Only if you're a dimwitted hack...

All your radical ideas about dimwitted hacks have already occurred to others.

I think there is still plenty of room for things for new things to be said. Not fundamental ideas, but the world is always evolving, and people are seeing more and more of it. When you talk influences and merge them together, you get completely new ideas.

Take music for example. You can look at some bands which are truely new and fresh, but you can also see exactly what their influences were.

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To myself I surrender to the one I'll never please.
But I still try to run on.
You know I still try to run on. But it's all or none.

Eddie Vedder

I'd like to reply to this thread in full, but to do so properly would require the effort needed to write a philosophical book. What I will say is "go TLTE!" That, and I have a particular point I want to address:



I've read that book, and I agree with everything but the last statement. I know the point you wish to make, but the focus on the feeling is too much. That, and I don't feel TV, the media, government, organized religions, and anything refered to as "the system" is responsible for any negatively perceived state of humanity, nor are they autonomous mechanisms we have no control over. But if I get anymore into that, I'll have to start writing on that phlosophy book...

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Clever, but predictable. I suppose you'll do it again. Whatever.

That's the beauty of it, Yoss.

I can't take credit, though: it's a meme I picked up at E2.

I'm afraid that you're mistaken. I admitted that my rant was narcissistic manifestation, and that it pertained to the fact that many "bestow social honours upon one another for better mastery over identifying these pointless and utterly meaningless shadows", which, unless I am mistaken, does constitute as narcissism.



I'm deeply sorry if I think with a large vocabulary, and more so if that gravely offends you. Had I used something more vernacular, I'd imagine you'd be calling me an idiot right now anyway.

My rant did not have that large of a scope. I was not preaching on social liberation. Of course I know that others have thought the same as I, and that my rant was not the first written on TV in such a manner. I hope that I did not adopt so wide a view as to have stated that one should never draw on the works of others, or rely solely upon themselves. I merely was complaining about television as a reflection of mental over-dependence.

And my apologies for having put your name in front of Kieran's quotation, Ictus.

[This message has been edited by Lord_Grismath (edited December 12, 2003).]

For some reason, I have trouble swallowing that

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

When you use "big" words for no apparent reason, you just end up looking arrogant.

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Shut up. I'm GOING to do this whether you like it or not.

and yet to do so, you must use examples such as the "Allegory of the Cave"? You go out of your way to be 'less coherent?' why? There's no reason for you to behave that way; you're on a Star Wars gaming site. I've read what you said, and you bloody well did say that you think quoting from television is a sign of a lack of intelligence and wit.



I'm sorry, if that isn't condesending, I don't know what is.

Ontop of it, you're very specific about quotations. I use quotes from TVs and Movies all the time, and yes, so do many of my friends. To be honest, some of the funniest situations that have ever occured I have witnessed, I swear! And many of them have been quotes used in context that you wouldn't expect.

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To myself I surrender to the one I'll never please.
But I still try to run on.
You know I still try to run on. But it's all or none.

Eddie Vedder

There is an apparent reason, though, which I stated. I think in those terms, and the 'rant' was exactly what I was thinking as I typed. I included a 'translation' afterwards. Why couldn't I have just written it that way to begin with? Those had not been my original thoughts.



It wasn't a conscious effort to do so, it was an observation made afterwards. I typed the content, and then put that little introduction on top. I'm sorry for not conforming to the 'norms of a Star Wars gaming site', I'll try to behave in a less sophisticated manner next time.

And I do think that quoting like that is a lack of intelligence and wit. You don't have to agree, but why are you criticizing the way I think? Wouldn't you say that that's a little arrogant?

Oh Christ...

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Is this slowly becoming a flame?

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[Edit: I apologize. I've been far too agressive on this thread, and I don't really have anything to prove by calling you arrogant. Sometimes these threads... Usually these threads get way too out of hand, and an argument builds up that simply cannot be stopped. I'll go ahead and compromise before that point. We're all better off that way.]

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To myself I surrender to the one I'll never please.
But I still try to run on.
You know I still try to run on. But it's all or none.

Eddie Vedder

[This message has been edited by Eversor (edited December 13, 2003).]

Right. Sorry if I don't buy that...

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Shut up. I'm GOING to do this whether you like it or not.

Understood and accepted, Eversor.

Tracer, there's no way that I can make you believe it, so I won't try.

This is the way all good discussions should end, everyone leaves with their friendships, egos, and self-esteems intact.

Gris: I used to write just like you do. Then I realized that the purpose of writing in a public forum is to communicate, not to engage in mental self-gratification. Forcing vocabulary results in a stilted and pretentious product ("something more vernacular", "others have thought the same as I"). It doesn't matter that you know what the word means (or don't know - narcissism is an excessive love of self): if it doesn't contribute to the reader's understanding of your idea, it's not worth including.

God forbid forcing others out of their own intellectual bubbles- THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY LEARN SOMETHING.

And by narcissistic manifestation, I meant that it was the result of my inflated admiration of myself. -_-

I agree that one should consider his audience when writing, but when I philosophize, I philosophize. And it came straight from my mind to the keyboard. Contrary to the incredulities of some of you, I do think that way. That doesn't mean I walk around like some sort of bygone professor, I just write like one from time to time.

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Gris: The first use of narcissism in the title is correct. The second is not. Additionally, "incredulities" is not a word.

When you're writing for your own amusement, don't publish it. Other people's pretentious philosophizing is like painfully poor poetry. As is their ego stroking, actually.