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    Oof I bet he is mad he came back gay
    Epstein didn't kill himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krokodile View Post
    Guys, I'm getting impeachment fatigue. Things are chugging along too slowly, and I want to see action! Besides, will it actually end up having a real effect on the D either way? I feel like it won't, for some reason.
    Impeachmentís boring.

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    Climate change and fascism, together https://www.berggruen.org/the-worldp...ironmentalism/

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    oh **** that url is amazing

    ironmentalism is a killer band name
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    That article touches on something I hate

    Overpopulation is a problem, but only because the westnorth requires large amounts of poor people to sustain it's lifestyle and paradoxically is obsessed with bringing (or talking about bringing) them into the fold, destroying their own turboemitter lifestyle and temporarily turning a given amount of people into turboemitters like themselves making regular population into overpopulation. These people who wanted to bring these people into the turboemitter religion then insist that acknowledging this grotesque export is in fact ecofascism.

    What the ****?
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    ironymentalism?
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    I should point out this usually comes up because someone says the population will level out so we can't be in overshoot, but I ask if the method for levelling out the population involves everyone emitting like dirty americans or even western europeans for that matter and theres always screeching after that.
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    https://twitter.com/sterlingcrispin/...ghtmode%3Dtrue

    It's likely that neural network type AI is the first obvious manifestations of the fascist elder gods poking through
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eversor View Post
    Impeachmentís boring.
    Oh, that's too bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    The trial in the Senate began in January 1999, with Chief Justice William Rehnquist presiding. On February 12, Clinton was acquitted on both counts as neither received the necessary two-thirds majority vote of the senators present for conviction and removal from office Ė in this instance 67. On Article One, 45 senators voted to convict while 55 voted for acquittal. On Article Two, 50 senators voted to convict while 50 voted for acquittal.[3] Consequently, Clinton remained in office for the balance of his second term.
    So now that the Senate has a Republican majority, this impeachment can't actually lead to anything substantial? Maybe unless something comes up in the impeachment proceedings that absolutely warrants removal from office? Am I missing something?

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    My god.

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    i know can you believe this is being hid from us
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    It all makes sense now. Alice Shade, Friend14. Everything.

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    Epstein didn't kill himself.

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    My answer: much like today but even more so. So that means wealth inequality will widen to widths never before imagined, fatter tech profits and bigger earnings, higher stock prices, America being even bigger and more dominant economically, militarily, and culturally, increasingly competitive college admissions, more political angst and anger online, increased dissatisfaction at the system and political leaders yet a sort of unwillingness or inertia to want to much to change it either, etc.
    But America is only becoming weaker economically, militarily, and culturally.

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    You sound like a conservative.
    "I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16


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    Quote Originally Posted by Reid View Post
    But America is only becoming weaker economically, militarily, and culturally.
    youre obviously not grey enlightned lmao
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    Holy hell this site is dumb.

    The Bay Area has become the center of the universe. Everyone wants to live in the Bay Area. Everyone wants to give Bay Area firms more money. 20-30 somethings are becoming instantly wealthy, even more more so than their 90′s predecessors. Back then a typical internet IPO was no bigger than a billion dollars and usually around $60-100 million; now companies go public for no less than a couple billion and early funding begins at $60 million. Will this end badly? Nope. This time is really different. There won’t be a crash like 1929, 1973, 1987, 2000 or 2008. We’re in a hyper-meritocracy where smart, ambitious people in the Silicon Valley and around the world are reaping mind boggling amounts of money with relatively little effort and time. Someone can code a bird app and be a multi-millionaire in a few weeks. Or someone can code a photo app and be a billionaire in a few years. The American dream is alive and well.
    And the very first sentence of that page reads like a joke:
    The Grey Enlightenment represents republicans and libertarians that don’t think the world is doomed and like things the way they are (but with some improvements like lower taxes and no more Obama).
    http://greyenlightenment.com/sample-page/

    sheesh

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    I honestly can't tell if that site is a parody or a reddit post that was copy-pasted onto a web server with some fancy CSS.

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    It really is pretty impressive.
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    Poeís law alive and well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krokodile View Post
    So now that the Senate has a Republican majority, this impeachment can't actually lead to anything substantial? Maybe unless something comes up in the impeachment proceedings that absolutely warrants removal from office? Am I missing something?
    Gonna just try and do a thorough primer on impeachment here (obviously you, Kroko, understand a lot of this already but I want to work from the bottom up here so it's as broadly instructive as possible):

    The United States has two legislative houses, the Senate and the House of Representatives.

    The House of Representatives consists of one representative per district, with districts having roughly equal population across the country (and as a natural consequence, more populous states having more districts).

    The Senate consists of two representatives per state, and it shouldn't exist.

    In a traditional criminal proceeding, the prosecutor determines what charges should be brought against a defendant, and the court determines whether the defendant is guilty of those charges. An impeachment is not a criminal proceeding, but I think it's a little bit useful to think of the House of Representatives as the prosecutor in an impeachment, and the Senate as the Court.

    (Republicans, by the way, have tried to complain that the President's due process rights are not being respected. This is silly for a lot of reasons, but the main reason it's silly is that even in a criminal prosecution, no potential defendant is entitled to participate in the prosecutor's investigation into whether they should be charged.)

    Sorry for the sidebar. So if the House is like a prosecutor, an impeachment is like a prosecutor charging (usually "indicting") a defendant, right? Almost completely yes. Generally, a prosecutor can indict a person within her jurisdiction for breaking the laws of that jurisdiction. The House of Representatives, if we view it as a kind of prosecutor for impeachment purposes, has a very limited jurisdiction as to the people it may impeach, but so broad an ambit of offenses it may impeach those people for that it would make an Alabama prosecutor blush.

    How broad? The text of the Constitution says an official may be impeached for "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." Treason, of course, is explicitly defined in Article III, Section 3. (This unusual constitutional clarity does not stop various dumbasses from claiming that Chelsea Manning or Edward Snowden or Reality Winner have committed treason, but oh well.) Bribery, well, we know what that is, and we've all agreed to call it "campaign finance" instead. But then there's "high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

    Most legal/constitutional scholars agree that that last phrase is to be interpreted broadly, that an impeachable offense is, to quote then-Vice President Gerald Ford, "whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history." In fact, as far as I know, no Republican member of Congress is even insisting that Trump must be charged with a specific crime. (There may be some institutional memory at work here; Republicans were never able to pin perjury on Clinton either.)

    All of this is to say, impeachment is political. It's not a trial in an impartial court. A public official could sneeze at the wrong time and be impeached and removed if the opposing party thought they could get away with it. A public official could also direct charitable funds to his reelection campaign, steer foreign dignitaries to properties he owned, use federal funds to pay for his frequent vacations, and withhold congressionally allocated aid to pressure a foreign government to assist his reelection campaign, so long as he was assured of his party's support in the Senate.

    So anyway, Kroko, you asked whether anything's going to come of impeaching Trump, in light of Republicans' control of the Senate, the court where impeachment is tried. The answer is no, unless Republican senators think they might lose their seats by not opposing Trump. So the answer is no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael MacFarlane View Post
    A public official could also direct charitable funds to his reelection campaign, steer foreign dignitaries to properties he owned, use federal funds to pay for his frequent vacations, and withhold congressionally allocated aid to pressure a foreign government to assist his reelection campaign, so long as he was assured of his party's support in the Senate.
    I don't want to hide the ball here; Trump's done all of these forms of corruption.
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  25. #15785
    Quote Originally Posted by Michael MacFarlane View Post
    The Senate consists of two representatives per state, and it shouldn't exist.
    Interesting. I mean, I essentially agree with this since the 17th amendment destroyed the purpose of the senate, to represent the states, but I desire the repeal of the 17th amendment. One day I may study what corruption led to the 17th amendment. I've always found it amazing that the 16th and 17th amendments could be ratified without pitchforks being raised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wookie06 View Post
    One day I may study what corruption led to the 17th amendment. I've always found it amazing that the 16th and 17th amendments could be ratified without pitchforks being raised.
    ďI donít understand what problem these amendments solved, but I donít like them and therefore nobody at the time must have liked them eitherĒ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wookie06 View Post
    Interesting. I mean, I essentially agree with this since the 17th amendment destroyed the purpose of the senate, to represent the states, but I desire the repeal of the 17th amendment. One day I may study what corruption led to the 17th amendment. I've always found it amazing that the 16th and 17th amendments could be ratified without pitchforks being raised.
    Getting to vote directly on your senator isnít exactly the sort of thing people riot over, historically. As for the progressive income tax, consider that it was good for most people, especially the sort of people who had ready access to pitchforks.

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    Wookie06 didnít even spend the minute it takes to look up the history on Wikipedia. He doesnít even need a stupid reason to have strong feelings about stuff, so Iím sure heís not interested in your educated one.

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    It took me literally 30 seconds to learn that the 17th amendment was popularly demanded because of *seat buying*. Wookie06 cares so little about the future of his country that he wouldnít spend 30 seconds looking up something before deciding that itís bad.

    Wookie06 votes.
    Last edited by Jon`C; 11-12-2019 at 12:43 AM.

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    Is the 15th the one that is supposed to let felons vote?
    Epstein didn't kill himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon`C View Post
    It took me literally 30 seconds to learn that the 17th amendment was popularly demanded because of *seat buying*. Wookie06 cares so little about the future of his country that he wouldnít spend 30 seconds looking up something before deciding that itís bad.

    Wookie06 votes.
    I don't read as fast as you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon`C View Post
    Wookie06 didnít even spend the minute it takes to look up the history on Wikipedia. He doesnít even need a stupid reason to have strong feelings about stuff, so Iím sure heís not interested in your educated one.
    What about a stupid educated reason?

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    Now, Stephen Miller, there's a problem for which pitchforks are the appropriate remedy.
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    I saw some headlines and I was confused that Steve Miller had come out as a white supremacist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wookie06 View Post
    I don't read as fast as you.
    I see. How fast would you need to read, exactly, before you're willing to become an informed and responsible citizen?

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    holy **** Stephen Miller is Jewish? lmao
    Epstein didn't kill himself.

  37. #15797
    Quote Originally Posted by Jon`C View Post
    I see. How fast would you need to read, exactly, before you're willing to become an informed and responsible citizen?
    I am already informed and responsible. I was referring to doing actual research on the corruption that enabled passage of an amendment. Not a 30 second Wikipedia search that I can't really believe you think constitutes research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wookie06 View Post
    I am already informed and responsible.
    Citation needed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spook View Post
    holy **** Stephen Miller is Jewish? lmao
    Most Jews are white (or at least they are now).

    Unrelated, I just had a funny thought. "Colored people" would probably be considered a racist expression but "people of color" isn't. I can't imagine seriously using either stupid term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wookie06 View Post
    Most Jews are white (or at least they are now).

    Unrelated, I just had a funny thought. "Colored people" would probably be considered a racist expression but "people of color" isn't. I can't imagine seriously using either stupid term.
    If only you spent half as much time thinking about policy as you spend thinking about what to call the ethnics.

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