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Hehe, now I know why some people still hate ATI, heh.
2004-03-15, 7:02 PM #1
Took me forever to get my new TV Wonder Pro working correctly. Version of media center bundeled with it crashed on launch of TV, so I try downloading newest version... It doens't even want to install. So I downloaded a previous version. Luckily that one works, and now everything's running smoothly. It was worth the few hours of downloading crap to get it working I guess, heh.

And being able to screen capture TV and finally rip TV shows is nice.

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2004-03-15, 7:14 PM #2
Heh, I was just watching that. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]


ATI's software sucks horribly, and their drivers croak if you try to use it on a multiple video card system.... Fortuantly, thats not a problem for me.... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]


You can try using a third-party TV app, like DScalar...

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2004-03-15, 7:16 PM #3
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2004-03-15, 7:16 PM #4
ATI > You maybe if you used a better operating system... meh...

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2004-03-15, 7:26 PM #5
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MechWarrior:
ATI > You maybe if you used a better operating system... meh...</font>


xawtv blows the hell out of ATI's pathetic excuse for a TV suite...


xawtv > > > > > Prarie Dog discharge > > > > ATI's software

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2004-03-15, 7:27 PM #6
GBK's math > *

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2004-03-15, 7:29 PM #7
Well everything's working peachy after I reverted to version 8.8 of MMC.

The quality running my satellite into card via S-video and RCA audio is amazing.

This'll make some nice rips of TV shows, heh.

Remote's kind of neat too. Nice to be able to be lazy as hell and be able to start encoding and stuff from the other side of the room.

If NVidia made capture cards though, I'd have went there in a heartbeat.
2004-03-15, 7:31 PM #8
I thought nvidia had the personal cinema GF4 cards...

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2004-03-15, 7:32 PM #9
Ah, they have it with the FX.

http://www.nvidia.com/page/personalcinema.html

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2004-03-15, 7:35 PM #10
I'm talking standalone PCI capture cards since I had no reason for forking out the extra cash for a 3D card/capture card combo.
2004-03-15, 7:41 PM #11
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by NoESC:
GBK's math > *</font>


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2004-03-15, 7:48 PM #12
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth:
The quality running my satellite into card via S-video and RCA audio is amazing.</font>


I do the same thing. S-Video sat tv + RCA audio + DVD burner = YES. The quality really is smeggin' amazing.

[This message has been edited by Jaiph (edited March 15, 2004).]
2004-03-15, 7:52 PM #13
Wish I had a DVD burner. I'm not sure whether I want to make VCDs to watch on TV or just make some DIVX or XVID movies to watch on PC...
2004-03-15, 8:09 PM #14
I have a DVD burner. And I have an ATI TV capture device. Burner's lying on the floor next to the 8,4,32 CD burner. The capture device...God knows where the hell I put that thing. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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2004-03-16, 1:04 AM #15
ATi's TV Wonder Pro software is notorious for sucking, but other than that they're a good company--better performance in all but OGL than nVidia for gaming. They also handle AA and AF better. MUCH Better...frelling ti4400...

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2004-03-16, 2:42 AM #16
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GBK:
Heh, I was just watching that. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]


ATI's software sucks horribly, and their drivers croak if you try to use it on a multiple video card system.... Fortuantly, thats not a problem for me.... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]


You can try using a third-party TV app, like DScalar...

</font>

GBK... you have problems.

I have dual monitor setup running off of my Radeon 9700 Pro. I also have an ATI TV Wonder VE. No problems with either. Ever. Even in Linux.

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2004-03-16, 2:52 AM #17
I believe he said multiple video card, not multi-display. Nuance.

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2004-03-16, 3:36 AM #18
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2004-03-16, 3:38 AM #19
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MaD CoW:
I believe he said multiple video card, not multi-display. Nuance.

</font>


Done that too. I used a GF4MX and this Radeon 9700 Pro. Either way.

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2004-03-16, 3:40 AM #20
What OS were you running? Win98?


Sure, theres no problem in Linux, because you arent using any of ATI's software.

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2004-03-16, 5:20 AM #21
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GBK:
What OS were you running? Win98?


Sure, theres no problem in Linux, because you arent using any of ATI's software.

</font>


At one point, yes. Then I formatted and went Win2k/Linux. And according to you, "ati's drivers suck in linux".

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2004-03-16, 5:25 AM #22
CM, Ive never once said anything regarding ATI's Linux drivers. Ive never used them.


And besides, ATI has written no Linux drivers for the TV Wonder. They dont need to, the standard bttv driver works like a charm. Hell, it works better than ATI's Windows drivers do.

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The future is here, and all bets are off.
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2004-03-16, 9:24 AM #23
And I was arguing the point that their windows drivers aren't bad. But meh.

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2004-03-16, 2:02 PM #24
I thought they had good Windows drivers too, better than detonator with my old GeForce.

Sucks that ATI doesn't make Linux drivers for the 7500, I only get 1000 fps in glxgears [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif] I have no hope in hell of ever getting Counter-Strike running over 1 fps in WineX [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif]

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2004-03-16, 3:18 PM #25
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MaD CoW:
I thought they had good Windows drivers too, better than detonator with my old GeForce.

Sucks that ATI doesn't make Linux drivers for the 7500, I only get 1000 fps in glxgears [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif] I have no hope in hell of ever getting Counter-Strike running over 1 fps in WineX [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif]

</font>


What distro are you using? I'm almost certain Gentoo and maybe Slack have ATi drivers for <9200. After that it gets messy.

Oh and also, on GBK's comment that they work better than the Windows drivers--I've never had a problem with stacking and/or installing ATi Windows drivers, yet nVidias DO NOT stack for me. They just screw up, and I had to do a complete removal, then reinstallation of the drivers. Quineg.


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2004-03-16, 3:24 PM #26
I was using Slack 9.1, and am on Mandrake 10 for the moment, but will be going back to Slack prolly this weekend. I'm using XFree's drivers for the Radeon. But Mandrake is so sluggish it's ridiculous. I might give it another try when I reinstall Slack (anyone know when a newer version will be out? The 2.6 kernel kicks [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif])

My computer isn't all that lousy, I figured it would be more than enough for CS in WineX (seeing as I can play CS on my old P166MMX which I use as a dedicated Linux server).

P3-750
448 mb SDRAM
Radeon 7500 64mb DDR
staudio Media 7.1 sound card + breakout box (Ice Envy 24 chipset)
40gb (Windows) + 8gb (Linux) HDDs

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2004-03-16, 3:33 PM #27
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MaD CoW:
I was using Slack 9.1, and am on Mandrake 10 for the moment, but will be going back to Slack prolly this weekend. I'm using XFree's drivers for the Radeon. But Mandrake is so sluggish it's ridiculous. I might give it another try when I reinstall Slack (anyone know when a newer version will be out? The 2.6 kernel kicks [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif])

My computer isn't all that lousy, I figured it would be more than enough for CS in WineX (seeing as I can play CS on my old P166MMX which I use as a dedicated Linux server).

P3-750
448 mb SDRAM
Radeon 7500 64mb DDR
staudio Media 7.1 sound card + breakout box (Ice Envy 24 chipset)
40gb (Windows) + 8gb (Linux) HDDs

</font>


It's the P3--I'm telling you, P3's and P3 era Celerons suck more than ANY processor yet. Even the old Durons and Athlons (non-XP) were better. Get a P2, or a Duron, something like that, and you'll be in shape.

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2004-03-16, 3:53 PM #28
ATI's linux drivers blow fat chunks.[/i]

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2004-03-16, 4:08 PM #29
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mystic0:
ATI's linux drivers blow fat chunks.[/i]

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Which is why anyone who knows anything about Linux goes third party, duh :P

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2004-03-16, 4:24 PM #30
That's why I use nVidia. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2004-03-16, 4:32 PM #31
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mystic0:
ATI's linux drivers blow fat chunks.[/i]

</font>


Pure. Unadultered. Ignorance. You just aren't willing to TRY. Took me five minutes and I can run UT2004 no problem.

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2004-03-16, 4:35 PM #32
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dj Yoshi:
It's the P3--I'm telling you, P3's and P3 era Celerons suck more than ANY processor yet. Even the old Durons and Athlons (non-XP) were better. Get a P2, or a Duron, something like that, and you'll be in shape.
</font>


Oh well, I'm getting a new comp this summer so...

Intel Pentium 4 3.4 GHz FSB 800MHz Hyper Threading CPU
Asus P4C800-E-DX Deluxe Edition Mother Board
2048MB DDR 400 PC3200 RAM
2 x Western Digital 36.6GB Raptor 10,000RPM IDE 8MB Serial ATA, RAID 0 or 1 Enabled
LG 8X DVD-Rewriter drive (black)
LG 52x CD-RW & 16x DVD combo drive (black)
ATI Radeon 9800 XT 256MB DDR DVI, TV-Out Video (Original ATI)
MSI TV@nywhere Master TV/Radio Tuner
ASUS MAX 6-Channel A.I. (Artificial Intelligence) Audio
Onboard 10/100 Mbps Network Card
Xpider Aluminum Full Tower Case

This is what I'm looking at...

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2792874077&category=52476

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2004-03-16, 6:19 PM #33
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cool Matty:
Pure. Unadultered. Ignorance. You just aren't willing to TRY. Took me five minutes and I can run UT2004 no problem.

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Prezactly. Oh well, his $80 he lost, not ours.

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2004-03-16, 7:31 PM #34
nVidia > ATI
windows > linux

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2004-03-16, 7:48 PM #35
Meh. You should have gotten a Hauppauge card. WinTV cards are quite nice. Recently traded one off for a motherboard but anyway, I far prefer ATI over nVidia because of 2D quality and price to performance ratio.

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2004-03-16, 9:36 PM #36
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by alpha1:
nVidia > ATI
windows > linux

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Um, what?


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2004-03-16, 10:09 PM #37
I remember over a year ago, when I purchased a new Radeon 7000. Instalation went smoothly, until I rebooted after loading the drivers. WindowsME booted in safe mode, if at all. I was hoping I wouldn't have to reformat my HDD, as nothing was working, after re-installing the drivers repeatedly.

...Then I read my motherboard documentation, and learned that I couldn't use the PCI slot I put it in. I switched slots, and was up and running JK at 80 fps (up from 20fps) 5 minutes later. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/redface.gif]

As for that computer, MadCow, it looks nice for that price. The only place I could see for improvement is the processor (P4EE, or better yet, A64 FX), but those with the best processor come in at $5,000.

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2004-03-17, 1:17 AM #38
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by alpha1:
nVidia > ATI
windows > linux

</font>


... GBK you handle the linux, I'll handle the nVidia.

FIRST: nVidia is only better than ATi at the point where you go Linux, because you need driver support. It's a proven fact in benchmarks that nVidia's hardware and software (drivers) is worse than ATi's. If you don't believe me, go to pretty much any benchmarking site (NOT TOMSHARDWARE! THEY HAVE A HORRIBLE BIAS!) and they will tell you what you need to know. I believe HardOCP would probably be a good place to start, though they're more news than benches anymore. I know www.hardfind.com has two benchmarks--of a 9600 PRO and a 5600 ULTRA, my uncle did those and I watched him. The 5600 actually was on-par with his old 9500 PRO. So please, do give your reasoning for this.

P.S. The 9700 Pro=5950 non-ultra. 9800 pro>5950 Ultra. 9800 XT > *.

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2004-03-17, 2:23 AM #39
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by alpha1:
nVidia > ATI
windows > linux

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I suggest that you hide.

Quick.

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2004-03-17, 4:17 AM #40
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by alpha1:
nVidia > ATI
windows > linux

</font>


Let me fix this for you:

nVidia software > ATI software
ATI hardware > nVidia hardware
linux > windows

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