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CD + linux + ??? = ogg vorbis
2004-02-16, 12:57 PM #41
Your ears may be alright, but I fear for your eyes and reading ability.
I posted how it can be proven.

You do a blind ABX listening test, A=original, B=encoded, X=either one of the two and you name what it is

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2004-02-16, 1:22 PM #42
Conclusion: Linux is fun.

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2004-02-16, 1:25 PM #43
? wtf you troll?

You made the claim that vorbis sounds significantly worse than mp3, thus implying you could pick it out anytime without even knowing exactly that vorbis is playing, I then told you to prove it by performing a double blind listening test

http://doc.hydrogenaudio.org/wikis/hydrogenaudio/ABX

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">ABX is a method for determining by listening whether two wav files are audibly different from each other. The method is most useful for listening to potential differences near the threshold of audibility. A key feature of this method is that the tests are performed "blind," or without the listener's knowledge of what the file-under-test is. Another key feature is that the influence of chance on the results can be reduced by performing multiple tests (trials).

The tester assigns one file to the "a" button, the other file to the "b" button, and then the abx program randomly assigns either the first or the second file to the "x" button. The listener can listen to a, b, or x, in any order, as many times as he wishes, then decides whether x is the same as a or the same as b. That's one trial.

An ABX session consists of multiple trials to reduce the probability that a particular result is the result of chance rather than the listener actually hearing a difference. For example, if a listener correctly identifies x after only one trial, the probability of that occurring by chance is 50%. However, if the listener were to correctly identify x five times out of five trials, the probability of that occurring by chance is 0.5^5 = 0.03 (3%).</font>



(in short: A=original, B=encoded, X= A or B, you don't know which, you write down what you think X was, you do it so often that the statistical doubt is very low)

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If you don't do that you are full of bull**** and not to be taken seriously anymore

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[This message has been edited by Molgrew (edited February 16, 2004).]
2004-02-16, 1:31 PM #44
...oookey dokey, let's all take a deep breath and respond a bit more calmly.

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2004-02-16, 1:34 PM #45
Guys...they're just file formats!

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2004-02-16, 1:35 PM #46
Uhm, did you delete drkjedi's reply, Jaiph?

Or wait... did he remove it himself to cover something

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[This message has been edited by Molgrew (edited February 16, 2004).]
2004-02-16, 1:36 PM #47
I like flowers...

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2004-02-16, 1:38 PM #48
no i edited my first post and deleted or edited all my posts... don't you EVER call me a troll and leave me alone

[This message has been edited by DrkJedi82 (edited February 16, 2004).]
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2004-02-16, 1:38 PM #49
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Molgrew:
Uhm, did you delete drkjedi's reply, Jaiph?

Or wait... did he remove it himself to cover something

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Haha, when I looked to find his post, I saw yours and thought he edited his post so he could flame himself... :sigh:

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2004-02-16, 1:44 PM #50
Dude, it's so easy really, you said you could guess vorbis easily, I ask you to do it, you refuse?

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[This message has been edited by Jaiph (edited February 16, 2004).]
2004-02-16, 1:46 PM #51
Flowers! Flowers! FLOWERS!!!

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2004-02-16, 1:47 PM #52
ok... new and very freakish development... apparently it was a weird issue with the encoder i used the last time i tried it (and it DID have the problems i mentioned)... the quality is better but not by a whole hell of alot...

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2004-02-16, 1:48 PM #53
hey molgrew try looking at your images before you post them

oh and ok i'll do your little test then lie about the results since the internet gives the convenience of being anonymous and far away from you

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2004-02-16, 1:54 PM #54
Sometimes you have to tell people things bluntly, that's a harsh worldly wisdom

(doing an ABX test is not necessary anymore, your comments and behaviour just disqualified yourself from participating in serious discussions in the future and being taken serious by others)

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2004-02-16, 1:59 PM #55
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Flowers! Flowers! FLOWERS!!!

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[This message has been edited by Mystic0 (edited February 16, 2004).]
2004-02-16, 2:21 PM #56
This reminds me of one time this guy told me compression worked by removing the wavelengths that you don't hear. Then he said he could easily pick a 320 Kbps MP3 from an uncompressed WAV, and that's why he keeps all his audio in uncompressed WAV, heh.

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2004-02-16, 4:29 PM #57
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Molgrew:
Sometimes you have to tell people things bluntly, that's a harsh worldly wisdom

(doing an ABX test is not necessary anymore, your comments and behaviour just disqualified yourself from participating in serious discussions in the future and being taken serious by others)

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no you behaving like a troll (yes YOU are the troll in this because even when i asked you to back off you kept going) would disqualify YOU from being taken seriously... that and your attitude and disregard for the rules

i sure hope you are different in person... if not i'm sure you get your *** kicked alot



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