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    Did anyone back up GibbaGobba's videos?

    This guy on Youtube named GibbaGobba made a series of video tutorials on Jkedit

    However he took them all down recently. I'm wondering if anyone has backed them up by any chance?

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    Probably no one here. Someone at JKHub might have them.


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    He took them down? He said he would keep them up as it could be helpful to someone looking to use the tool.

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    That sucks. If anyone has any JK resources that are in danger of going extinct, let me know and I'll try to get them up somewhere on Massassi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikumubeki View Post
    Probably no one here. Someone at JKHub might have them.
    I asked around and I got a very nasty pm from him ordering me to not ask his friends for backups. He also intentionally tried to get rid of all attention on him by renaming all of his projects on the site to "untitled".

    Quote Originally Posted by Ranhcase View Post
    He took them down? He said he would keep them up as it could be helpful to someone looking to use the tool.
    I sent him a bunch of PMs and he basically said that because the community was barely around and didn't watch his videos he felt like it was pointless to keep making them. It came across like he was depressed that most of his friends that he made with Jedi Knight had moved on and felt like it was time to move on.

    However he clearly didn't think a lot of this through. Like he posted a video a few days ago talking about how the reason he deleted all of the videos rather than just start a new youtube channel was because he wants to "move the Gibbagobba brand away from Jedi Knight". Like he's Total Biscuit or something. I asked him why he didn't just unlist or just private his videos and he responded rather abruptly with "I can do whatever I want with my channel".

    Guy clearly made his videos for attention and when he stopped getting it he got mad and deleted everything. I'm just sad I didn't back up his videos before he had his meltdown. As his tutorials were the only available ones for JKedit.

    He won't admit that he doesn't have backups either which is the strange thing. He keeps alluding to maybe reuploading his videos or redoing them but at the same time basically states that he probably won't. I just wish he would stop lying but it's unlikely that's ever going to happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian View Post
    That sucks. If anyone has any JK resources that are in danger of going extinct, let me know and I'll try to get them up somewhere on Massassi
    There are some archives I've found of tutorials and levels. Like some group has archived most of JKhub already. It's just I doubt anyone anticipated gibbagobba randomly deleting his videos for no reason.
    Last edited by DeadYorick; 07-12-2017 at 12:12 AM.

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    Of course my account gets validated six months after registering, so I guess I might as well make this as clear as possible with the benefit of hindsight:

    Yes, I felt that continuing to make videos as JK's community was dwindling felt pointless. You can say that I "just wanted attention," but realistically there is no sense in making videos that nobody is bothering to watch. I played around on YouTube as a fun hobby for over seven years, but as time went on, responsibilities came up, interest was lost from both me and my audience, and so it wasn't fun any more. Simple as that.

    At the same time, I was kind of going through something of a depressive phase. Some of this revolved around how I viewed my overall presence on the Internet and how that may affect my work down the road. This is the main reason why I wiped much of my old content and accounts, leaving only the projects I felt were still worth sharing; such as the gib mod Edward and I worked, my Facing Worlds map, the HUD/retexture pack MotS conversions (which actually got referenced in a PC Gamer article!), and a few other miscellaneous files. I feel like most of the guys here on Massassi can understand wanting to move on from JK as you get older, at least that's the impression I've gotten from some of them in the past.

    I do have backups of every video I've made since I keep just about everything. I'm kind of a digital hoarder in regards to stuff like this. The reason I've never bothered re-uploading the tutorials is because they are old and poorly made and I'd rather re-do them if I still had the interest in JK editing. At the same time, I got tired of being something of a lightning rod for Jedi Knight's uninitiated fans, which is why I deleted that old Windows 7 installation tutorial: Too many questions I couldn't answer or keep up with. I never lied about anything, and I even made a few final videos before shutting down the channel just to be as transparent with everyone as possible.

    I apologize if I came off as hostile in our PM conversation. I don't really appreciate people being so insistent on asking things of me and then going behind my back to get them from my friends. However, I wasn't in a great state of mind at the time and I could have handled things a lot better. Nobody's perfect.

    At this point, I have no desire to return to JK in any substantial form for a multitude of reasons. In tandem with losing a general interest in the game (though it will always be one of my favorites), I've recently had a falling out with other remaining community members due to conflict of personalities. To be honest, I feel like that was a good opportunity to re-prioritize what, how, and who I spend my time with so I can better focus on my skills and career prospects as well as just growing as a person. I've since only kept in contact with the few swell guys I've known as friends since I originally joined JK's little online circle, but beyond that, I am done with Jedi Knight.

    Even if it's too late for this reply, I at least want to clear the air as to what's been going on and leave some kind of final message for posterity I guess, though I'll keep replying if there is anything else to respond to. Even if you still think less of me for how I behaved, I do appreciate the interest you had in my work. It really does mean a lot.
    Last edited by Gibbagobba; 01-22-2018 at 08:26 PM. Reason: revision

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibbagobba View Post
    You can say that I "just wanted attention," but realistically there is no sense in making videos that nobody is bothering to watch
    you say this but
    Quote Originally Posted by Gibbagobba View Post
    At the same time, I got tired of being something of a lightning rod for Jedi Knight's uninitiated fans, which is why I deleted that old Windows 7 installation tutorial: Too many questions I couldn't answer or keep up with
    so people did watch them but in reality you didn't want to answer questions. So which is it?

    It's extremely annoying that someone would produce modding tutorials but then remove them later for no other reason than one's own ego. Especially since for a lot of games you discover they used to have a wealth of modding documentation that completely went away over time because sites went down. To the point where if you want to use some of these old tools it's almost impossible because zero documentation exists for them. JKedit especially since Massasssi has no tutorials and what tutorials did exist completely vanished. I still completely don't understand why you didn't just unlist the videos or upload them to dropbox/moddb. Completely erasing a utility people wanted to use that costs you nothing to keep up is baffling to me. Regardless of how good you perceive they were. I found them incredibly useful and now I can't use the jkedit program because nobody else uses it and there's no documentation available for it. I'm friends with people who mod other engines like Unreal and they've mentioned having to do things like translate mod tutorials in other languages because there's so little documentation that survived. Yet there's still a community around that wants it.

    Normally not having documentation for old tools is done because of general apathy. This is the first time I've ever seen it done intentionally. Did you ever consider one of the reasons why nobody mods Jedi Knight is because there's little documentation and the community in general has become out for themselves? There's even older games than Jedi Knight like Tomb Raider and Doom (The former had a new Windows 10 optimized editor released last year) that have thriving communities by comparison and a big reason why is the amount of video tutorials and documentation people kept up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gibbagobba View Post
    I do have backups of every video I've made since I keep just about everything. I'm kind of a digital hoarder in regards to stuff like this. The reason I've never bothered re-uploading the tutorials is because they are old and poorly made and I'd rather re-do them if I still had the interest in JK editing.
    So we'll never get them. I don't understand why you keep parading around that you still have these videos, that you want to redo them, yet you never will because you're moving on with the community. I'd rather have a simplistic "poorly made" video on something, than absolutely nothing after finding out that the creator was more interested in his personal ego and moving his "channel in a new direction". If you keep having this "me me me" attitude with everything you do I shudder to think about what career prospects you'll have in the future. I'm sorry you didn't become the next PewDiePie making video tutorials for a game made 20 years ago but because that wasn't good enough, it's better to salt the earth and destroy all evidence?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gibbagobba View Post
    I've recently had a falling out with other remaining community members due to conflict of personalities. To be honest, I feel like that was a good opportunity to re-prioritize what, how, and who I spend my time with so I can better focus on my skills and career prospects as well as just growing as a person. I've since only kept in contact with the few swell guys I've known as friends since I originally joined JK's little online circle, but beyond that, I am done with Jedi Knight.
    Shocker. Who knew that caring only about yourself, destroying a series of mod tutorials and thinking yourself as better than everyone else would make you unpopular. Who knew saying "I'm done with this community, screw all you guys" wouldn't sit well with people.
    Last edited by DeadYorick; 01-22-2018 at 10:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadYorick View Post
    so people did watch them but in reality you didn't want to answer questions. So which is it?
    It's specifically the kind of attention I had been getting from time to time that was bothering me. I wanted to move away from JK as time went on and people did not respond so well to that, insisting that I go back to the old format of playing through levels. That easily killed a lot of the enjoyment in creating for YouTube.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadYorick View Post
    It's extremely annoying that someone would produce modding tutorials but then remove them later for no other reason than one's own ego. Especially since for a lot of games you discover they used to have a wealth of modding documentation that completely went away over time because sites went down. To the point where if you want to use some of these old tools it's almost impossible because zero documentation exists for them. JKedit especially since Massasssi has no tutorials and what tutorials did exist completely vanished. I still completely don't understand why you didn't just unlist the videos or upload them to dropbox/moddb. Completely erasing a utility people wanted to use that costs you nothing to keep up is baffling to me. Regardless of how good you perceive they were. I found them incredibly useful and now I can't use the jkedit program because nobody else uses it and there's no documentation available for it. I'm friends with people who mod other engines like Unreal and they've mentioned having to do things like translate mod tutorials in other languages because there's so little documentation that survived. Yet there's still a community around that wants it.

    Normally not having documentation for old tools is done because of general apathy. This is the first time I've ever seen it done intentionally. Did you ever consider one of the reasons why nobody mods Jedi Knight is because there's little documentation and the community in general has become out for themselves? There's even older games than Jedi Knight like Tomb Raider and Doom (The former had a new Windows 10 optimized editor released last year) that have thriving communities by comparison and a big reason why is the amount of video tutorials and documentation people kept up.
    Sorry if this disappoints you, but that is not my problem. I had to learn the program myself so anybody else should be able to do the same. It has built-in documentation and is pretty easy to understand. Besides which, there are other people who can help out that I've regularly referred others to. Honestly though, if the fate of a modding community, let alone a level editor depends on me making my dopey videos, then is it really worth saving? I have a hard time believing that it's that simple. I joined pretty late into the game so much of of the community's resources had already been contributed.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadYorick View Post
    So we'll never get them. I don't understand why you keep parading around that you still have these videos, that you want to redo them, yet you never will because you're moving on with the community. I'd rather have a simplistic "poorly made" video on something, than absolutely nothing after finding out that the creator was more interested in his personal ego and moving his "channel in a new direction". If you keep having this "me me me" attitude with everything you do I shudder to think about what career prospects you'll have in the future. I'm sorry you didn't become the next PewDiePie making video tutorials for a game made 20 years ago but because that wasn't good enough, it's better to salt the earth and destroy all evidence?
    You did say you thought I was lying about having the videos, I'm just trying to tell you that I'm not. I don't expect you to understand this, since I don't know what kind of creative endeavors you indulge in, but as a creator and artist I am extremely critical of my work. As I improve, I hate showcasing older work that contrasts this. It has nothing to do with ego, I'm just a perfectionist and I can't really help that. Besides, if it was about ego, then deleting the channel would make no sense since I've essentially cut myself off from my audience completely.

    And either way, yes it is about me. I made the videos. I created the channel. I shared my work. When it comes to my work, it is not unreasonable for me to want to have the final say in how it is developed and displayed. People do this all the time on the Internet, this is nothing new. I don't owe anybody anything, especially if all I get in response is an entitled and ungrateful audience acting like my time belongs to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadYorick View Post
    Shocker. Who knew that caring only about yourself, destroying a series of mod tutorials and thinking yourself as better than everyone else would make you unpopular. Who knew saying "I'm done with this community, screw all you guys" wouldn't sit well with people.
    You really don't know anything about me. You only assume that I was somehow at fault just because you still hold some kind of bias against me. That was unprovoked on their part in which I was literally told that I just don't fit in and should go back to the hub with my old friends. They didn't care about my channel or my videos, in fact they've made fun of them at times and so have I. This was merely me coming to realize that the people I had been associating with in recent years were just not very good people to begin with. I am not the source of any elitism in the JK community, I just don't want to be a part of it anymore.

    Even though it has been almost half a year since you posted this thread, I thought responding with an explanation and apology would be the right thing to do. In any practical sense I have no reason to give you answers, but I like seeing issues resolved, even if those involved still aren't happy about it. Yet you still attack my character and act like I committed some kind of transgression against the Jedi Knight fanbase.

    So if I couldn't convince you before, let me make it clear in a different way: You are acting like the same people that ruined making videos for me in the first place. When I wiped my channel, I was still considering how I might go about restructuring it and creating new content, which is why I told you that I wasn't sure whether or not I'd put the tutorials back up or re-do them. But it was when you went behind my back to get them from my friends (and here for some weird reason since I don't talk to these guys) that I decided I had enough and pulled the plug. So was it really worth it in the end? I mean seriously, at the end of the day, it's an old-ass Star Wars game you're putting so much stake into. It's really not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. To quote one of my favorite level editors, "Of course we're autistic: We're the dying fanbase of a 20-year-old Quake clone with lightsabers."

    Please tell me though, if I did re-release my videos, what would you do with that? I saw that the videos on your YouTube channel were modding tutorials taken from other sites. Would you do the same with mine? If so, why would I ever choose to put my stuff back up? Is it really not reasonable for others to simply respect my decision in leaving for whatever reason that be? Did you ever stop to think about what it was that might have actually compelled me to feel that way, or was it just YOU being selfish in wanting something from me regardless? I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, but I just don't see how I can get you to understand any other way.
    Last edited by Gibbagobba; 01-23-2018 at 05:34 AM.

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