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  1. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend Jones View Post
    Can we take Lizza at his word when he rhetorically asks what company policy he violated?
    I don't think it's typical for employers to air out the details of their sexual harassment investigations in public just bc the subject goes around yelling in public that he did nothing wrong. There's another party's privacy involved, for one thing.

    So, no, I wouldn't necessarily take him at his word.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend Jones View Post
    What I am saying is this: it's not that I don't believe the accusors by default ( you suggest because the accused is liberal). Rather what I am suggesting is that if she had a case against him, I would have less skepticism if she went to the police first instead of just trying to get him fired from his job.
    There is (rightfully) a whole lot of stuff you can do that can get you fired from a job (including sexual impropriety) that's not illegal. I'm not sure where you're going with this.
    Last edited by Thrawn[numbarz]; 12-11-2017 at 09:00 PM.

  2. #282
    I will admit that if they really did fire him, they've probably got something on him that nobody is saying in public.

    I wonder what the accused has to lose by not revealing more information about what happened to the public. As far as we know she wasn't necessarily even a co-worker, but unless there is any legal reason for him to be silent about this, we might be able to assume she was, since that'd be necessary for it to be harassment.

  3. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend Jones View Post
    I wonder what the accused has to lose by not revealing more information about what happened to the public.
    Privacy and dignity. What does she have to gain? Convincing Reverend Jones that she really was victimized? If the HR case was resolved to her satisfaction, why would she care?

  4. #284
    Quote Originally Posted by Thrawn[numbarz] View Post
    There is (rightfully) a whole lot of stuff you can do that can get you fired from a job (including sexual impropriety) that's not illegal. I'm not sure where you're going with this.
    It wasn't clear to me that the transgressions happened at or with somebody from work, which would seem to me to be necessary for this to have any bearing on his continuing status as an employee of the New Yorker. But as I've conceded in my last post, the fact that he hasn't explained who this anonymous accusor is, we might be able to assume he did have some workplace connection with her (despite his attempt to construe it as simply just some woman he dated).

  5. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by Thrawn[numbarz] View Post
    Privacy and dignity. What does she have to gain? Convincing Reverend Jones that she really was victimized? If the HR case was resolved to her satisfaction, why would she care?
    It's a disservice to woman who have legitimate concerns (not trying to exclude her from this category) if the accused can go public and make it look baseless and it looks like there was no process or transparency. Her lawyers did respond but it was kind of weak if you ask me (said the relationship was not at all 'respectful'), unless we presume she worked with him, which seems more and more likely as I see the language being used. So I guess the default sensible reaction would be to assume this until Lizza gives us a better picture of what happened.
    Last edited by Reverend Jones; 12-11-2017 at 09:18 PM.

  6. #286
    All I can say is, having been somewhat close to two(!) fairly publicized sexual harassment firings this year, the women involved are often dedicated professionals, who want to do the professional thing--go through channels as much as possible (i.e. HR, legal action if absolutely necessary), have the situation addressed, and get back to work. Dragging things into the public sphere is an absolute last resort.

    This is one of the situations where we, the general public, probably don't have a right to know everything that happened. If I were betting, it seems easier to believe that a guy did something wrong at work and got fired (happens all the time) than that a guy did nothing wrong, was falsely accused by a coworker(?) and was fired without cause by his employer despite being one of their most valuable employees (doesn't happen very often). But, hey, it's ultimately none of my business. I imagine in his field, the whisper networks are doing their job, and people who need to know already have a pretty good idea of what happened.

    I'd be interested to see what happens if he decides to take legal action against the magazine, though.

  7. #287
    I agree with everything you wrote. We don't really know what happened but it probably wasn't nothing if he got fired for it.

  8. #288
    Also it's a bad idea to sue your employer for firing you if you ever want to get hired again by anybody, or so I heard on hacker news.

  9. #289
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend Jones View Post
    Also it's a bad idea to sue your employer for firing you if you ever want to get hired again by anybody, or so I heard on hacker news.
    Having an uncontested dismissal due to alleged sexual harassment is worse.

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