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Indiana Jones 4 delayed...or stalled...
2004-02-19, 2:08 AM #1
..according to The Force.net.

I'm not sure if I really want to see a gray haired 70 year old man triasping through jungles and caves anyways....

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2004-02-19, 2:11 AM #2
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Snake-Eyes:
I'm not sure if I really want to see a gray haired 70 year old man triasping through jungles and caves anyways....</font>


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2004-02-19, 3:26 AM #3
Its too bad, because apparently everyone except GL loved the script. Some people who had access to it were quoted as saying that it was 'exactly where the franchise needed to go.'

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2004-02-19, 3:57 AM #4
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DSettahr:
Its too bad, because apparently everyone except GL loved the script.</font>


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2004-02-19, 4:38 AM #5
GL didn't like the script? Wow. Must have been a good script then.

Aww. Lucas thinks he's a writer.
2004-02-19, 4:45 AM #6
I don't think the problem is a 62 year old man galavanting about in the jungle as much as it's a 60 year old man who's lost touch with filmmaking.

It probably didn't have enough CG characters. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2004-02-19, 5:00 AM #7
Or enough Jar Jar Binks.

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2004-02-19, 5:04 AM #8
Harrison Ford still has it. George Lucas does too, just not in the same way that he once did. People change...tastes change...but that doesn't mean that they should just retire.

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2004-02-19, 6:20 AM #9
It was called The Last Crusade for a reason. I mean, they rode off into the friggin' sunset. The resolution was perfect and the Indiana Jones series does not need to continue.

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2004-02-19, 6:24 AM #10
All good trilogy's come in 5.

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2004-02-19, 7:44 AM #11
Ya... either make the movie or dont, but dont let George Lucas ruin the script. Oh now it makes sense. He didnt want Indy to rape Star Wars 3 in the box office.

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2004-02-19, 7:47 AM #12
Geez, guys...

Get off the freaking Lucas bashing podium for once in your life
2004-02-19, 8:23 AM #13
^ You say that like the last movies he's written were good..
2004-02-19, 9:10 AM #14
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Yecti:
I don't think the problem is a 62 year old man galavanting about in the jungle as much as it's a 60 year old man who's lost touch with filmmaking.

It probably didn't have enough CG characters. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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Lucas wants to replace Ford with a CG Indy. That must have crossed his mind a least a dozen times [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2004-02-19, 10:30 AM #15
fourwood:

I enjoyed both the prequels...if that's what you mean. I was entertained... Sure they had their weaknesses, but I was entertained. End of story.

That's fine people don't like Lucas, but these assaults are just f'in rude...especially for what is it...5 YEARS NOW since TPM came out?!

Also, because TPM/AotC uses a lot of CGI, why is it that everyone complains about Lucas and CGI.

Did Lord of the Rings get slammed for it's CGI's? I know LotR had real sets, and built a real town...

But Lucas did that too for the prequels. Everything wasn't CGI.

What do you want? Lucas to build Coruscant?

I'm just sick and tired of hearing these stupid complaints about Lucas...
2004-02-19, 10:36 AM #16
It's because they've built these movies up in their heads for so long, and had their own perfect fanboy visions of what they should be, that they were sorely disappointed when they were way off target. They need someone to blame for their own overhyping, and God knows it's all George's fault, after all, he's the one investing his millions into these films so that he can complete his own vision.

Lucas is in business, he's making a product. If you don't like the product, or are disappointed with the direction its heading, do it yourself, and do it BETTER.

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2004-02-19, 10:36 AM #17
But if you liked the prequels you aren't a real Star Wars fan. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/rolleyes.gif]

Long live Jar Jar Binks! [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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2004-02-19, 11:09 AM #18
The only thing I wanted was a puppet. I didn't want ILM (I grew up with ILM in my family, my sister was engaged to one of their lead designers for like 6 years) putting tons of computer generated stuff into the works. Yoda was a puppet. Not a floaty guy on a hovercar. The only instance when he should've been CG was his flippity fight scene with Dooku. CG backdrops are one thing, but it's impossible to get good acting out of characters who are interacting with somebody who isn't really there. The reason LotR doesn't get bashed is because Golem was ON THE FREAKING SET THROUGH EVERY SCENE THE CHARACTER WAS IN. The actual actor who did the voice also tore himself up and provided the instances in which the character thrived. So the acting was believable. George should've stuck with using puppets and using CG to accentuate them, not using CG as primary characters.

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2004-02-19, 11:11 AM #19
I haven't heard anything about this at all except "They're doing an Indiana Jones 4." and now, "It's being delayed."

Not real promising... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2004-02-19, 12:03 PM #20
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth J:
It's because they've built these movies up in their heads for so long, and had their own perfect fanboy visions of what they should be, that they were sorely disappointed when they were way off target. They need someone to blame for their own overhyping, and God knows it's all George's fault, after all, he's the one investing his millions into these films so that he can complete his own vision.

Lucas is in business, he's making a product. If you don't like the product, or are disappointed with the direction its heading, do it yourself, and do it BETTER.

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Irony is calling people with criticisms of Lucas "fanboys" whilst flaming them.

We have issues with the prequels, deal with it. We have every right to. You liked them? Good for you. That's your right too. You don't see us getting pissed off and giving you hell for liking them do you? No. So who exactly is exhibiting the fanboy behaviour here?

Lastly, the "go do it yourself if you think you can do better" argument has always been a last resort attack. Of course we are not filmmakers so can't go do better, but that goes for any movie. Even Gigli.

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2004-02-19, 12:06 PM #21
It is George Lucas's product, and he can do with it what he likes. Unfortunatly.

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2004-02-19, 12:10 PM #22
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Did Lord of the Rings get slammed for it's CGI's? I know LotR had real sets, and built a real town...

But Lucas did that too for the prequels. Everything wasn't CGI.

What do you want? Lucas to build Coruscant?

I'm just sick and tired of hearing these stupid complaints about Lucas...
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That's because LotR are great films. Lucas doesn't know what he's doing with CGI while Jackson does.

If Star Wars had great actors that could *act* and a good story...I know LotR is adapted from a book, but still.

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2004-02-19, 12:11 PM #23
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Of course we are not filmmakers so can't go do better, but that goes for any movie. Even Gigli.</font>


I will not stand by and allow you to mock that movie!


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2004-02-19, 12:19 PM #24
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth J:
do it yourself, and do it BETTER.

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Lucas would sue anyone who tried.

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2004-02-19, 12:55 PM #25
Yes, that "You don't like it? DO IT BETTER!" thing is the most stupid, retarded and idiotic argument I've ever heard. Man it irritates me. Gee, you think Pintos are crappy cars - BUILD A CAR YOURSELF! Because obviously the quality of any product must be rated against your own personal abilities!

Get real. TPM and AOTC were crappy movies. The only reason I paid to see them in theaters was because the original trilogy was good. That's it. I don't own either movie, and - frankly - I feel no pressing need to get them. As a consumer, I'm putting my money where my mouth is.

Lucas can't write. The new films would be much better if other people wrote them. What I think you people seem to forget is that Lucas didn't write or direct ESB or RotJ - the best films in the series. Also, I think you people are forgetting how utterly terrible the original Star Wars script was before 20th Century Fox demanded about 10,000,000 changes. I'll give you a hint: R2D2 and C3PO were drunk humans.

Almost as absurd as suggesting we do better.
2004-02-19, 2:07 PM #26
Unlike Star Wars, LOTR incorporated CGI to the point where it wasn't noticeable. There's a scene in FOTR where they are setting out from Rivendell. They pass some large ruins on a hill. CGI, but incredibly realistic. LOTR also used set and models to keep things realistic. STar Wars seems to just throw images at you and say "look what we can do!" Lucas has allowed the special effects to overwhelm the picture. LOTR had amazing CGI on par with Star Wars, but never let it come before the story. That's the difference.

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2004-02-19, 2:23 PM #27
What exactly is Indiana Jones 4's plot?
2004-02-19, 2:34 PM #28
Indiana gets old and dies. And the dog outlives him.

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2004-02-19, 4:37 PM #29
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Of course we are not filmmakers so can't go do better, but that goes for any movie</font>


Jaiph get mad smash bad man. JAIPH SMASH!

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2004-02-19, 5:21 PM #30
lmfao. priceless.

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2004-02-19, 5:27 PM #31
This could go on forever....

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2004-02-19, 6:33 PM #32
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Rod-Nog:
If Star Wars had great actors that could *act*...</font>


It's bursting with these. They just don't get the chance.
2004-02-19, 6:46 PM #33
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Yecti:
I don't think the problem is a 62 year old man galavanting about in the jungle as much as it's a 60 year old man who's lost touch with filmmaking.

It probably didn't have enough CG characters. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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He updated SW with CGI because conventional methods did not look like his personal vision.

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2004-02-20, 8:38 AM #34
You're all missing my point. My point was that you are all bashing ONE MAN, George Lucas, for everything negative that happens. It's not all his fault. I'm not perfectly satisfied with everything that's happened in the new movies, but I'm not going to lay blame on just one person, and condemn him to hell for it. The article that says Indy 4 has been canceled didn't even name Lucas as the one holding back on the script. But naturally, it's all his fault, because he made a couple bad movies.

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2004-02-20, 8:54 AM #35
Global Warming, World Hunger, War: George Lucas

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2004-02-20, 10:44 AM #36
Darth J, when it comes to the SW movies, Lucas gets his way on everything. If something sucks, it's his fault.

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2004-02-20, 10:52 AM #37
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth J:
If you don't like the product, or are disappointed with the direction its heading, do it yourself, and do it BETTER.

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Car makers are in a business producing a product. Lets say some car company makes a car with a flaw that kills people. I could never possibly hope to make a better car design myself, I dont have the training. Does this mean I'm not allowed to complain or pass my own personal judgement?

I know this example is almost completely unreleated to movies, but it helps to show my point. You're forgetting that a product implies that it has an intended audience, who has every right to pass judgement on it. If we're not allowed to pass judgement on George Lucas's work, he would never have made it widely available for us in the first place.

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2004-02-20, 10:55 AM #38
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth J:
You're all missing my point. My point was that you are all bashing ONE MAN, George Lucas, for everything negative that happens. It's not all his fault. I'm not perfectly satisfied with everything that's happened in the new movies, but I'm not going to lay blame on just one person, and condemn him to hell for it. The article that says Indy 4 has been canceled didn't even name Lucas as the one holding back on the script. But naturally, it's all his fault, because he made a couple bad movies.

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I've read several articles that mention Lucas as the one holding back on the script. Heres one that includes an interview with the writer of the script itself:

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=17037 (WARNING: some language)

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"The short and simple version of the INDIANA JONES 4 situation is that after more than a year of working closely with Steven Spielberg developing the story, I had completed a screenplay that Steven loved and was hoping to shoot in July of this year. However, George Lucas had issues with the script and slammed on the brakes in order to rework the material himself. There is talk of enlisting another writer. Given that George is the producer, but even moreso because of their long and close friendship, Steven is deferring to George in this situation.

It is now up to them to try to find a common ground regarding the film. I wish them luck and hope their efforts result in something they're both excited about shooting. What, if anything, might remain of my work at the end of the process is anybody's guess, assuming the film even gets made at this point. As for me, I'm disappointed, but I'm putting the experience behind me and moving on with my life and my own projects."
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2004-02-20, 11:00 AM #39
At least Speilberg won't let the project turn to a pile of crap.

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2004-02-20, 11:30 AM #40
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Avenger:
At least Speilberg won't let the project turn to a pile of crap.

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You've got to be kidding.

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