all, you're regurgitating what has been fed to you and using peer pressure as an excuse to validate your prejudices.

Edit: *********, I hate it when people insta-post me on the same thing I just wrote.



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alpha1
12-07-2003, 06:32 PM
whoa!!!

I was actualy right.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jon`C:
Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly. :)
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by spork:Well I think 'Irony is spelling grammar poorly'</font>

alpha1
12-07-2003, 06:33 PM
i am going to bow out of this fight for a while to calm down. goodbye.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jon`C:
Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly. :)
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by spork:Well I think 'Irony is spelling grammar poorly'</font>

Nauree
12-07-2003, 06:33 PM
You know....You people remind me of a relative of mine...Who is about to be homeless alcholic with 2 kids from differnt mates and not married to anyone of thoes mates.

Edit: Ren - I dont know where your getting peer pressure from.

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Avenger
12-07-2003, 06:35 PM
There is value in listening to your elders and friends and other such institutions in helping you discover your own beliefs and ideas. Blindly accpeting what someone else beleives becuase they say so without coming to your own conclusions and decsions shows closed and weak mindedness

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Jaiph
12-07-2003, 06:39 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
You know....You people remind me of a relative of mine...Who is about to be homeless alcholic with 2 kids from differnt mates and not married to anyone of thoes mates.
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...I have no hope in joining the dots on that one. Anyway.

Yes, calming down would be a good idea for a few people here. This is the point where the coach calls Time Out.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 06:41 PM
You people are making assumations(sp?) and conclusions(sp?) about whats happening in my life, in which you dont know a damn thing to whats happening in my community. I'v been around gay people and based apon my own experience, I dont like they way they dress, I dont like how they act like the opposite sex and I am offended on how people of the same sex treat each other sexualy. I KNOW its not my busness about there sexualty but when you have gays giving booty on school transportion I cant help but to not know that something isnt going on.

Edit: Spelling, and im not mad.

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Spork
12-07-2003, 06:44 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Church, school, friends, and family should be your life with also your hobbies and your job. What else can you think of that should be your life?

Edit: You know I thought about it and your right. Maby I shouldnt take in the wisdom of the elders at my church and the experiences from my friends and knowlage from school.[scarsim]
</font>

Firstly, it's 'maybe', 'knowledge', and 'sarcasm'.

Secondly, I'm not saying you should ignore these influences in your life, I'm just saying you should not take what they say as absolute cannon. It's your right to make your own mind up, dont waste that.

[edit: read Avenger's post also, we're saying the same thing]

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Wolfy
12-07-2003, 06:57 PM
If you're going to correct people's spelling, Spork, it's "canon." http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif

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Emon
12-07-2003, 06:57 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
I dont like they way they dress, I dont like how they act like the opposite sex and I am offended on how people of the same sex treat each other sexualy.</font>

Wow, what a horrible mess of assumptions. Gay people don't all dress stereotypically gay, they don't always talk like that, and they don't always engage in homosexual sexual activities. And you don't even know if the gay people you are around even do that, so how can you be offended by it?? That doesn't make any sense.

And on top of that, I bet all the people you think are gay, are probably straight. Either that, or you're making all this up and just trolling.

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Mikus
12-07-2003, 07:13 PM
Having read only the first and last pages of this thread I fully agree with Nauree. Gays = bad.

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mb
12-07-2003, 07:18 PM
Mikus, maybe you should read the thread before you totally agree with Nauree

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ECHOMAN
12-07-2003, 07:19 PM
Is it me or do I sense Mikus just wants to start trouble (this and other posts)?

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Lord Kuat
12-07-2003, 07:23 PM
Maybe he feels bad that Nauree is all alone.

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Mikus
12-07-2003, 07:23 PM
Actually I just hate everyone and that tends to agitate people.

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BV
12-07-2003, 07:28 PM
"I hate people because of the way they dress, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!"

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Kieran Horn
12-07-2003, 07:34 PM
First off, there is no way in **** I'm going to read the entire thread. 6 pages in one day instantly makes me think "cluster****" in my mind. So let me just comment on the article on page 1.

The school is being completely asinine. He is not using the word gay to degrade. He is just explaining why he doesn't have a dad. "gay is when a girl likes another girl".

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Spork
12-07-2003, 07:41 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wolfy:
If you're going to correct people's spelling, Spork, it's "canon." http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif

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cazor
12-07-2003, 07:41 PM
You guys need to calm down. The word 'gay' has become a word synonomus with stupid or dumb. Unless the lesson the kid was talking about actually had to do with homosexual interraction, then he meant stupid. If not... then he can go burn in hell.

Oh and nauree, maybe you just need to take a dip onto the other side of the pond, if you catch my drift. If you wanna talk i'm CazorFett on AIM. http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif

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Mikus
12-07-2003, 07:48 PM
On further inspection I have this to say:
They totally overreacted, the kid was using the word in context with innocent enough purpose, and he did no wrong, they were COMPLETELY out of line, and that kid should get a fat cash settlement.
Gays = bad

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Vin
12-07-2003, 07:50 PM
I hate how you guys taunt each other with ages. As if how old are you affects the validity of anything you say. Experience is the only thing that matters, and Nauree has had enough homophobia indoctrinated into him and has already formed his opinion.

Second, the bible is not a valid reference. The bible is not an unbiased source. Quoting that on a topic about homosexuality is like using Hitler's opinion on the subject of minority rights. Also understand that the majority of the world does not believe that bible to be truth.

This topic is pointless. The original focus is lost and now it's just a bunch of opinionated people trying to convice other opinionated people that their opinion is wrong. Homosexuality is and will always be around. Live with it.

What is wrong, however, is beating or harrassing someone because they're gay. People who do or support such activity are incredibly ignorant and need to be relieved of the chore of living. It is a sad man who has been indoctrinated with such hate that he has to indulge in acts of violence against people they think are wrong, even if it is to 'set them straight.'

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JediHunter_X
12-07-2003, 07:58 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
I'v been around gay people and based apon my own experience, I dont like they way they dress, I dont like how they act like the opposite sex and I am offended on how people of the same sex treat each other sexualy. I KNOW its not my busness about there sexualty but when you have gays giving booty on school transportion I cant help but to not know that something isnt going on.

</font>

Well, going from that post, it sounds like the only exposure to homosexuals you've ever had is South Park. I've known quite a few gay people, and NONE of them fit the stereotypes you listed there.


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Raven
12-07-2003, 08:00 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Yes but no one has acculty came foward to me and told me "I'm gay."
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i'm gay...or a lesbian if you think theres a diffrence



<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I'm proud to say that I am a lesbian. I can't stand men, and this thread just reminds me of that. I'm quite offended by Nauree's ignorant comments...
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and i actually like guys.. just y'know not sexually


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">lets all just agree that homosexuality is ok and people can do what ever they want, as long as it doesn't hurt someone else.
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Lord Kuat
12-07-2003, 08:05 PM
Personally, I love lesbians.

Sorry, I had to say that.

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Mikus
12-07-2003, 08:05 PM
But it DOES hurt other people. One time I woke up in the morning and there was an extremely hairy, fat man wearing only a leather thong on the front page of my newspaper. I'm scarred for life.

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12-07-2003, 08:06 PM
Mikus, shut it if your not going to add anything usefull to this debate.

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Mikus
12-07-2003, 08:08 PM
I'm discussing my own personal experience in relation to the topic at hand, whereas you are merely attacking me. Who is adding less to the debate my friend?

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Jaiph
12-07-2003, 08:09 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cazor:
You guys need to calm down. The word 'gay' has become a word synonomus with stupid or dumb. Unless the lesson the kid was talking about actually had to do with homosexual interraction, then he meant stupid. If not... then he can go burn in hell.</font>

Er, you might try reading the article first Cazor.

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TombFyre
12-07-2003, 08:10 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Raven:

thats what im talkin' 'bout. tombfyre's my new god http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif

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yeah, i am actually everbody's god. it is only that some people do not realize it yet
and, oh yeah:
lets all just agree again that homosexuality is ok and people can do what ever they want, as long as it doesn't hurt someone else.



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Correction
12-07-2003, 08:10 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lord Kuat:
Personally, I love lesbians.

Sorry, I had to say that.

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*pats you on the head*

its okay, you should see my profile on AIM http://forums.massassi.net/html/redface.gif

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Zit
12-07-2003, 08:11 PM
The word gay needs to be used in context at times.

PS: Guys why are you carrying this flame war over from another thread, its just calling for the hammer.

SAS | nauticus.enigma
12-07-2003, 08:14 PM
I want you to be honest on this Nauree,

If your best friend told you he was gay, what would you do?

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Kieran Horn
12-07-2003, 08:35 PM
sigh.......

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Schming
12-07-2003, 08:37 PM
Nauree, seriously, come off your Holier-Than-Thou Throne, it's very off-putting and since you say that you're a Christian it's not the way that you should act. Telling people on this forum that they remind you of an alcoholic relative because they dont agree with your views... yeah...

Have to say the reason that homosexuals are called gay is because they are happy. All of the gay people I know are the most outgoing and cool people I've ever met. I really dont understand where Nauree's going with his 'the way they dress' thing. They dress like everyone else, there's no stereotypical gay-dress, at least not anymore. Maybe the reason you think this is because where you grow up, where everyone hates homosexuals, has no fashion sense.

Also, I've talked to one of my gay friends about it. I asked him if he knew he was always gay and he said "yes, I've never been attracted to a woman, even when I was younger (meaning like hitting puberty and everyone's a horny little devil)" and then he asked me if I was always attracted to women and I said "yes" and then he said "well there you have it." And as I said before he's one of the coolest guys I've ever met and he always gives me crap about how I dress saying 'oh that's nice! your tendencies are coming out!' and before you go off on me, we always joke about me turning gay even though I know that wont happen, the entire 'one bad apple analogy' doesnt apply to homosexuality. Like it was stated before it's not a disease.

Nauree, please remind yourself that there are people in the world that have beliefs different than yours, in fact it's a perfect time for you to think about other cultures right now! Ramadan (sp?) just finished and Hanukah and Christmas are right around the corner!

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Juztyn
12-07-2003, 08:45 PM
Just.. wow. My homophobia meter is going off the scale in this thread. Gays aren't out to get you, people. There's nothing to be afraid of.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 08:52 PM
Now that I am back from my AA session I will answer all you flames, questions, stupids with my indefinate wisdom.

To Emon on 6:57 - My post is not a big assumption. The people at my school that are gay dress like women, they talk gay where I live. Even if I havnt seen them do it I know they have to have done something to become gay which leads to a mental picture. The people I know are straight as proven by there girlfriends unless they are deciving me by being gay with girls.

Cazor on 7:41 - No, I do not and will not ever talk with you on AIM with that "dip onto the other side of the pond" comment, implying homosexualy talk with me. You are now on my block list.

Vincent on 7:50 - Bible is a valid reference to people who belive and god and in the bible but seemlying its no valid here since every here are athisits but where I come from everyone here are either Caltholic, Baptist, or Christion. There are very little athisits.

JediHunter_X on 7:58 - I think Southpark should go to hell. No, I do not watch Southpark.

Raven on 8:00 - Quote on tombfyre. Homosexuality hurts me. I get mental pictures that I don't want and this post thread has been hell for me trying to defend myself. But after the 1 or 2 second picture I am able to supress myself with my full mental control, supporting my mental control comments in other posts.

SAS | nauticus.enigma on 8:14 - Seeing as none of my friends are gay as they all have or had or have to intent to have girlfriends. If a friend did become gay I would supress interaction with him. This is a good example as I have went neutral with a friend because he started playing EQ. I dont hate him for playing it but I see it is a complete waist of time seeing as his mom ban him from other MMRPGs and hes just waisting all his money not being able to play.

Edit: Spelling

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Emon
12-07-2003, 08:59 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
I know they have to have done something to become gay</font>

You don't have to have been involved in homosexual sexual activities to become homosexual. Many homosexuals refrain from it because of their religion, or for other reasons.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 08:59 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Schming:
Nauree, seriously, come off your Holier-Than-Thou Throne, it's very off-putting and since you say that you're a Christian it's not the way that you should act. Telling people on this forum that they remind you of an alcoholic relative because they dont agree with your views... yeah...

Have to say the reason that homosexuals are called gay is because they are happy. All of the gay people I know are the most outgoing and cool people I've ever met. I really dont understand where Nauree's going with his 'the way they dress' thing. They dress like everyone else, there's no stereotypical gay-dress, at least not anymore. Maybe the reason you think this is because where you grow up, where everyone hates homosexuals, has no fashion sense.

Also, I've talked to one of my gay friends about it. I asked him if he knew he was always gay and he said "yes, I've never been attracted to a woman, even when I was younger (meaning like hitting puberty and everyone's a horny little devil)" and then he asked me if I was always attracted to women and I said "yes" and then he said "well there you have it." And as I said before he's one of the coolest guys I've ever met and he always gives me crap about how I dress saying 'oh that's nice! your tendencies are coming out!' and before you go off on me, we always joke about me turning gay even though I know that wont happen, the entire 'one bad apple analogy' doesnt apply to homosexuality. Like it was stated before it's not a disease.

Nauree, please remind yourself that there are people in the world that have beliefs different than yours, in fact it's a perfect time for you to think about other cultures right now! Ramadan (sp?) just finished and Hanukah and Christmas are right around the corner!

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Acculty, being a christian doesnt force me to like everyone. There is no rule in the bible that forces you to have assoation with people you dont like. So, I dont want to have anything to deal with them. And as for how they act/dess/whatever examples I gave in earlyer posts, you just telling me how gay people over there, where you live, are like, I'm telling you how they are over where I live are like. I belive homosexuality is bad, you cant convence me its good because I am a Christian, I belive in the bible, and in the bible it states that homosexuality is bad. The only way you people will ever change my mind is convencing me gay is good is if you prove to me there is no God.


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Nauree
12-07-2003, 09:02 PM
Haha, if you do not do any sexual things to members of the same sex there not gay and therefor I have no problem.

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lateralus
12-07-2003, 09:03 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Acculty, being a christian doesnt force me to like everyone. There is no rule in the bible that forces you to have assoation with people you dont like. So, I dont want to have anything to deal with them. And as for how they act/dess/whatever examples I gave in earlyer posts, you just telling me how gay people over there, where you live, are like, I'm telling you how they are over where I live are like. I belive homosexuality is bad, you cant convence me its good because I am a Christian, I belive in the bible, and in the bible it states that homosexuality is bad. The only way you people will ever change my mind is convencing me gay is good is if you prove to me there is no God.


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Have you ever read the Bible? I would say that if you are a good Christian, then I would want to stray as far away from Christianity as I possibly could.

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Jaiph
12-07-2003, 09:03 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Acculty, being a christian doesnt force me to like everyone.</font>

I must have missed the "Love thy neighbour, unless thy neighbour checkth thy rear endth out" amendment to the commandments.

I always thought it was "hate the sin, not the sinner".

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TombFyre
12-07-2003, 09:05 PM
so if somone doesn't have sex until they get married, they aren't straight until they get married?

anyway, they might not engage in gay sex because they are afraid of being harrased[.]
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Emon
12-07-2003, 09:06 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Haha, if you do not do any sexual things to members of the same sex there not gay and therefor I have no problem.</font>

Yes, they are. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=homosexual)


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Nauree
12-07-2003, 09:06 PM
I have read the bible. I have yet to say "I HATE [gay people]" I do not approve of homosexuality and I do not want to be in the affairs of a homosexual.

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Raven
12-07-2003, 09:08 PM
yer in my affairs baby

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 09:09 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Emon:
Yes, they are. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=homosexual)


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Yes you prove me right, even been attracted to memeber of the same sex is a sexual orientation.

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Emon
12-07-2003, 09:10 PM
I'm attracted to a girl at school, does that mean I've had sex with her?

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 09:12 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TombFyre:
so if somone doesn't have sex until they get married, they aren't straight until they get married?

anyway, they might not engage in gay sex because they are afraid of being harrased by nauree....i mean bigots. my mistake

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If you want to start a flame war thats not my problem but dont go around starting harassments. No, I do not belive I have harassed anyone but if you think "I dont like gay people" is a harassment get over it because its not.

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