What is better and can windows use the g4?

The P4 is better, sadly. And no, Windows (2k, XP, any other yuppie version) CANNOT, CANNOT run on anything other than x86. NT4 could run on Sparc, if I recall, and of course theres the CE versions . . . but not 2k or XP.


But Linux can.

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Whats so great about linux? I mean the games in stores cant run on it.

There are many games that can be played on Linux (Quake-Quake3, NWN, UT-UT2K3 just to name a few).

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Linux > *
;D

and off the shelf games do run in linux if you use Wine or WineX (it's essentially and emulator... just about any windows app runs on *nix through wine)

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"Those who are able to work, and refuse the opportunity, should not expect society's support."

...So . . . games are the extent of your somputer use? I pity you.

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Fight the future.

Look whos talking

You can run Windows on the G4 with help from that x86 emulator. Not sure why you would want to, as MacOS X is heaps better than any version of Windows.

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"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."
-Robert Jastrow

..Was that pointed at me? I have no games installed on this box, or any other. This is a development box. I built it to code in Perl, not play games. Can you say that?

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I can proudly say that the main use of my computer is for games

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It's not an emulator. There's a reason for the acronym: Wine Is Not an Emulator. Because it isn't!

It works by taking commonly used DLLs from windows (a LARGE AMOUNT of em) and converts them to their linux compiled equivelents. Linux then attempts to run the program using these recompiled DLLs. Obviously, it isn't flawless, since it isn't streamlined for linux, and also there are some specialized DLLs that need to be recompiled that Wine may not have, such as game-specific files. Oftentimes this is why games will not run under WineX, because there are a few special DLLs that still need to be recompiled for it to work.

The major difference between Wine and WineX is that WineX specializes in DirectX DLL conversions. It has a lot more DLLs converted for 3d acceleration purposes. It does a pretty good job too, considering I got JED to run in Linux

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"The future is not determined by a throw of the dice, but is determined by the conscious decisions of you and me."
I am addicted to ellipses!!! AHHH!!! ...

[This message has been edited by Cool Matty (edited December 08, 2003).]

heh, i know it's not an emulator... but for the purposes of explaining it to non-nix'rs i can say it is (=

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"Those who are able to work, and refuse the opportunity, should not expect society's support."

You seem more like someone that should have all the nextgen consoles, instead of a comp. Meh, oh well. You should at least use it for other things too... mine, if it wasnt so tall id use it as a foot rest! but no, really i use like flash and photoshop and junk like that.

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"Ahhhh!! I'm Burnin'! I'm Burnin!!!" - Cleaner from Max Payne 2

Well I also do my college work on it. And I also use it for the internet a lot. I do other stuff like artwork website design and use it to listen to music since my hifi died.
Edit: I also prefer PC games to console games.
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He pities you because you possess a multiple-hundred dollar machine for writing code.



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oh yeh wlel i jsut gots finesht wiht my morrwoind mod for teh JO An it takes up teh 900 gigabiets of spaec but i wlil not sowh yuo gyz teh scrnshoots becasue we dunat kare wut u gyz tihnk ne1 no wear i kan get ti hostad 4 dounlowd!!!!11!111 --Checksum

Thanks, I almost dies laughing when I read that.

Now, tell me why it isn't?

You do know that there ARE people in this world who do that and ONLY that on their computers, right? I mean, some people might not need or want to use Word, or do graphics, or listen to music, etc., etc., etc. on their computer.

I should know. I have an old box in my bedroom and that's all it does. Allow me to play my old games and a few newer ones with a LOAD of tweaking.

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heh, i'd love to have a multiple-hundred dollar machine for writing code...
oh wait, I do

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"Those who are able to work, and refuse the opportunity, should not expect society's support."

Wow, your better than him because you spend countless hours sitting at a desk writing code while he has a life, and plays game occassionally.

Interesting!

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To myself I surrender to the one I'll never please.
But I still try to run on.
You know I still try to run on. But it's all or none.

Eddie Vedder

If coding != life, then gaming != life. But I'm sure that's just because you play games, and don't want to be a loser...


...or maybe you just hate gbk?

which is more productive: gaming or coding?
coding might actually benefit someone besides you
gaming? it's just fun for you
(no, i'm not against gaming... but i hate morons who ONLY play games all day and think they're cool because of their stupidity... go read a book)

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"Those who are able to work, and refuse the opportunity, should not expect society's support."

And all these argumentative replies are coming from people who spend their time on a Star Wars message board talking about coding games, etc....

I game, I code, I use windows.

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Half-Life 2 Central: your definitive source for everything HL2!

Also, reading a book only benefits you, so it's really no better than gaming.

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Half-Life 2 Central: your definitive source for everything HL2!

true Brad, true... but if one reads that expands their mind in ways that can benefit society as a whole... that is if it's a good book and not some pulp fiction or a star wars novel


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"(no, i'm not against gaming [i enjoy gaming]... but i hate morons who ONLY play games all day and think they're cool because of their stupidity... go read a book)" --Me

Can a book teach you to put a bazooka round through the rear armor of a Panzer? Eh? EH?

Ok, probably they can....

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Cantina Cloud | BCF | The Massassian & A Very Massassian Xmas
Corrupting the kiddies since '97

Dual CPU G5s can't even keep up with the latest single CPU PCs, even in Photoshop. :/

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.

Okay, for one, Mac OS sucks: It's all candy, smoke, and mirrors, nothing hard and factual. XP follows close after this, but still has windows to back it up, a not-so-sexy to the point OS which allows regular or more knowledgable users to use it. I've used old macs, and if they're any representation of what they are today...well...for all mac users...i'm sorry. As for their backup, it's LAUGHABLE. You can click and punch random keys, and format your harddrive! This sounds like fun no? Not only that, but it has no data recovery system, none like windows at least. I've never used linux, so that's why there's nothing about it in here.

2: P4 all the way, although AMD 64 beats them all of course. Unfortunately this is only usable in Linux, but will hopefully be patched so it can be used in XP, 2000, and will almost definitely be available in win 2003, the final edition. I believe the server is only a precursor if i'm not incorrect. But yah, x86 is the way to go.

3: Anyone who shuts others down for using their comps for one singular thing on here should be smacked. It's a Star Wars forum, of course you're gonna love gaming, you'll probably love to code too seeing as how there's coding and whatnot, and starwars geeks have always been reputed to have no life. Not that I'm saying there's shame in being a massassian, just that we need to be friendly, not outcast others for doing what they will with their money :P.

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Yoshi: have you checked out the workings of OS X?
being based on BSD it's 100000x better than all previous Mac OS's (=

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"(no, i'm not against gaming [i enjoy gaming]... but i hate morons who ONLY play games all day and think they're cool because of their stupidity... go read a book)" --Me

No I haven't, haven't had the time or money to buy an expensive, and really when you think about it quite useless, mac. With linux and/or windows and a pc, you have SOOO many options. Macs are so limited, so even if they were better, they'd still be worthless :/.

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The ignorance here is astounding. Please, go read up before you insult something.

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Why Macs suck:

1. No software.

2. Upgrade? Throw it out, get a new one.

3. Speed. Hah, yea right. It's only faster cause it doesn't have a proper program to benchmark it with. See 1.

4. May I refer you to the version number of OS X? What is it? 5 OS's in 4 years?

5. EXPENSIVE

6. Hi, I'm Mr. Incompatible with most standards, nice to meet you.

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Reasons people give for Macs owning the universe, and why they are wrong:

1. Virus free: Because no one uses it, so of course no one is going to bother writing a virus for it.

2. Faster. Wait, let's benchmark it in Adobe Premiere! Oh darn, Adobe Premiere is windows only now! Well, what about this benchmark? It's crossplatform, that should work! Oh crap, we didn't get the results we liked, I guess we better turn on the apple-specific optimizations!

3. Great for Photoediting/Videoediting: Adobe Premiere, one of the best video editing programs is now Windows only. Photoshop will probably follow suit. "But Mac's have firewire and all those special ports now, as default". Yea, for $3000. Lemme go buy a $40 firewire PCI card and call it even.

4. 64BIT PROCESSING! On what? Quicktime rendering? Oh good, now we get trailers an hour earlier than usual. Oh wait, that's right, quicktime is crappy and ad-maniac just like its Realplayer counterpart. Oh, and even better! AMD64!

5. Dual Processors: Double the speed, double the price, same productivity. Oh look, OS X loaded 10 seconds faster! Unfortunately I can't do a dam thing in it though!

6. Simpler to use. Well we just use the right mouse button to... wait, where's the right mouse button? Oh. That's right. Ctrl click. Cause everyone likes 2 hands to click on something. Oh, and that bar at the top? Yea, it's stuck there, and there's not a dam thing you can do to it. Not a dam thing at all. Still not satisfied? Drag something to the desktop from your CD-ROM drive, then take the cd out. Where did all the files go?!

7. They're colorful! Ok, as crappy a reason as it is, may I refer you to the modding contest TechTV had a while ago? Can I say MILLENIUM FALCOM PC? KTHNXBYE! Oh, you say that's not mainstream? Ok, fine, go buy yourself a alienware and get over it.

8. Microsoft stole the idea of the GUI/mouse. Well dam, I guess we should sue Linux too, since they stole the idea of security from Microsoft. Wait... something's backwards there...


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I am addicted to ellipses!!! AHHH!!! ...

You must mean no software YOU'LL ever use, even on a PC.



Gee, isn't that what you do with most old PCs anyway? And FYI, you can upgrade it. Look around.



Please, write one. Frankly, I think the speed "war" between all of the companies (Apple, Pentium, and AMD) is stupid for consumer purposes. How many people here regularly NEED that much speed?



Is something wrong with staying current? No one said you HAD to buy it.



Well yea, it kinda gets that way when you're in a league of your own. But you know what, I can find something several times more expensive in a PC.

"You must mean no software YOU'LL ever use, even on a PC."

Name a useful peice of software you can't find on the PC that does the same thing, faster, easier, and cheaper.

"Gee, isn't that what you do with most old PCs anyway? And FYI, you can upgrade it. Look around."

Not those who build their own. Which you also can't do with a mac. You are VERY limited, usually just to ram and video card.

"Please, write one. Frankly, I think the speed "war" between all of the companies (Apple, Pentium, and AMD) is stupid for consumer purposes. How many people here regularly NEED that much speed?"

A lot? How long does it take YOU to compile a JA map with 10000+ brushes and a ton of lights?

"Is something wrong with staying current? No one said you HAD to buy it."

No, but what most would consider a patch, Apple considers a new product.

"Well yea, it kinda gets that way when you're in a league of your own. But you know what, I can find something several times more expensive in a PC."

Point being, that I can build a comparative system to the Mac G5 myself for less that $1500, complete with the firewire card and monitor.

"At least it works in our favor. We didn't have to put up with Blaster. Not to mention the fact that we don't have to put up with the loads of new viruses released DAILY. Or could it be becuase OS X is so much more secure in comparison to XP?"

Neither does Linux. And there are plenty of insecurities, just you rarely see them in newspapers cause no one USES THEM.

"I'd be willing to bet everyone tweaks their benchmark tests. Apple only gets pulled out because of just that. It's Apple."

That's purely opinion, and thusly, cannot fight it.

"I highly doubt Adobe will stop producing products for Macs. It gets them money. If it gets them money, they'll continue to do it. You're also sidestepping the fact that the 3000 dollar price tag is also getting you the rest of the computer. And as I pointed out before, they're expensive because its the only one of it's kind on the market."

I don't quite catch the meaning behind "Its the only one of it's kind". Are you referring to the whole "PC in a box, ready to go" idea? If so, that's a negative, as demonstrated above. Otherwise, I don't know what you mean.
I also mentioned before that a GOOD PC can be had for HALF the price of a GOOD MAC. I can build a $1500 system that will run faster than a mac G5 for way less than the G5. Simple as that.

"Ad-maniac? Yea, one little popup when Quicktime is launched asking you to upgrade is really annoying in comparison with Realplayer. Please. And if the quicktime format is so crappy, please explain to me why all movie trailers are formatted for it."

Because it's cross platform. Macs don't have any decent divx or avi players to my knowledge, especially none that people will have preinstalled. Quicktime comes preinstalled on most PCs, but doesn't mean it's good. Hell, everyone knows Realone is crap too, but it was included with windows back in the Win 3.1 days. It's compression is deplorable, the codecs are rips off of avi variants, and it's streaming ability is the worst of the BIG 3.

"I covered my view on speed earlier."

So did I.

"It's called a menu bar and it's a hellova lot more convient than in Windows. In fact, it carries about the same annoyance the Start Menu has in Windows. I've had the disappearing files happen in older versions of MacOS but never in OS X."

The start menu is hidable, and is hardly cluttered. It is also alot more userfriendly, and YOU try and modify that dam bar like you can in windows.

"What was the last Mac YOU looked at? Yea, your Millenium Falcon PC was neat, but kinda lame at the same time. Neat in the fact someone crammed that in there. Lame in the fact that it didn't have any other drives besides the HD. Really useful. Of course, we may be thinking of two different computers here, but I doubt it matters that much."

It had a CDROM drive I believe. Of course, if you meant floppy, I must point you to the iMAC, which also contains none. Alienwares also have stylish casings, and you can of course mod your own. And alienwares may be slightly expensive for PCs, but they are FULLY functional. Anyway, I thought you didn't care about speeds?

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"The future is not determined by a throw of the dice, but is determined by the conscious decisions of you and me."
I am addicted to ellipses!!! AHHH!!! ...

have you guys looked at http://store.apple.com lately? the systems are not anywhere near "expensive" considering what you get.

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Of course not, why would they? They're all "Applephobics".



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Really? Even with Virtual PC it's not worth it, because that costs more than too much. I've used macs and I've used PCs, and the difference is not only preferential, but also has to do with their function. If you want to waste the money, get a mac. But Apple's good for 2 things--Displays and iPods.

<EDIT> Oh, and as for calling us "Applephobics." I'm sorry, I like playing Counter-Strike. What's that, you have to boot up a buggy PC emulator? Oh okay. Then what about using all the freeware made for windows. What, no compatability?? Crap, so I have to go through hell to get a config to shut down my computer automatically? Oh well, tough cookies. By the way, nobody covered how I said -NO- -RECOVERY- -OPTIONS-. Tell me the mainstream user doesn't use those? And Is, I might consider that, but I don't like paying 2500 for a box which gives me less than 1500 dollars worth of merchandise. If you're gonna pay that much, get an Alienware and call it good. By the way, does anyone know why there's a best-selling Windows emulator for the Mac, but no (or at least none that I'm aware of) Mac emulator for Windows?

Final point: It's not that there's no decent benchmarks for apples because we're applephobes, it's something purely technical which I forget now. It has something to do with x86 and non-x86 compatability. BTW, don't call me an idiot, I just don't feel like spending 30-an hour on research for an online argument.


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[This message has been edited by Dj Yoshi (edited December 09, 2003).]

Anyone who does video encoding, 3D rendering, high-res image editing(IE manipulating 2048x1536+ images in photoshop), plays certain newer games(SWG for example), etc.