I don't think that we were lied to on purpose. I think the administration honestly thought a threat was being produced in Iraq with the WMD. Now if it is turning out that this isn't true, I want a lot of accountability. Will I get it, probably not. The powerful protect each other. Sigh, at one point there was an America which was founded on honesty and principle. I want it back. Anyway, I always thought that the Iraqis would start turning things around. I never thought that once Saddam was removed, instantaneously Iraq would be an ideal democracy/republic. There were going to be the loyalists fighting, the period of lawlessness amidst the chaos. Dad taught me that things always get worse before they get better. I hold that teaching dear.

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If you guys dont think that Bush was really elected in 2000, then should he be allowed to run for a third time in 2008? (assuming he wins in 2004 of course)

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Allowed to run!?!?!? He should be handed over to the ICC for a war crimes tribunal!

Yeah. And 85% of statistics are just made up on the spot.

Yecti summed up my feelings on this issue well enough I cant be bothered typing them out myself.

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So 15% of statistics made up on the spot turn out to be true?


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No, 70% of 15%

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Stop confusing me with your big fancy numbers

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LOL!!
Exactly.

"Lets bomb them into a society like ours. That's what they want."

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You do realize that that is a joke, yes?

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Wow. And I thought my perception was crap.

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Oh, so now you're a mindreader! You should quit mocking people just for expressing a view different than yours! Just becuase he hasn't been to Iraq doesn't justify the murderous oppressive actions of ...

oh I'm too mad to type anymore.

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Sine isn't being sarcastic. It's called parody - sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, and parody is one of the highest.

I'm sure I've said repeatedly on here that I didn't agree with the war when the US government said there were WMDs (and they still haven't found them), and I didn't agree with it when the US said it was for humanitarian reasons (because this reeked of a stumbling cover story when Bush suddenly realized that, oh shi, there is no concrete evidence and everyone would be royally pissed)

Militarily speaking it was a decent endeavor. Easy target, and - had the entire Iraqi army actually surrendered themselves and their equipment, they wouldn't have needed to establish a multi-year long garrison force. But really, in terms of the cost in both troops and equipment, and given that the objective was to capture and hold an enemy nation, it was well done.

Politicially, in terms of Bush's heavy-handed foreign policy, it was a success. Saddam's neighbours were afraid of him becoming militarily powerful again. So, by slapping Saddam down for human rights violations and even thinking about getting WMDs, the US is intimidating all of the other dictatorships in the Middle East while not obviously doing anything to piss them off.

Ideally the US will wind up with a stable Middle Eastern democracy that isn't hated vehemently by the other Arabs (ie. NOT ISRAEL) and that they can use as a semi-permanent base of operations for the region. Right now they have to beg other oil-funded dictatorships (Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc.) for airbases, and I think that's idealogically worse than if the war actually was about oil.

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And I'm agreeing with Sine. I read into what he was saying.

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er... given all of your past posts, and all of the recent conversations about Iraq that I've had with Sine, I'm guessing that you don't agree with him.

LOL! That's so true, man.

Sine: An informative graph, made especially for you:



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....Sweet Jesus on a pogostick, the irony is so much it's burning my mind. I'm not exactly sure where you get off criticizing Sine for overusing a joke with such witty graph labels as "teh clevar" or "yuo aer their", because JeffK is one of the most overused (and horribly unfunny) steaming piles of crap to ever grace this internet.

For Christ's sake.

Teh? Yuo aer?

I'm in good company.

Hey Ictus Kettle, meet Sine Pot

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It's meta and stuff. Honestly, I think I'm wasting my brilliance on you people.

Jon: You make an odd criticism for someone as adapt as yourself at recycling stale SA humor. I wouldn't bother responding: chances are, I've already read your witticisms paired someone else's byline.

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Gir gyrates towards the stupidity!

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Oh God. It's like being attacked by a pack of vicious dogs, except they're actually yapping terriers making ineffectual attempts at disembowelment. You know, one of those funny-if-it-weren't-so-pathetic scenes.

Speaking of which, Farix, literacy has many definite advantages that the pretty pictures just don't give you.

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*ponders joining discussion....before realising this one has already arrived where all these thread eventually end up*

Fewer pages than usual to reach that mark, sigh.

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not mine, but appropriate none the less.

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