View Poll Results: Will you buy Tyro Vogel's book coming out on 4/20?

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  1. #41
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    if you don't buy my book it means you hate me personally!! the book is fine, you just have a bad attitude!

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    Reid you have no right to criticize my work because you have no idea what you're talking about, I am better at english despite the fact that my prose is clearly awkward to any native speaker, and I'm a better writer than you, as proven by the number of people I've paid to tell me so. I really hate it when people who have no idea what they're talking about criticize me or my work or anything of which I'm even peripherally aware. I'm still better, smarter, and more educated in the subject than you are, even though you've had a formal education in many of the things that I'm trying to do, and you'll never convince me of specific weaknesses in my technique even if you cite as evidence the sloppily written and obsolete reference materials which I adore for the worst possible reasons.

    Buy my book for more than the price of a cup of coffee, despite being worth less than a cup of coffee. If you don't make this wise investment it means you hate me. Not my book, me. Personally.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Reid View Post
    What is the purpose of speculative fiction, besides avoiding having to write a plausibly reality?
    **** GEORGE ORWELL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koobie View Post
    **** GEORGE ORWELL!
    I'd have thought you'd appreciate him; Politics and the English Language is exactly the sort of proscription you'd pretend to apply to your work, even though you don't understand half of it.

  6. #46
    Don't forget to mention how I totally fail to grasp or properly use sarcasm, lest the world collapses.

    Haha. Sorry. You guys make me LOL.

    Reid, I do appreciate the time it took you to read the story. Too bad you didn't like it. I've read Hemingway and Dostoevsky ... didn't like either one too much, but I guess it's just cuz they both sucked, right? Heh.

    *Except for a short book by Dostoevsky called The Gambler, but it's not too well-known I think. That was pretty cool.

    PS.

    Last edited by Koobie; 03-24-2014 at 05:09 PM.

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    Last edited by Reid; 08-05-2015 at 01:20 AM.

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    What I do with any thread involving Koobie these days, it seems:
    The Plothole: a home for amateur, inclusive, collaborative stories
    http://forums.theplothole.net

  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koobie View Post
    What makes you think I categorize him as a mediocre writer?

    Reid said SF that isn't hard SF is mediocre ... I'd pointed out a few writers who are anything but. I've read Perdido Train Station and Embassytown.
    I will blame it on mediocre writing, then. I don't think it's a far stretch to read this: "Also, Re: Mediocre Writing, read some Jason Sanford. Or China Miéville. Or Paolo Bacigalupi" and to interpret it as: "Regarding mediocre writing, here are a list of writers under that category."
    Also, I can kill you with my brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reid View Post
    Orwell and Camus both wrote essays, and then wrote novels that utilize the ideas of those essays. 1984 isn't very good as fiction; I remember that it has shoddy character development. It's respected for reasons beyond that.
    Orwell didn't even try to hide this fact in 1984, since over a third of the book is a reading of the essay by the protagonist. If you condense it down to the narrative you are left with a very light read, a state censorship equivalent of Animal Farm, a novel most school children today find easy to skim on the bus ride to their midterm. I'd argue that 1984 is well-respected only for its use as an analogy by an intelligentsia paranoid of being silenced, even though the outcome within the narrative is often a poor example.

    I've never before heard in my life someone say "I didn't like Dostoevsky." He wrote phenomenal characters. I can understand not liking Hemingway in the context of a casual read, but his work is critically acclaimed and for good reason. If you cannot understand where the strong points of each author lie, and what the significance of their works were, then you should take some literature appreciation courses where you can be introduced. It's not always obvious where the depth in a work lies.
    I dislike Leonardo da Vinci because his girls are not kawaii.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koobie View Post
    *Except for a short book by Dostoevsky called The Gambler, but it's not too well-known I think. That was pretty cool.
    Translation:
    I've read the mainstream Dostoevsky but it was too mainstream for me. I did like one story by him because I like to think that it's underground and it makes me more hip and better read for only enjoying something so obscure. I'd tell you about some other stories and bands I am into, but you've probably never heard of any of them. They're better than anything you listen to/read though. Trust me. Peace.
    Also, I can kill you with my brain.

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    Reid did a huge effort post back there, and you're going to just dismiss it without addressing any of his points on what he thought was poor writing in your short story?

    I read all the comments he had made. He actually took the time to go over the whole story sentence by sentence, without even a hint of malice toward you, being as constructive as one could hope. He even commended you on the things where you're on the right track. I gained quite a lot of perspective from his comments, things I would not have even thought about if not for someone obviously more knowledgeable and more experienced at writing than myself.

    I would urge you to read through that post and really consider all the points he made. Or if you're going to claim you already did that, at least explain how those points do not make perfect sense.
    Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.

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    Also, "half a hundred shots" is an incredibly awkward phrase. A native speaker of modern English would say "a few dozen shots", since the places of articulation between the last phoneme of dozen and first phoneme of shots are proximate, and common phrases always tend toward simplification as a language evolves.

    I mean I'd love to go into more detail about exactly why and what it all means, but Koobie surely knows more about English phrasing than I do, since he's Koobie, and I'm only a native speaker with formal education in linguistics. So half a hundred is probably a lot more natural than anything I could come up with.
    Last edited by Jon`C; 03-24-2014 at 06:41 PM.

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    Last edited by Reid; 08-05-2015 at 01:21 AM.

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    Koobie, I just want you to know that I'm not buying your book, and I will admit that it has a lot to do with the fact that I personally hate you.
    >>untie shoes

  16. #56
    I had forgotten to actually vote. I feel like such a rebel now.

  17. #57
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    and what the hell is a wine-coke
    If you think the waiters are rude, you should see the manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gebohq View Post
    What I do with any thread involving Koobie these days, it seems:
    heh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reid View Post
    Koobie do you talk on Omegle?
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    not sure who to root for, the one who isn't a snob or the one who isn't Koobie.

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  22. #62
    what
    reid / krokodile i will respond in some more detail re: crit if you guys really want
    but now am really busy
    so in a few days
    what is this Omegel thing if someone can summarize would be good
    thx

  23. #63
    genre fiction is not an art form
    is a dumb thing to say
    writing is an art form

  24. #64
    **** this sounds like something i'd say re: just wanting to write stories i enjoy*
    did we have this conversation 2 years ago already? ****ing matrix style **** mon.

    *so would any writer who isnt a hack i guess

  25. #65
    anyway yeah i don't think it was me because i wouldn't call anybody a troll, even at 25.
    right.
    reason i didnt respond to your crit @ first is that your rewrite of a couple of sentences was ****ing terrible truth be told, but some comments were relatively useful. btw. do not trust / do not be afraid / do not ask is a prison "honor" code. meh anyway.

    check viktor pelevin.
    yellow arrow.

    dolphinfishDOORMOUSE yes of course i just say i enjoyed The Gambler more than Crime & Punishment (or my attempts to read it and not get mega-pissed) just to look ...

    (⌐■-■)



    ... cool.
    Last edited by Koobie; 03-26-2014 at 08:08 AM.

  26. #66
    also, i think george r.r. martin is awesome.
    and this terry lin guy from what i checked on Wiki the LAST TIME you mentioned him (ITT) didn't seem interesting to me at all
    for example
    i read Never Let Me Go
    by Kazuo Ishiguro
    and thought it was ****
    does it make me
    tasteless
    pretentious
    or honest?

  27. #67
    reid after reading more into this conversation
    genre fiction is for children
    etc
    this is not you right?
    or were you not being serious about anything you said?
    i mean you were trolling, right?
    i never heard of omerwhateverthe**** chat before but if this is you
    and you still think the same
    and are serious
    it's quite ... worrisome
    anyway
    have a nice night.
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  28. #68
    i didnt really have time to read trhough your "crit" yet (I stopped after you "re-wrote" some sentences) but now i selected something at random

    ...

    He'd bent over as she ran past him into the darkness. (Had is unnecessary. "as" should be "and")

    He bent over and ran past him into the darkness.

    . . .

    you're right it reads better this way.

    anyway like I've said I've noticed some useful stuff, some not so much, but I didn't have anything else "literary" to share that was also a story and not just flash fic and quite a lot of people liked it too (Massassi not included, I know I'm obviously the #1 star writer here).
    peace
    & thx for all the music
    Last edited by Koobie; 03-26-2014 at 12:32 AM.

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    how old are you, reid?

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  31. #71
    Alright, Koobie, sober up. The schism between "higher" and "lower" culture will always be there (whether in regard to literature, music or art in general (e.g. Roger Ebert and his stance on video games)) and even your Harlan Ellison would agree with the blue guy from the Omegle transcript.

    But that's not the point here. For what it's worth, Reid actually gave a lot of proper and useful criticism for your story. It's up to you whether you release your book or not, but I'd go for more proof-reading rather than trying to prove a bunch of folks at a, uh, children's toy simulator forum wrong.

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    I hate to do this, but I'm going to agree with FGR. Koobie, you really need to lay off whatever mind-altering substance you use entirely too much of.
    >>untie shoes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koobie View Post
    i didnt really have time to read trhough your "crit" yet (I stopped after you "re-wrote" some sentences) but now i selected something at random

    ...

    He'd bent over as she ran past him into the darkness. (Had is unnecessary. "as" should be "and")

    He bent over and ran past him into the darkness.

    . . .

    you're right it reads better this way.

    anyway like I've said I've noticed some useful stuff, some not so much, but I didn't have anything else "literary" to share that was also a story and not just flash fic and quite a lot of people liked it too (Massassi not included, I know I'm obviously the #1 star writer here).
    peace
    & thx for all the music
    Could you please pick some of his points from that same post that you DISAGREE with, and explain why? If you would find the time to do that despite being busy, that would be genuinely interesting to me and perhaps to some others as well.
    Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.

  34. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by FastGamerr View Post
    Alright, Koobie, sober up. The schism between "higher" and "lower" culture will always be there (whether in regard to literature, music or art in general (e.g. Roger Ebert and his stance on video games)) and even your Harlan Ellison would agree with the blue guy from the Omegle transcript.

    But that's not the point here. For what it's worth, Reid actually gave a lot of proper and useful criticism for your story. It's up to you whether you release your book or not, but I'd go for more proof-reading rather than trying to prove a bunch of folks at a, uh, children's toy simulator forum wrong.
    the story i posted here is not going in the book
    it was just something "literary" for reid
    the stories going in the book
    are all SF
    and were proof-read
    by a professional editor
    two of them were all ready published back in the day
    and i got the rights back
    by now
    im not trying to prove anyone wrong
    the all-mighty experts (heh)
    i simply express my opinion
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  35. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Antony View Post
    I hate to do this, but I'm going to agree with FGR. Koobie, you really need to lay off whatever mind-altering substance you use entirely too much of.
    Go cry me a river.

    Talking about crits, Jon'C's crit & time invested in my fan-fic book (The Girl with the Scarab Necklace) were VERY helpful, and I'd responded to that with making a bunch of changes and thanking him on the intro page IIRC ... all you do is whine, whine, whine.
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  36. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Krokodile View Post
    Could you please pick some of his points from that same post that you DISAGREE with, and explain why? If you would find the time to do that despite being busy, that would be genuinely interesting to me and perhaps to some others as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by FastGamerr View Post
    For what it's worth, Reid actually gave a lot of proper and useful criticism for your story. It's up to you whether you release your book or not, but I'd go for more proof-reading rather than trying to prove a bunch of folks at a, uh, children's toy simulator forum wrong.
    It's usually considered bad tone to "crit a crit" but since this is not a writing forum ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Koobie View Post
    reid / krokodile i will respond in some more detail re: crit if you guys really want
    but now am really busy
    so in a few days
    ttyl
    Last edited by Koobie; 03-26-2014 at 09:37 AM.

  37. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Koobie View Post
    Go cry me a river.
    Koobie in a nutshell right here. Is told by several people some very important advice, ignores and rejects as an insult.

  38. #78
    CM, do you mean the take less psychotropic substances "advice" I was given by the forum's resident alcoholic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antony View Post
    I hate to do this, but I'm going to agree with FGR. Koobie, you really need to lay off whatever mind-altering substance you use entirely too much of.
    He's an east european who fancies himself a bohemian and scheduled his next book release on April 20th. What mind-altering substance do you think he abuses?

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