http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,1136483,00.html


Discuss.

Well, deploy your troops, and I mean it

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Don't know, but it wouldn't suprise me.

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As cruel and seemingly senseless as things like this are I honestly don't think it's something to make a big fuss over. Any kind of dictatorship requires fear, which must be created by things like this. It ticks me off when someone else thinks that justify's "liberating" the country just because the people running it are being violent. They're SUPPOSED to do violent things. That's the way their system of government works. If other people don't like it then they should just mind their own buisness... but don't get me wrong. That's still tragic and all.

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I wouldnt put it against North Korea... Kim Jong-il is a freaking psychopath.

What the ****?
Get off, get off now!

(how old are you anyway? And still taking comic books so serious)

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[This message has been edited by Molgrew (edited February 06, 2004).]

Thank goodness it's the Brits saying it and not US intelligence. Maybe the world community will be a little more open to doing something about it.

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[This message has been edited by Bobbert006 (edited February 06, 2004).]

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You're entering a world of pain.

A dictator isn't necessarily a bad person, merely someone with absolute power over their country. For hundreds of years England had such people in the form of it's monarchy (we still have our Monarchy, they just don't have any real power), only a handful of our monarchs were notably "evil", we've had plenty of good Kings and Queens too.

Yeah. It's just like those whiny Jews back in the 40's. We should have just minded our own business. It's just Hitler's form of government.

Creating a Dictatorship requires nationalism, and creating nationalism requires a scapegoat.

I mean, don't get me wrong, it's still a bummer for them. But not something for US to worry about.




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.... right.

I'm Skeptical.

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"At last, we have come to find the truth to our souls. Though, the truth is not what we expected. I now fear my own soul."

I don't think the US gov has any problem dealing with North Korea, however they have a slight problem with dealing with that nice massive country next door called China.

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"What I find especially funny are the neo-Celtic religions based on accounts made by the Romans. It's like learning about Judaism from Nazi lore." --stat

Wow, just....wow....



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"Buildings that we have created to be aesthetically pleasing are slaughtering birds."

hehehehe.....Axis is trying to justify these actions. Does anyone else find that ironic?

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"What I find especially funny are the neo-Celtic religions based on accounts made by the Romans. It's like learning about Judaism from Nazi lore." --stat

Why? Last time I checked the fact that both countries depend on eachother kept anything from escalating above targeted whining.

hmmmm...couldn't we just encourage China to invade North Korea? I would assume they would want the land.

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"What I find especially funny are the neo-Celtic religions based on accounts made by the Romans. It's like learning about Judaism from Nazi lore." --stat

Alas, I do not want this to turn into a thread just to flame Axis. Now discuss the topic. Please.

Not exactly ironic... more logical.

So Axis, you're trying to tell us that these things are okay, because the leader can't rule any other way?

I just think the dude has a right to rule his nation how he see's fit without having someone like the U.S. come in and kill him because they don't like how he runs things.

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"The Oracle told me I would die with my boots on. I've worn tennis shoes ever since." - Axis

That doesn't mean china won't try to help it's ally. In the mean time there won't be any North Korea Assaults for years, considering the military is tied up with iraw atm. I had a good article i read about how the US is criticised for trying to force democracy while allying its self with other Opressing governments ex (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia). But then Winston Churchill said " If i were told that the Devil were on poorer terms with Hitler, i should find myself making an alliance with hell." I'm not sure how to explain it but the US just seems to focus on a single threat at a time throughout history, while slowly trying to do passive influence in other nations until the moment presents it's self to "liberate".

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---Thomas jefferson, Declaration of Independance.

Haha.... now I KNOW you aren't serious....

I don't know if it's true. It would not suprise me though. Communist goverments historically don't give a crap about the welfare of their people. And Kim Jong-il is a dictator and a lunatic to boot.

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Not quite. 6 million or more died in the first. This is the same sort of thing, but hopefully on a much smaller scale.

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So basically your just saying nothing can be changed, whatever, thats the way it is? Cmon man what the hell! How would you like to fear for your life all the time and live in poverty and that crap? "Well thats the way it is sorry the dictator has absolute power its his country not our businesss". Say that to some orphans whos parents got publicly slaughtered. oh and one of the orphans has no legs.

No, it was many more. I believe it was about 6 million jews, and the number 18 million total comes to mind.

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Wow.. you have some of your views pretty damn messed up..

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You feed the kids garbage about "rights", and its all they can talk about. Earlier today, MechWarrior was trying to convince me that hitler had a right to kill all of the jews because it was his country.

To you sir, I say this:


In summary, I'm going to declare a dictatorship over you so that I have thr "right" to torture you until you die a horrible painful death.

ITS MY RIGHT, AM I RITE? LOLOLOL

[you seriously disgust me]

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Though his views are a bit extreme, I will agree with Axis in that America should keep out of other countries business.
No one tells bush how to run the U.S.

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What are you talking about? They do all the time; we just don't listen. If they really want us to obey, I guess they could *make* us, but then, we're really not doing all too much objectionable, are we? No, we're not.

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If someone was really telling bush what to do, Do You really think we would have gone to war?

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/me declares himself ruler of the earth and brutally slaughters everyone Axis ever cared about


i am ruler of the earth it is my right to do such things...

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[This message has been edited by DrkJedi82 (edited February 06, 2004).]

Your question really doesn't make sense in context, so I'll just guess at what you're saying.

Germany and France were telling us not to go to war. A far greater number of countries (ones that weren't bound to oil deals with the iraqi gov't like France) were with us in the coalition. In the end, Bush did what he thought was right given his information.

And you know what? I'm absolutely confident it's for the best. If Iraq can in any way be established as an oasis of liberty and freedom in the middle east (yeah, it's a definite long-shot), it was definitely worth it.

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Okay, let's not go around stereotyping "Commies!" Especially since the world has never seen a True Communist government.



I fail to see where he was justifying the actions. In fact, he specifically stated he disagreed with them. What Axis is talking about is what's called "Respecting the sovereignty" of North Korea...something the U.S. has forgotten how how to do...

It's ironic that the U.S. use to run around 200+ years ago asking (demanding) other countries to respect their sovereignty, but now rushes into another country anytime their is a percieved "rightous" cause.

Reguardless, I'm still skeptical that this is actually going on. Can we get some varification from some other sources?

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"At last, we have come to find the truth to our souls. Though, the truth is not what we expected. I now fear my own soul."

You're totally missing the point. Injustice is central to these cases.

The colonist situation was totally different, and in fact many countries did not recognize US sovereignty for awhile. Besides, it had to do with the forming of a new nation, not tolerating grievous human rights violations like Iraq and Nazi Germany.

You *HAVE* to draw a line. You cannot just stand idly by while people are KILLED en masse. IT IS NOT RIGHT. There are moral absolutes, and MASS MURDER is one of them.

National sovereignty might be a nice idea, and it might help the world to live in peace. But when, say, hundreds of innocents are dying purposely each day, don't you think it's time to DO something?

Yeah, it would be easier to say "it's not my problem!", or "they have a right to do whatever they want". But in reality, these are REAL LIVES that are REALLY ENDING. You *must* put things into perspective and understand the total atrocities of these kinds of things. Can you even *imagine* being poisoned to death for no reason? Or being sent into a room promising a shower only to have it flooded with toxic gas?

I'm fairly certain there were quite a few reports of stuff like this from the sons of Saddam Hussein. Like, one of them chose a woman off the street, raped her, and then had her body chopped up. Another was put into a wood chipper while still alive.

I simply don't understand this. Where is your humanity? How can these things not stir you to action? To me, your ideas are incomprehensible. Imagine your friends, family, brothers, sisters, parents, all killed before your eyes. Does that change the perspective? Should it? Or should the lives of strangers be equally important?

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You should really stop using the internet. It's one of those things that only certain people actually get.

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Let's not forget that Russia and China were also against Bush. Let's also not forget that there were independant groups that keep track of the "moving" of WMD componants world wide that said Iraq didn't have WMD's.



That's no excuss. There was plenty of contridiction to their supposed evidence. Saddam was also cooperating with the UN. The entire issue as a whole is a much more complicated then how the Bush Administration and the U.S./British media paints it.



Irrelevant. It wasn't our place to force this on them. Reguardless, it'll never work. Only an ignorant fool of the Mid-Eastern culture would ever believe that there could be a peaceful democracy in Iraq.

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"At last, we have come to find the truth to our souls. Though, the truth is not what we expected. I now fear my own soul."

1) We're not talking about WMD's.
2) We're not talking about WMD's.
3) We're not talking about WMD's.
4) Russia and China are irrelevant. Maybe you missed the whole "lots of other countries" part.
5) I don't know what an 'excuss' is, but he wasn't cooperating, and hasn't been. Check the history books, kid. H'es been kicking the inspectors out and being generally uncooperative for 12 years or so.
6) I'm so sorry we're rebuilding schools, rebuilding the economy, and fixing the electrical infrastructure of Iraq (none of which worked under Saddam, so don't try that argument). Note to self: In the future, leave mass killing dictators in power in favor of giving them wretched liberty or freedom, because its a forgone conclusion that they will somehow blow it up.

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