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    Quote Originally Posted by Spook View Post
    That kind of ecology focused game I think could be pretty popular, it's something I would love personally.
    Hmm. Would be something to consider if there's interest for something like that

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    Lets remodel limits to growth and make a reality tv show out of it
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    The standard counterexample is UO, which ended up ripping out all of its ecology and economics code because deer stopped spawning and the players thought it was a game breaking bug. Just like real life, nobody noticed or understood their own contribution, but got very angry about suffering the consequences of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon`C View Post
    The standard counterexample is UO, which ended up ripping out all of its ecology and economics code because deer stopped spawning and the players thought it was a game breaking bug. Just like real life, nobody noticed or understood their own contribution, but got very angry about suffering the consequences of it.
    I mean, there's alot to a game like UO that isn't accurate to reality enough that I don't take that example to represent much. For one, no game makes combat and healing serious enough.. if a game made you take weeks in a hospital to heal bullet wounds, you wouldn't spend much time in that game gunfighting. Same with slaughtering animals. Low cost. And then I bet the size of the deer population and space for them was way too small to begin with, like they dumped 1000 apex predators into 10 acres with 100 deer.

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    Like the whole point of video games is to give the player more power than they have IRL, so any game which would accurately model anything would be incompatible with fun. They're kind of at odds.

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    Ultima Online or what?

    It seems like that game stardew valley is pretty popular with frustrated millenials who want to homestead but are priced out of the market. Combine that with their obsession with 'permaculture' and if they think theyre learning and simulating their off grid food forest paradise/simulating the evils of capitalism I think you could throw in so microtransactions and loot boxes and make a **** load of cash dude
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spook View Post
    Ultima Online or what?

    It seems like that game stardew valley is pretty popular with frustrated millenials who want to homestead but are priced out of the market. Combine that with their obsession with 'permaculture' and if they think theyre learning and simulating their off grid food forest paradise/simulating the evils of capitalism I think you could throw in so microtransactions and loot boxes and make a **** load of cash dude
    Yes Ultima Online. IIRC some game dev conference talk from one of the devs talked about dynamic populations, but since it was an MMO players just slaughtered the animals en masse and destroyed the population.

    I don't know if trying to create complex ecological systems is compatible with a game about feeling nostalgic and warm 24/7. Might be going for different markets there.

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    I dunno i alternate between desperate nostalgia and schadenfreude over seeing us **** up our environment in the same hour most of the time I dont think im that unusual
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reid View Post
    Like the whole point of video games is to give the player more power than they have IRL
    For example, Pac-Man letís you simulate eating cherries, even if you might have a food allergy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spook View Post
    I dunno i alternate between desperate nostalgia and schadenfreude over seeing us **** up our environment in the same hour most of the time I dont think im that unusual
    Who doesn't? We're all ****ed anyway though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eversor View Post
    For example, Pac-Man let’s you simulate eating cherries, even if you might have a food allergy.
    Rofl, yeah I guess my comment was too limited. Some games aren't exactly about that. But many are.

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    So how about Watchmen, huh? I liked it, but the politics of the show make it pretty distant from ideas behind the original graphic novel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eversor View Post
    So how about Watchmen, huh? I liked it, but the politics of the show make it pretty distant from ideas behind the original graphic novel.
    Need to watch the Watchmen, so I can reply....

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    but who watches the wathcers of the watchmen
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    Can we please just skip that joke. I already have to read it on every other website.

    D:

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    Reid, I think that different difficulty levels reimagined as realism levels would solve that. Players could get the experience of interacting with complex systems but with adam smiths invisible hand jerking them off and looking out for them, but harder difficulties require strict steady state economies and whatnot or a full scale collapse occurs
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  16. #15736
    Homestead Simulator 2020

    You can play on fantasy mode where you build a permaculture paradise and get to be surprised by complex interactions, or real mode where less grows every turn and you eventually are overrun by climate refugees from Arizona demanding access to your below grade climate battery cooled earthen home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saberopus View Post
    Can we please just skip that joke. I already have to read it on every other website.

    D:
    I so deliberately tried to avoid it

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    You may have, Eversor, but who avoids the Avoidmen?

    *smug*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spook View Post
    harder difficulties require strict steady state economies
    In real life, steady state economies is hard mode b/c the US bombs or sanctions you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon`C View Post
    In real life, steady state economies is hard mode b/c the US bombs or sanctions you.
    obvious evidence that they dont work id say
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    So where do people stand now on the "we're descending into fascism" angle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reid View Post
    So where do people stand now on the "we're descending into fascism" angle?
    Fascism still seems to me less useful as an analytic category than as a term of reproach. But to the extent it is relevant it probably describes a prominent cultural trend amid ever growing polarization, rather than a political trend?

  23. #15743
    I reread Lincolnís second inaugural today. Easy to see in it glimmers of politics today. Powerful stuff. (And short)

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    Fellow-Countrymen:
    At this second appearing to take the oath of the Presidential office there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement somewhat in detail of a course to be pursued seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years, during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point and phase of this great conflict which is of primary concern to the nation as a whole, little that is new could be presented. The progress of our arms, upon which all else chiefly depends, is as well known to the public as to myself, and it is, I trust, reasonably satisfactory and encouraging to all. With high hope for the future, no prediction in regard to it is ventured.

    On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, insurgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without waróseeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish. And the war came.

    One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

    With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.
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    Dinesh, my man! f***ing democrats

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    How come that Lincoln didn't realize the war was about states' rights?

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    because that lincoln was pen pals with Marl Karx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reid View Post
    So where do people stand now on the "we're descending into fascism" angle?
    https://visupview.blogspot.com/2019/...ghtenment.html
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    Epstein didn't kill himself.

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    Bro...

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    I noticed you never guessed again in the game thread
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    why don't you save your accusations of what i did or didn't do in the game thread for in the game thread >,'-/

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    Why don't you save your insinuations of my mental infirmness for the mental infirmness thread.
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  34. #15754
    Itís getting hot in the kithcen

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    Wow you have no input on my belive that our slide towards fascism is actually the materialization of elder gods from the future?
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  36. #15756
    I had no idea H.P. Lovecraft could travel through time and was friends with Edward Snowden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reid View Post
    So where do people stand now on the "we're descending into fascism" angle?
    personally iím against it
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  38. #15758
    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend Jones View Post
    I had no idea H.P. Lovecraft could travel through time and was friends with Edward Snowden.
    Did you even read the page? The Necronomicon is traveling through time not Howard.
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    Guys, I'm getting impeachment fatigue. Things are chugging along too slowly, and I want to see action! Besides, will it actually end up having a real effect on the D either way? I feel like it won't, for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spook View Post
    Did you even read the page? The Necronomicon is traveling through time not Howard.
    His posture has declined a bit and he's gained some baby fat, but...

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