....you know they might actually listen to you on that point if you haven't spent most of the thread bashing the hell out of Windows. Why do you expect others to stop doing something you still are?

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[This message has been edited by Jaiph (edited March 20, 2004).]

Can you see the relation? You are bashing Linux because you are sick of hearing people hype it.

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[This message has been edited by Mystic0 (edited March 20, 2004).]

But you and GBK don't just praise Linux, you bash Windows. It's a two way street so quit trying to paint those bashing Linux as the bad guys. You -all- should give it a rest.

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I don't claim to have no problems, I really did not have any problems. I have NEVER gotten a virus. And spyware? Who cares? If it was ever on there for more than a day it never caused me any problems anyway. I didn't even get bluescreens with Windows Me more than every once in a while. Your school library got 15 bluescreens in the past week? That sounds more like a human problem than a software problem.

Like Jaiph says, stop bashing Windows. Windows works just great for most people.

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[This message has been edited by BobTheMasher (edited March 20, 2004).]

When I "bash" Windows it is usually based on my personel experiences. Why don't we break this down here, relegious forum style.

WindowsXP themes: You have to replace a system dll file to enable custom themes just because MS didn't feel like letting people fool around with things.

My Windows XP machine used to randomly reboot and build up bad sectors on the hard drive. I recevied a few blue screens as well, and it was when my system was IDLE. Wtf? Linux had no such problem.

ReiserFS is a better file system than NTFS and especially FAT32. For example, Morrowind saves load much faster on Linux. And this is through WineX.

Windows forces you to use Internet Explorer, Outlook, and Windows Messanger. Getting rid of some things is VERY frusterating and many times impossible

I have gotten my share of viruses, including e-mail worms. Back then, I used my administer acount for everything in Windows. Why? Because it was the default and I didn't know any better. Now I know that logging on to the GUI as superuser is mentally retarded. Anyway, just by opening an e-mail, Windows allows the virus to exectute itself. I got a worm. Fun fun. In linux, by contrast, I was told during installation that I should never log on to the X server as root. Now when I access e-mails, I don't have to worry about attatchments execting themselves. I have to explicitly execute it with root privilates.

Do you have the source code for the .NET framework? I didn't think so. Do you need it? Maybe you don't need it, but someone may see a flaw and feel the need to fix it and redistribute it under the GPL. But they can't.

How many programs are licenced under GPL or similar licences for Windows? Now compare that to the number of linux GPL programs.

Will Linux adopt TC? No way in hell.

How often does linux tell you to reboot after you install a package? Yes, you may have to restart X after installing a graphics driver, but that is about it. Windows tells you that rebooting is like brushing your teeth. The more you do it, the freasher you are.

Does Windows allow you to build an OS from scratch with your own custom kernal and packages tailored to your needs? No.

You know what linux lacks? Commercial backbone. The most successful applications on Windows are backed by huge companies like Macromedia and Alias Wavefront. Because Windows is their target audience. That's the only reason. Linux is perfectly capable, they are just afraid to take a risk.

I like the philosify behind linux. I like the fact that it is not Microsoft and that I'm not being controlled. I like the freedom it gives me. It dosn't bother me that people use Windows. In fact, I don't blame them for disliking linux. The fact of the matter is that not everybody has the time and commitment to learn every aspect of an OS just to compile some programs. But I my dislike for Windows is based on my personel experiences.

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I tried switching to Mandrake 9.2 instead of windows a little while ago as I don't particularly like XP or the direction MS is heading with this TC business. Plus I have a problem with having to ask MS permission to use software I have already paid for ("activating XP").

I only use my compter for work, graphics and watching movies these days, so its not like I need windows for anything anymore. Of these, I couldn't get blender3d installed properly (despite RTM) or watch a dvd using one of the many dvd players included (again despite RTM or downloading/installing stacks of other packages) on Mandrake (a supposedly user friendly distro).

When I tried to delete the linux partition using the harddrake utility (and RTM) it deleted my linux partition well enough, but also annhilated my windows partition as well doing something nasty to my command prompt so that appeared to have been deleted (not even sure if that is possible, but I couldn't get to it no matter what I tried). I wont go into the details as I am too lazy to type it all out, but suffice to say, fixing my computer required, of all things, a windows startup disk, the fdisk command and format c:

So now I'm back to using Win98SE, which is as solid as a rock. I'd still like to switch to linux though, so if anybody can recommend a distro that they have gotten dvds to work on. Please let me know.

[edit]Good grief, most typos/grammar mistakes ever.

[This message has been edited by Run (edited March 20, 2004).]

I recomend getting Slackware. It's good, simple, lightwieght, and does exactly what you tell it to do. No more, no less. Install takes but a half hour. You only need disk 1 & 2.

http://linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=17

And one does not 'install' blender. You simply uncompress and execute.
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[This message has been edited by Mystic0 (edited March 20, 2004).]

I am a DOS man myself.

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Excuse me? My "famous" JK2 maps? You mean all 3 of them, the most popular of which was made with JK2Radiant? It's been many months since i've even played a videogame more complex than Tetris, let alone edited any.

GTKRadiant may use the GTK libraries, but the project itself is closed-source (I think, i've never been inclined to check).

Open Source libraries are fine, but I prefer an end-product that is developed close-sourced.



No, i'm bashing Linux because you're bashing Windows and i'm too bored to take the moral high ground. I'd bash Windows if it brought anywhere near as much entertainment to my dull existance. Operating Systems aren't religions, my gripes with Linux stem from the excessive frustration it has caused me in the last year and a half with regards to courseworks.

I usually ignore threads that merely praise Linux, I only stick my nose in when the Windows bashing starts.

Now you must excuse me, I have to go exfoliate.

Suckage. Try Slackware.

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Potayto, potarto Either way, it didn't work despite following the explicit instructions over at the blender website.

Slackware hey, how much tinkering do I need to do get things up and running? I'm rather short on free time at the moment and I was thinking of Suse as I had heard good things about its set-up procedure.

Slackware is VERY easy to install. Make sure you choose "full install" and it is fool-proof.

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1. Wrong. GTK Radient is open source.

2. JK2 Radient blows chunks. I'm sorry you had to be explosed to it.

3. As I said, by "bashing" of Windows is based on my PERSONAL EXPERIENCES[/i] and I am fed up with peoples CRAP. You think I am being unreasonable? Look at the title of this thread! For crying out loud...

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My bashing of Linux is based on my own personal experiences, my provocation is based on bashing of Windows.

OpenOffice.org is an example of why I don't like open source. When browsing for means of fixing my corrupt coursework, the only help I found was "OpenOffice.org is open-source, you can just write your own programs to view and fix files". Not the most helpful advice really. Or, when looking for an OpenOffice Viewer (of similar nature to the Word Viewer), "You don't need a viewer, you can just download the 75mb program, it's free afterall".

Openoffice.org is not linux. Don't blame linux for openofffice's problems.

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You might want to read my paragraph again, I didn't mention Linux once.

An operating system is only as strong as it's applications. OpenOffice.org is the major selling point of Linux for the desktop user, and it is nowhere near the standard of closed-source office suites such as MS Office.

I will not switch to a different operating system which doesn't have software of at least equal standard to the current best, which at this time is still Windows. I am aware that due to the nature of Monopolies, my attitude won't help other operating systems get the decent software. But as a desktop user, It's not my problem.

Ah, the good old days of Tie Fighter and Dark Forces...

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OOo has alot of problems. A *LOT* of problems. I dont use it anymore, I use Koffice. Its slick, clean, and its integrated into the rest of KDE. Unfortunatly, OOo gets all the publicity, even though its all but useless in Linux.

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You are definatly right about the desktop being the weakest point in Linux. But remember, you have alternaives to Open Office. If you use Gnome, why don't you try Abiword? If you use KDE, why don't you try Kwrite? Remember, with open source, you are never constrained to one program.

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Exactly. You have alternitives.

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...and you're assuming those who dislike Linux HAVE no personal experience. You just need to accept the fact others like Windows and have legitimate reasons to do so, just as you have legitimate reasons to prefer Linux. Many of us have been using computers for decades and just simply have no problems using Windows.

They are just different beasts and hence pissing matches over which is the best is just pointless and petty.

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You are entitled to use Windows. I am entitled to use linux. I am defending Linux in response to the title of this thread.

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[This message has been edited by Mystic0 (edited March 20, 2004).]

... by bashing windows.

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This thread needs to be closed...

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Agreed.

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Done, as I can see this debate going no where good anytime soon.

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