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I hope he can pull it off

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just hope they can get those "complex rights issues" sorted out

i'm actually quite interested to see WETA's effects in King Kong (=
but The Hobbit would be a VERY nice film for PJ to do!


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Huh? Only within the last month has he said that he's had any interest. This is his first announcement that he definately wants to do it.

Personally I hope that they can use Ian Holm, Ian Mckellen, and Andy Serkiss again. It just wont be the same without them.

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Andy Serkis rocks! if you've seen the TTT appendeces stuff you know what i mean ;D
the amount of work he and the WETA Digital people did... just amazing.

there were some fake Hobbit trailers with scenes from other movies a few months ago... heh
but this, afaik, is the first official news of PJ wanting to do the Hobbit

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If PJ does it, it will be good

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I don't know. The Hobbit must be done in an extremely different style to the Lord of the Rings. After all, the Hobbit is a children's story. The Lord of the Rings movie often had that sense of vastness and grandeour (usually created through the fantastic orchestral music, and the landscape scenes) which I believe are a central part of portraying the story, but the Hobbit really wouldn't work like that. The Hobbit has to be bouncy and funny and jolly and gay, like the Hobbiton scene in The Fellowship of the Ring movie. Even though the Hobbit has scary bits, like with the spiders, they're still sort of funny, and I think they'll be tempted to make those scenes too scary. There is also of course the Battle of the Five Armies in chapter 17 I believe, but even this collosal battle isn't featured a whole lot, and is mostly viewed from Bilbo's point of view, and I fear that they'd put too much emphasis on the action scenes, and not enough on the other, more interesting and significant scenes (such as Riddles in the Dark, totally the best chapter ever, and also the dialogue with Smaug).

I know Tolkien will come up out of his grave and punch me in the face for this, but I think Disney might do a fairly good job of The Hobbit. There are quite a few songs and poems that'd do fantastically, and I think Disney could pull off the children's fantasy story type thing quite well. And it'd be a welcome break from horrible sequels, such as Little Mermaid 2...

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Disney tried for years to get the rights to the hobbit and LotR. If I remember correctly, Tolkien stipulated when he sold the rights that they could never come into the possession of Disney.

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Keep in mind, Bilbo is significantly younger in the Hobbit -- not too far from Frodo's age actually. I think Ian Holmes might be too old for the job.

Yes, it is quite famously in Tolkien's will that Disney were not to reproduce any of his work. :-)

That's a good point! Bilbo was 51 when he started the quest with the dwarves, and Frodo was 50 when he left Hobbiton.

Frodo was cast young by Peter Jackson. Also, in Jackson's FotR there is a flashback scene where Bilbo finds the Ring in Gollum's cave. He doesnt look much younger than he does at his birthday.

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heh, Ian Holm doesn't look all that old IRL... it's the makeup that makes him look older in FotR

and if anyone else played Bilbo i'd be most upset!

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It's got to be better than that trashy piece of animated garbage they came out with back yonder, and most certainly better than that ridiculously horrible videogame.

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I was just about to post how I liked the way they handled the songs in the animated Hobbit.

For some reason I really like the songs in the books and they shouldn't have been removed from the big live action trilogy they're doing now. But then there's no Bombadill so... what do you expect?

At the bare minimum the elves in Rivendell should have sang some, they'd be more lively and fun instead of this stoic "I have chosen your companions, Mr. Anderson" crap.

Well, there's no mention of Ian Holm coming back as Bilbo, so either the news reporters forgot to ask who would play the main actor, or Peter Jackson's going to cast a younger actor.

I have to admit I like the animated Hobbit, songs and all. I think they did quite a good job.

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It had its up points.. i think. Wait no, i'm thinking of the animated fotr one. I'm not sure now if i've seen the hobbit one or no. But the FotR was kinda neat in bits, but the way they drew Aragorn made me think of nothing more than 'pervy hobbit fancier'..

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I liked the various animation styles used in the animated FOTR, but it would be hopeless to try and defend the portrayal of Aragorn. He's wearing a mini skirt for god's sake.

Also, why is it that film adaptations are so intent on cutting Glorfindel out of the story? In the animated LOTR he was merged into one character with Legolas whereas Jackson combined him with Arwen...
Well anyway, just nitpicking.

[edit] Oh and dormouse, you should check out the hobbit some time. It's pretty impressive considering it was done for tv, lousy commercial break jumps and all. The depictions of Gollum and Smaug are just awesome. [/edit]

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Is Arwen even mentioned in The Hobbit? If so, I certainly don't remember her. I was already pissed at Jackson for making Liv Tyler's part way bigger than it should have been. I wouldn't be surprised if he cast her as Bilbo.

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Wait, i have seen this, i do remember Smaug and Gollum.. yesss..

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The only possible way that this could be old news is if you consider the fact that he said he would make a hobbit movie if the LOTR movies were succesful way back when FOTR was released. Since ROTK is apparently the greatest movie of all time from what i have heard from websites and such, it's a good guess that he would make one. i really hope he does do it, because i enjoyed the hobbit more than the LOTR books. It's also got that classic good guys vs. the dragon fantasy plot. Just imagine... 12 gimli-like charachters... with blibo and gandalf. They might have to change the way gandalf was portrayed if they want to keep it true to the other movies, because he was pretty pushy about blibo taking on the quest. He was sorta... rude at times. It might be hard to explain how he changed since the hobbit to the LOTR... ah well. i have faith in jackson. And with such a great book and with what he did with the other great books... i dont see how he can go wrong.

[edit]Oh yeah, and the animated version of the hobbit rocks. The LOTR animated version by the same people (not that crappy one with only FOTR and half of TTT that was just filmed and colored to look like a cartoon) were cool, too. I think gollum was really nicely done. The riddles part of that movie is one of my favorites. Second only to the dwarves coming to bilbo's home...

Chip the glasses crack the plates! Thats what bilbo baggins hates! That's what bilbo baggins hates, so carefully, carfully with the plates! bend the knifes and burn the corks... erm... yeah. you get the idea.[/edit]

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Anyone with half a brain knows that disney butchers all stories that they make into movies. they even make sequals that where never written in a book. They tried at one point to make a live-action silor-moon movie (shudders at what else they could do to buture it after dic did)

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Sorry man, I didn't picture 'The Hobbit' to be 'jolly and gay', the parts including the various evils I pictured to be, well, dark, and creepy, like the part with the spiders, and with Gollum also...


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Maybe he'll make The Silmarillion, and maybe even some short stories...

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can you imagine the horrible reviews The Sil. would get in the US? no american wants to think that much

i'd LOVE to see the Sil or Unfinished Tales made into movies... but it's just not going to work considering the culture we live in where no one wants to think (except the geeks who have already read the book )

(btw, if you weren't serious then let's just say i'm hypothesising ;D )

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I think Silmarillion could happen. It wouldnt be good for the silver screen, but definatly as a TV movie, like Band of Brothers. Something like that, it would be too hard to follow otherwise.

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Unfinished Tales would be great as a TV mini series (like Band of Brothers, as MB said )

but the Sil is just full of heavy stuff that only complete Tolkien nerds are interested in.

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if he does:
#1.) Goblins, he better call them ******* Goblins
#2.) if he does but Arwen in, it better be a passing shot Rivendell, even thought at the time she was most likely with Galadrial
#3.) He COULD put Legolas in, being he's from the Woodland Relm
#4.) The explaination of Golf, I always thought that was the greatest bit put in there

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the golf bit was great, and so was "Riddles in the Dark". For some reason, i seem to remember hearing a similar story about golf from the scotts (considering they were the real inventors). Does anyone know if Tolkien used that or if he just thought it up?

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I recall reading Tolkien's son saying that he would never ever let anyone make a film of The Silmarillion. Not sure if he holds the rights to it or what though.

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Christopher Tolkien probably does have the rights for the Sil since he's the one who finished writing it.

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I do believe Silmarillion was published before Tolkien's death. Christopher Tolkien compiled and published the Unfinished Tales, which is fantastic, but would never in any way work as a film. The interestingness of the Unfinished Tales lies in its comparisons to Silmarillion and the development and elaboration of the tales (for example, in the tale of Beren and Luthien Tinuviel, Beren is an elf in Unfinished Tales, but in the published version of Silmarillion Beren is a Man), and also Christopher's commentaries after each tale.

I think Silmarillion would be extremely hard to recreate as a movie, especially the first part, of the Ainur and Iluvatar; that would be like trying to make a film of genesis in the Bible. But I do think Silmarillion could be done as an opera! Yes, that might work. But it'd have to be a huge opera, to get it right. But realistically, there would be no audience for it.. Much of Silmarillion is the history of the various elves and their travels across Arda, and though someone like myself finds such accounts fascinating, it really would never have any kind of mass appeal.



Dude, the Hobbit is totally jolly and gay, in comparison to Lord of the Rings at least. The greatest 'evil' is Smaug, and even he is depicted somewhat comically. In the Hobbit, there is no mention of Sauron or of the Wraiths, and only a few songs and tales ever mention Mordor. Even the scary parts, like Stone-Trolls (I'm not actually sure whether they WERE stone-trolls, I don't think it is explicitly mentioned, but I think they were) aren't really scary, it always has a bouncy feel to it all, which I loved when I was little and first read it, and still do when I re-read it. :-)

ugh no, that movie was horrible.


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Mort: go pick up a copy of the Sil and have a look at the publishing page. it's all under Christopher Tolkien's name.
read the preface, he wrote it and says in there that he had to finish the book.

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Oh ho, it seems you're right. It was released four years after Tolkien's death. My mistake, sorry!

Interesting, I never read the Hobbit, but I do kind of know the epitome of the story. So from what everybody is saying this movie should be made into a PG rated kind of movie?

Oh and why did Tolkein stipulated that Disney can't make a movie based on any of his books?

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because he knew Disney would turn it into a piece of trash

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Mort: There was no mention of the wraiths but there was definitely mention of Sauron. He was referred to as the Necromancer and helping the white council deal with him was the reason Gandalf had to keep leaving the party. Of course that wasn't elaborated on at all and it was probably only in the process of deciding how to follow up the Hobbit that Tolkien even decided to connect Sauron with the Necromancer.

But I do agree about even the scary parts being light-hearted. In the LOTR trilogy, Frodo would never dare to put on the ring and dance around his enemies calling them names like Tom Noddy and other gibberish but Bilbo would, and did, do it at the drop of a hat.

Never gonna happen. Tolkien's son owns the rights to the Hobbit, and he's a prick. The only reason the trilogy got made is that Tolkien himself sold the rights to the trilogy before he died. The son doesn't approve of them at all, so he certainly isn't gonna let anyone do another film adaptation.