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Mystic0
12-06-2003, 09:53 PM
I just finished building a computer, and I used a hard drive from my old computer. Now, it had winXP and linux on it, as well as a good bootloader that let me do all sorts of adjustments.

But for some reason, my bios won't recognize my CD drives! I have 2, and they both work in linux, but the comp dosn't recognize bootable disks on startup. The floppy does work. How do I get my motherboard to rocognize these disks?

I reformated my hard drive, and I get the same problem. (I reinstalled the bootload with some floppys, but linux is gone.)

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gbk
12-06-2003, 09:58 PM
Check your BIOS settings...

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Mystic0
12-06-2003, 10:00 PM
Er, how do you do that GBK? There is a jumper on the motherboard that changes the startup mode, but other than that I have no idea.

This was generated by the bootloader:


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Disk Administrator hard disks
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Disk 1
Standard properties:
BIOS Number: 080h
Sectors per Track: 63
Heads: 255
MS-DOS Cylinders: 1023
PTS-DOS Cylinders: 1024
Total Cylinders: 7297
MS-DOS Size: 7.9G
PTS-DOS Size: 7.9G
Total Size: 55.9G
DA_API uses BIOS Extension above 7.9G
HDPT properties:
Cylinders: 1024
Heads: 255
Sectors per Track: 63
Phys. Cylinders: 16383
Phys. Heads: 16
Phys. Sectors per Track: 63
Precompensation Cylinder: 128
Landing Cylinder: 16383
Reserved: 000h
Defect Map Present: No
Disabled ECC Retry: No
Disabled Access Retry: No
Extended properties:
Extension Version: 3.0
Functions Supported: Ext. EDD
Transparent DMA: No
CHS Information: None
Removable Drive: No
Write with Verify: No
Change-line: No
Lockable Drive: No
Cylinders: 16383
Heads: 16
Sectors per Track: 63
Total Sectors: 117231408
Sector Size: 512
EDD properties:
Base Port: Primary Master
Control Port: 003F6h
LBA Enabled: Yes
Proprietary: 000h
Multi-Sectors: 16
PIO: IRQ14 Mode 4 Fast Block
DMA: DRQ0 Mode 0
Translation: LBA Phoenix
Removable: No
ATAPI Device: No
32-bit: Yes
Reserved: 00000h
EDD Revision: 1.1

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Disk Administrator sector dumps
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Disk 1 sector 00000001 (CHS 00000000, 00, 02):
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Disk 1 sector 00000000 (CHS 00000000, 00, 01):
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Disk Administrator tables and bootsectors
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Disk 1 Free space of size 55.9G:
First physical sector: 1 (cyl. 0, head 0, sec. 2)
Last physical sector: 117226304 (cyl. 7296, head 254, sec. 63)
Total physical sectors: 117226304


Disk 1 MBR (Master Boot Record):
First physical sector: 0 (cyl. 0, head 0, sec. 1)
Last physical sector: 0 (cyl. 0, head 0, sec. 1)
Total physical sectors: 1

Table structure:
Extended boot sector: 0
Extended hidden partitions: 000h (Unused)
000h (Unused)
000h (Unused)
000h (Unused)
Extended boot disk: 000h
Extended patch flags: FAT16(-) MS-DOS7+(-) FAT32(-) OS/2(-)
Extended OS/2 patch: 000h
Extended checksum (0F2h): 0F2h
Extended size (14): 14
NT serial number: 070A570A5h
Extended serial number: 017DEh
I Flag Begin CHS End CHS Begin Size Type
- - ------------------ ------------------ ---------- ---------- -------------
0 A 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 000h (Unused)
A 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 000h (Unused)
- - ------------------ ------------------ ---------- ---------- -------------
1 - 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 000h (Unused)
- 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 000h (Unused)
- - ------------------ ------------------ ---------- ---------- -------------
2 - 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 000h (Unused)
- 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 000h (Unused)
- - ------------------ ------------------ ---------- ---------- -------------
3 - 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 000h (Unused)
- 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 000h (Unused)
Boot sign (0AA55h): 0AA55h

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Disk Administrator file systems
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Mystic0
12-06-2003, 10:02 PM
If it helps, my motherboard is the Intel D875PBZ.

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Mystic0
12-06-2003, 10:29 PM
Okey, I checked my BIOS settings, and all the drives are regestered. There was one thing that said "Plug & Play OS" and I enabled it... did nothing. There is nothing in the BIOS that seemed to matter. What(TF) do I do? http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif

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Darth Evad
12-06-2003, 10:47 PM
So your BIOS does see the drives and your OS doesn't?


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DrkJedi82
12-06-2003, 10:56 PM
are the cables plugged in properly?

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Malus
12-06-2003, 11:40 PM
Change the order in which the PC looks for drives to boot off of. All of my motherboards default in such a way that CD-ROM isn't before the hard drive in boot order, making it impossible to boot off a CD.

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gbk
12-07-2003, 11:43 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
...CDROM drives are controled my the device manager. So if you want to boot your computer from a CD you have to load the drivers from a floopy into the command prompt since the floopy is controled by the BIOs</font>

Hey, thats kinda funny. Cause . you know . . . I dont have a 'Device manager' . . and yet . . my CDRW works . . my DVD drive works . . and ya know whats even funnier? I can boot my system with a CD without a floppy drive.


No, dude, CDs can be bootable, you dont need DOS, you dont need boot floppies. Whatever the demonic fairy told you on your majical trip through pixie-dust land aint true.

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Mystic0
12-07-2003, 11:55 AM
Yeah, I don't even have an operating system installed right now. Does the order they are detected have to do with the jumpers? Or is it in the BIOS congig? In any case, the drives work fine... the BIOS just isn't picking them up on startup.

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gbk
12-07-2003, 11:58 AM
Mystic, check your master/slave jumper configs on the drives, and make sure they are getting power...

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Mystic0
12-07-2003, 12:34 PM
Ok, I know they are getting power as I am able to open them. I also know that I took all my drives out of a working SONY computer and havn't touched the jumpers ever. But then I don't have the box or manuel for any of those dirves either. :/

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Mystic0
12-07-2003, 12:35 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
win xp doesnt allow for anymore hardward changes and if you change something, it locks down or something, I dont know. But that probly wasn't your case.

</font>

Actually, I think it was. http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif



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Mystic0
12-07-2003, 12:38 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Ya you can boot with a CDROM because the drivers are in your HD. But if you dont have an OS and no drivers in the harddrive you HAVE to load the drivers in the command.com THOUGH the floppy drive BECAUSE CDROMs arn't controled by CMOS ROMs aka BIOs.

</font>

If this is true, then why was I able to access the drives in linux but not on startup? There must have been drivers on the OS then, but it didn't make a difference.


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Mystic0
12-07-2003, 12:40 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Man just go to some noob computer to place and get them to fix it. we cant help you here because we cant see it. As I said before.

</font>

Dude, I'm not a retard. If you don't want to help then that's okey.



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gbk
12-07-2003, 12:42 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
..."Ahh, Your deivce manager IS in the operating system. Every operating system has a device manager. Ya you can boot with a CDROM because the drivers are in your HD. But if you dont have an OS and no drivers in the harddrive you HAVE to load the drivers in the command.com THOUGH the floppy drive BECAUSE CDROMs arn't controled by CMOS ROMs aka BIOs.
</font>


Wow. Dude . . . can I buy some crack from you?

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 12:45 PM
GBK have you taken computer architicure before?

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gbk
12-07-2003, 12:49 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
GBK have you taken computer architicure before?</font>

Yes. Ive also built more computers than you apparently seen. Go out and get a copy of "The PC Bootstrap Sequence For Dummies" and read it. You might learn a thing or two.

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Ni
12-07-2003, 12:50 PM
What motherboard do you have? Some old motherboards diddnt allow booting from CD-Rom which is why the win98 boot disk had a "Start computer with CD-ROM support" option.

In your bios, check the section called "Standard CMOS setup"

Here you can configure your drives. Set all 4 options to auto and it will find them itself. (Or at least should)

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gbk
12-07-2003, 01:07 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
...And tell me GBK, why isnt there Bootable CDRoms? You can not boot with CDRoms on an "EMPTY" hard drive because the CDRom has NO drivers.</font>


L O L ! !

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gbk
12-07-2003, 01:13 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Just as I thought. Not smart enuff to give a correct answer.
</font>


No . . . I just . . cant . . stop . . laughing . .


You wrong. Accept it, and move on. And next time, be wary of proclaiming things of which you KNOW NOTHING.


You can boot CDs on systems with blank hard drives, and even systems that lack hard drives altogether. Dont believe me? Try it. Youll find that I am right. Now stop this nonsense before you make *more* of a fool of yourself.

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 01:17 PM
Oh man, your still being an idiot. We do it all the freaken time in our class. Hell, we just got a whole load of new computers from the warehouse and formated them. And what did we use to install an OS? You guessed it! A floppy to boot. Still saying no? Then why would we waist our time loading the drivers in the memory to make the CDRoms work to install the OS. Kthxbye.

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gbk
12-07-2003, 01:20 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
...Then why would we waist our time loading the drivers in the memory to make the CDRoms work to install the OS...</font>


...Because you didnt realize that you could simply throw in a bootable CD and be done with it? Accept your ignorace, learn from your mistakes. MOVE ON.

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gbk
12-07-2003, 01:24 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
Tell me why when I burn a bootable CDRom on nero that it also has to put files on a floppy also? Yup.

</font>

I dont know, Ive never used Nero. But you tell me, how did I install this copy of Suse 8.2 on this workstation, that had 2 blank hard drives, NO FLOPPY DRIVE, off of CDs? Because the CDs are BOOTABLE. If it wernt possible to boot from CDs, I wouldnt be making this post.

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Mystic0
12-07-2003, 01:27 PM
***R E S O L V E D***

First: Stop the flame war!
Nauree, wtf are you on, you don't need an OS or a floppy to boot from the CD...
It's working woot!

I had to change the boot priority and put the disk drive over the hard drive in the BIOS congig.

The bad news:
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My old SONY bootdisk dosn't want to let me install winXP, so I have a couple of options. I'm installing linux, but I'm gonna need to get a copy of WinXP/Win2000 on ebay. Or I could use a windows emulator... whatever. There is one cavet though, and that is that WinXP comes with an activation code that can only be used a certain way and a used copy of winXP might not install.

YAA!!!!!!! http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif

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Nauree
12-07-2003, 01:27 PM
I belive you. Im sure there some BIOs out there that support CDRom drivers but most BIOs dont.

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gbk
12-07-2003, 01:29 PM
Yeah, most ``repair CDs`` wont work on systems other than those they were intended for.


What distro are you installing? http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif

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gbk
12-07-2003, 01:31 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nauree:
I belive you. Im sure there some BIOs out there that support CDRom drivers but most BIOs dont. </font>

Pre ~1994, yeah. Also, CD drives from that era lacked support for bootable CDs. But anything make in the past 10 years should be able to boot CDs just fine.
If all the experiance youve ever had was on obsolete crap, I pity you.

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Ictus
12-07-2003, 01:34 PM
Nauree: GBK is right, of course. You, sir, are pitifully wrong. Any computer manufactured in the last 5 or 10 years will probably be able to boot from a CD.

Look up "El Torito" and "cd rom" on Google sometime.

[edit]Damn it, I'm late. I wanted to flame him too.

Mystic0: Go ahead and buy XP used: bypassing activation isn't difficult.

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Mystic0
12-07-2003, 02:05 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GBK:

What distro are you installing? http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif

</font>

Mandrake http://forums.massassi.net/html/redface.gif... not because I'm stupid but because it's all I have right now. I hear Debian and Slackware are good though. I will probobly get WinXP pro with a partition, simply because I don't feel like dealing with emulators. http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif

Oh, and I'll take this time to show off the sweet system I just built:
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Intel D875PBZ mobo
Intel P4 2.6 GHz 800 FSB with HT
2 sticks of dual channel 512mb PC-3200 DDR SDRAM @ 400 MHz each
Geforce 4 TI 4200 (Soon will be a Radeon 9700 pro)
Sound Blaster Audigy
Creative Inspire 5300 5.1 speakers (crap but cheap)

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gbk
12-07-2003, 02:14 PM
Yeah, Deb and Slack are great . . they just , aint n00b friendly... Suse would problably be easier, or *cringe* RedHat.

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Mystic0
12-07-2003, 03:55 PM
Gimmie a link to some LEAGAL suse ISOs and I'll use that. http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif (if that's even possible)

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gbk
12-07-2003, 04:00 PM
...Legal? Hmm . . . I donna about that. Well, their source is out there, so why not ISOs? http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif


You can usually find .torrents for them, and you can definatly find them on eDonkey....

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