heck yea gimme some marlboro's
Imma have my eye twitch and be on an inhailer...fashion sense of the future!

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Of the top 10 things that top my list of turn-offs of the opposite sex, smoking tops the list. Not because of how idiotic someone has to be to start such a filthy habbit, but because it looks so damn lame.

Granted, in the 20's when it really started to become popular for women to smoke, they used those long cigarette holders (forgot the name of them) and they would very sensually..um...play with the end of it with their tonuge. That IS sexy. Not because it's a cigarette that their playing with in their mouth...but because it's a long thin object that their playing with in their mouth, a pen would generate the same sex appeal.

...um, okay, I'll stop now. My point is that smoking does not make you look cool. Anyone that says that is just trying to rationalize smoking since they lack the will power to (A) Just say NO to peer pressure and (B) To stop now that they've started. And it's not even like you have to just put them down (my brother is among an extremly rare few that was able to do it), but you can use those patches or that gum. Then take a pen, remove the ink cartridge, and keep it in the same place you kept your cigarette's in. That way, instead of smoking on a cigarette, you end up "smoking" your pen. After awhile, you'll realize just how silly that is and stop that habbit as well (I mention this about the pen because some say that one of the hardest things about smoking is the absence of the cigarette in their mouth and making that "smoking" arm motion that they've become use to).

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"At last, we have come to find the truth to our souls. Though, the truth is not what we expected. I now fear my own soul."

OHHH HAHAHA YUO WILL LOOK SO KEWL WEHN U R DAED FRM SMOKING!!!!11111 OR MAEYBE WHEN R HOOKED P TO TEH TUBES YES I GOT TEHM FUNNAY PICTARS HAHAHAHA HAHAHA I AM RODNOG WASNT TAHT FUNY YES IT was I tkno PPL AT MY SkEWL SAYS I AM FUNIEST GUY IN TEH HOLE WORLD THATS Y IM IN TEH DRAMA CLUB!11!11

ps: I know smoking is bad for you, infact Im not defending it at all, since I don't even smoke, its just your childish sense of humor makes me wanna devour my own legs just to take my mind off the pain that you cause me

[This message has been edited by Raoul Duke (edited February 05, 2004).]

mabey he was being sarcastic.

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your curiosity will get the better of YOU one day.
Jon`C:Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly.
Spork:Well I think 'Irony is spelling grammar poorly'
Snail racing: (500 posts per line)-@%

Indeed

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

I can assure you he wasn't.

Yes, he was being sarcastic actually thats the whole problem.

ignore above post


[This message has been edited by Raoul Duke (edited February 05, 2004).]

Smoking == death case closed.

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Funny thing is, smoking != death.
There are billions of smokers and only a small percentage of them die from it every year.
My father has been smoking, heavily (2 packs per day), for 50 years now. My mom smoked for 40 years at least a pack per day.
50 years man. The first thing he does when he gets up in the morning is light a cig. Litterally he rolls over and lights a cig then gets out of bed. :/ blech.
Even stranger, the last time he went to the doctor was in 1980 when he had pneumonia. He was so pissed that he had to quit smoking for the 4 days he was in the hospital. heh...



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who gives a crap anyway, we're all gonna die someday, i hope to die before i'm 60.

/me lights one up

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Drugs & Stupidity, Tons of it.

For your Dad that's 730 packs a year which makes 36,500 packs total, and 14,600 packs for your mom, making a grand total of 51,100. So at say $2.50 a pack (damn American smokes are cheap!), your folks have spent $127,750 on cigarettes. Yikes.

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The Massassi-Map
There is no spoon.

Carcinogenic chemicals aside, I'll be impressed the day they can prove the smoke inhalation isn't bad for you.

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"LC Tusken: the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot"
NMGOH || Jack Chick preaches it || The Link of the Dead

We're Canadian Spork. Ontarian to be exact. Over $8 per pack now. $75/carton. Yikes.


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Maybe this topic is a bit personal for me, but I lost an aunt to cigarettes - she had a massive heart attack, and it was concluded that there were complications due to smoking. Had she not smoked, the heart attack might not have killed her, and she likely would have recovered.

Not everyone who smokes dies of cancer - some have arteries hardened by it, and die by heart attack or stroke. Just wanted to being that up.

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*Joren, Legend, Alleged Egomaniac, Thread-Killer, 2-time Ban Recipient, and 6th Grade Spelling Champ*

No. I've done that **** before, and it's not good. Just say no to asthma treatment.

That is incredibly misleading, and therefor also unethical. Of course there are exceptions. But I could certainly find a statistic that shows how many hundreds of people die each year from complications that were smokers.

Please people, stop rationalizing something that studies clearly show is harmful to you and the people around you. I mean, if that's your way with dealing with the guilt that your causing undeserved harm to others, fine. But don't come on a message board that has well over a hundred members (most of them teenagers) and try to rationalize this. It's extremly unethical.

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"At last, we have come to find the truth to our souls. Though, the truth is not what we expected. I now fear my own soul."

Or how about cut the snake off at the head and say "No" to smoking?

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"At last, we have come to find the truth to our souls. Though, the truth is not what we expected. I now fear my own soul."

[This message has been edited by CaptBewil (edited February 06, 2004).]

I agree with septic. We all die for sure one day anyways, and I don't care if I live to be 70 or 100 because those 30 years between would probably be pretty crappy anyways...

I personally am not rationalizing. It's 100% true. It's a fact that smoking does not lead to death. :/
It may lead to death.
If it did lead to death then it would be like a virus. Statitical analysis shows that as long as smoking has been around, logically, if smoking lead to death 100% of the time (or even 25% of the time), there would be about 500,000,000 less people on earth. :/

Smoking is not good for you but it doesn't lead to death.

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Smoking doesn't lead to death, smoking leads to lung cancer which leads to death.

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/me cuts arm off well I mean we're all gonna die right?

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What your saying (rather you realize it or not) is that smoking will not shorten your life or those around you.

This is unethical because it isn't 100% true, your giving misleading information. Smoking severely compounds everthing that leads to our eventual demise. It causes respiratory health problems and (over time) lung cancer. Yes, you can get lung cancer from being exposed to other things. However, smoking IS the leading cause for lung cancer in the world. If someone does not smoke, their chances of ever getting lung cancer is severaly reduced.

You can sit here and say your not trying to rationalize this all you want. But that is exactly what your doing because you don't want to accept that your shortening your life span AND those around you that are forced to inhale that crap because people like you are too damn inconsiderate to simply wait untill you get home.

BTW, the Canadian Government thanks you for your contributions...even at the cost of your health and well being.

(insert any other country in the place of Canada where applicable for your situation)

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"At last, we have come to find the truth to our souls. Though, the truth is not what we expected. I now fear my own soul."

I'm not a smoker. Besides the somewhat unpleasant smell, I simply do not have the cash to make it a a habit. But, because of the type of people that are apparently quite prevelant at this message board, I am a pretty devoted anti-anti-smoker.

As has been said here before, sure, smoking may cause cancer, and it may kill you. But, as has also been mentioned, many other things can cause cancer. Hell, getting up out of bed in the morning can be potentially fatal. Whatbugs me the most about so many anti-smokers is their nauseating self-righteouss. They could be driving down a city street in an SUV suckin down a greasy McDonalds cheeseburger and talking on a cell phone, and then glare haughtily in disgust at a smoker they see on the street.

Now hold on, I know, I know, this is certainly not true of all anti-smokers, and is probably a very wide exageration. But the point remains--Just about anything you do could either kill you or kill someone else.

There's also the single-mindedness of many other anti-smokers. You know, they type who apparently lurk at websites that they feel support their own ideas, spout off unchecked statistics, and then flood message boards with shameless propoganda photos.

And, you have to admit, had Al Pacino pulled out a stick of gum while trying to protect Vito Corleone's hospital room and chewed on that instead of pullin out a cigarette, he would have looked FAR less cool and intimidating. In that case, cigarettes saved a life.

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Self-righteous people are more sinful than I am.

Al Pacino would have been just as cool pulling out a chunk of lard and chewing it. Al is the man.

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OH MY ****IN GOD. That has got to be the WORST comparision I have ever ****ing heard in my LIFE. And I don't even have to explain why. That was completely moronic.

Stop and think before you post such idiotic tripe next time will you?

Also, Good points there Cougar. And the bit about those stupid anti-smokers sounds alot like someone here *cough*



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I don't care if you want to smoke - just don't do it around me.

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Shut up. I'm GOING to do this whether you like it or not.

Raoul Duke, this one is for you.



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[This message has been edited by Rod-Nog (edited February 06, 2004).]

Well, it didn't hurt and it wasn't funny, so what is your point?

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Of war, we don't speak anymore

I don't care if you smoke, I care if i have to breathe that **** too.

Well, I don't smoke.


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Then only thing is, the nauseating self-righteous anti-smoker "...driving down a city street in an SUV suckin' down a greasy McDonalds cheeseburger and talking on a cell phone, and then glare[ing] haughtidly in disgust ast a smoker they see on the street..." isn't forcing a greasy McDonalds cheeseburger down someone elses throat! They're harming themselves and ONLY themselves.



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"At last, we have come to find the truth to our souls. Though, the truth is not what we expected. I now fear my own soul."

It's fun to watch people rationalize smoking. It really is. It's not like smoking pot. There are stats for and against that, and the debate could go on forever. but this, this is simple. Smoking greatly increases your chance of lung cancer, which normally results in death. So why would you want to do it? It makes NO logical sense. Whatsoever. When I see someone smoking, I do feel a slight twang of disgust. It's not a smart thing to do, and I've never heard anyone give a goood reason for doing it. Why don't you just try and drink acid every day?

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"Buildings that we have created to be aesthetically pleasing are slaughtering birds."

Hey Nubs, it has to do with a very simple word: Addiction

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"What I find especially funny are the neo-Celtic religions based on accounts made by the Romans. It's like learning about Judaism from Nazi lore." --stat

"Then only thing is, the nauseating self-righteous anti-smoker "...driving down a city street in an SUV suckin' down a greasy McDonalds cheeseburger and talking on a cell phone, and then glare[ing] haughtidly in disgust ast a smoker they see on the street..." isn't forcing a greasy McDonalds cheeseburger down someone elses throat! They're harming themselves and ONLY themselves."

CaptBewil, come on. You even quote my entire sentence there, but you only attempt to refute a segment of my hypothetical situation, and somehow your argument is supposed to refute the rest of my statement. Unfortunately, the 'SUV-driving, cell-phone talking' references perfectly fall under the 'harming others as well as themselves' category. What you attempted to pull there is a logical fallacy, as in selectively choosing data to defend your point while deliberately ignoring other bits of data which you know prove yourself wrong. Don't do that again.

Nubs: First of all, drinking acid is guaranteed to burn away your larynx, stomach lining, and other essential things. Smoking only increases the chances of cancer and other slightly debilitating nasties. Also, whereas drinking acid would provide absolutely no pleasure at all, but instead probably excruciating pain, smoking tends to relieve stress. Which, of course, is why they are so popular even when everyone knows they are not too good for the body. Poorly-crafted analogies are also logical fallacies. Don't do it again.

Anyway, you know a huge difference between marijuana and regular tobacco cigarettes? When you smoke a cigarette, your mind is fine. Sure, there's a thin cloud of smoke in the air around you, which potentially could making you or someone around you unhealthy somewhere along the line. But other than that, everything's peachy. Now smoke a joint. What happens to your mind? Would you smoke pot and drive? Smoke a tobacco cig in the car, and the worst that'll happen is a thing film of tar on the windshield that can be cleaned off. With pot, that's just as irresponsible as driving drunk. And that's something that I do have a big problem with. That is an example of total irresponsibility and poses an immediate, as opposed to theoretical, threat to other people.

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Self-righteous people are more sinful than I am.

I reiterate: prove that smoke inhalation doesn't harm you.

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"LC Tusken: the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot"
NMGOH || Jack Chick preaches it || The Link of the Dead

No, I was avoiding the trap that you set up for me and focused on the relevent information. Red-Herrings are reasoning fallacies as well, ya know.



Theoretical?! I think not:
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hecs-sesc/tobacco/facts/health_facts/second_hand.html

Your presenting misinformation as if it were fact. This is unethical, please stop.

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[This message has been edited by CaptBewil (edited February 06, 2004).]

Yes, we should pitty them because they are an addict. It's not their fault that they became addicted to a harmful substance.

A lot of smokers want to stop but can't because of their addiction. On the other hand, there are quite a few ex-smokers that have quit dispite their addiction. "Where there's a will, there's a way." Encouragement from friends, family, and other loved ones go a long way towards helping a smoker kick their habit.

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"At last, we have come to find the truth to our souls. Though, the truth is not what we expected. I now fear my own soul."

See, you are all kind of missing the point.
I would like someone to prove that smoking actually is the cause of death in more than 10% of smokers world wide.

NO I DON'T SMOKE SO I'M NOT RATIONALIZING ANYTHING. YES I KNOW SMOKING IS BAD FOR YOU.

What I want to know is where are the stats that say smoking is the reason people die. Sometimes it helps. But sometimes (more than the media has brainwashed us all to believe) it's from something completely unrelated.
Remember people, the smokers of the world are counted on a scale of billions. There would be a **** of a lot more deaths out there if smoking == death.

btw, just because a smoker gets lung cancer or has heart disease doesn't mean that it was because they were a smoker. Nor does it mean the cancer or disease was aggrivated to fruition from smoking.
YES I KNOW SMOKING CAUSES THESE THINGS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE STATS THAT SAY IF THE PERSON WAS A SMOKER AND HAD LUNG CANCER THAT THAT PERSON WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN LUNG CANCER OR WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN IT FOR MANY MORE YEARS HAD THEY NOT BEEN A SMOKER
Once again, logically and statistacally speaking, there would be a lot more dead people in the world if this were the case.
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[This message has been edited by Darth Evad (edited February 07, 2004).]

http://66.59.133.166/info/pubs/new/211324/fsecte1.htm



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"LC Tusken: the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot"
NMGOH || Jack Chick preaches it || The Link of the Dead

Good reply but it looks like GBK's IP address in a web page that someone made real quick to prove a point.
At the same time, I'll take it for what it is.

Which by the way was a business I was going to start. I'll make a professional looking web page to back any argument/debate you are having. No matter what you're arguing.

http://www.cancer.ca/ccs/internet/standard/0,3182,3543_10175_272436_langId-en,00.html
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[This message has been edited by Darth Evad (edited February 07, 2004).]