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Fried foods in schools
2004-03-29, 2:47 PM #1
Here in Texas, since our congress suxbad, they are taking away all fried and most greasy foods from ALL school cafeterias in all of Texas(junior highs, high schools). They will also be taking out coke machines. This is supposed to reduce the fat level here in Texas.

This got me thinking, isnt this against our rights, some sort of freedom? If someone is overweight they could be ok with it and either way its not anyone elses right to make them eat something different.

Anyways, i dont consider myself overweight and im not medically and i eat fried and greasy foods all the time. Im not going to be able to eat anything but pizza next year it seems because the salads are horrible and dried out all the time, and i dont like salads unless its a last option anyways. We arent allowed off of campus for lunch either. What are your outlooks on this? Is there anything that can be done?

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2004-03-29, 2:50 PM #2
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by drizzt2k2:
Here in Texas, since our congress suxbad, they are taking away all fried and most greasy foods from ALL school cafeterias in all of Texas(junior highs, high schools). They will also be taking out coke machines. This is supposed to reduce the fat level here in Texas.

This got me thinking, isnt this against our rights, some sort of freedom? If someone is overweight they could be ok with it and either way its not anyone elses right to make them eat something different.

Anyways, i dont consider myself overweight and im not medically and i eat fried and greasy foods all the time. What are your outlooks on this?
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I'm in 9th in Dallas, why haven't I heard about this?

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2004-03-29, 2:57 PM #3
Ugh... Fried food. [http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/yellows/crap.gif]

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2004-03-29, 2:59 PM #4
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Omicron88:
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I'm in 9th in Dallas, why haven't I heard about this?
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i just found out about it today, ask one of your teachers tommorow.

edit, i found you a link

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-03-04-school-nutrition_x.htm

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2004-03-29, 3:25 PM #5
I don't think schools should serve up fat-laden foods. It's only promoting a growing problem in the US of A. So yay for the school system to actually being concerned over your health.

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2004-03-29, 3:28 PM #6
Can't you just pack a lunch?

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2004-03-29, 3:36 PM #7
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by drizzt2k2:
i just found out about it today, ask one of your teachers tommorow.

edit, i found you a link

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-03-04-school-nutrition_x.htm
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Hmm, thanks. I will ask about this.
2004-03-29, 3:38 PM #8
It will do more good than harm.

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2004-03-29, 3:42 PM #9
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gandalf1120:
I don't think schools should serve up fat-laden foods. It's only promoting a growing problem in the US of A. So yay for the school system to actually being concerned over your health.

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Not really. See, that's forcing you to eat something else...schools don't have the right to force you to eat anything else. And packing a lunch isn't ALWAYS an option (free lunch people) so it's not really fair to those kids. Especially when school foods are so crappy to begin with.

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2004-03-29, 3:45 PM #10
i asked my history and spanish teacher who are both principles if we were allowed to pack lunches with fried food, and they said it will probably not be allowed on campus and will get taken away if seen.

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2004-03-29, 3:47 PM #11
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by drizzt2k2:
Here in Texas, since our congress suxbad, they are taking away all fried and most greasy foods from ALL school cafeterias in all of Texas(junior highs, high schools). They will also be taking out coke machines. This is supposed to reduce the fat level here in Texas.
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That is the greatest thing I have ever heard. Seeing as about 60% of Americans are overweight I think its high time someone enforced measures like this. I hope Australia follows suit. Next on the list should be compulsory physical activity.
2004-03-29, 3:53 PM #12
Food doesnt have to be deep fried to taste good, ya know. I trust your cafeteria will provide flavorsome and healthy alternatives. What's wrong with pasta? Or a sandwich / roll / pita bread? I used to eat Asian stir-fry or a curry all the time for lunch at uni. Maybe this will force them to branch out a little and give you a more diverse menu.

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2004-03-29, 3:54 PM #13
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Run:
That is the greatest thing I have ever heard. Seeing as about 60% of Americans are overweight I think its high time someone enforced measures like this. I hope Australia follows suit. Next on the list should be compulsory physical activity.

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Sounds great--but have you ever HAD American school food? It's like, the most horrible concoction ever...concocted. Some fried foods (fries, tater tots, etc) are the only things that make the lunches edible. And it sucks for people who have no other choice. It'd be better if schools offered better lunch programs D:<

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2004-03-29, 3:55 PM #14
Damn skippy, Run.
2004-03-29, 3:58 PM #15
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Run:
That is the greatest thing I have ever heard. Seeing as about 60% of Americans are overweight I think its high time someone enforced measures like this. I hope Australia follows suit. Next on the list should be compulsory physical activity.

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Yea, but the people who arent overweight, me, and heck I live in Houston the fattest city in America and i have maybe 2 overweight friends and they dont take into consideration the people that enjoy the food they are taking out and are not overweight in any way. If the kids parents dont want them to be overweight i can see them not letting the kid buy certain foods, because that happens to some kids with candy here already.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">What's wrong with pasta?</font>
We dont have pasta. I have last period lunch, hence no sub sandwiches, and everyday those would get old anyways, a roll doesnt fill anyone up.

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2004-03-29, 4:10 PM #16
Well maybe since they cant shovel you full of fried fat anymore, they'll be forced to cook something nutritious and filling...

Eating lots of deep fried food can give you high blood pressure and high blood cholesterol which can lead to heart problems, diabetes, and some forms of cancer. Obesity is only one form of the problem.

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2004-03-29, 4:16 PM #17
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Silent_Rhapsody:
Can't you just pack a lunch?

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2004-03-29, 4:17 PM #18
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Spork:
Well maybe since they cant shovel you full of fried fat anymore, they'll be forced to cook something nutritious and filling...

Eating lots of deep fried food can give you high blood pressure and high blood cholesterol which can lead to heart problems, diabetes, and some forms of cancer. Obesity is only one form of the problem.

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Yep--which is why I only have fries once a week, or twice if they happen to serve it, and most of the time just have a salad/meat


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2004-03-29, 4:34 PM #19
If they really want to fix obesity in schools, they should make everyone take an hour of gym, every day. Not only is it fun (well, I think it is), but the physical activity will burn off the calories that fried cafeteria foods and soft drinks put on. And after getting exercise every day, maybe some of them will want more of it after school, and become even healthier.

It doesn't take a dietican to figure that out.
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2004-03-29, 4:34 PM #20
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dj Yoshi:
Sounds great--but have you ever HAD American school food? It's like, the most horrible concoction ever...concocted. Some fried foods (fries, tater tots, etc) are the only things that make the lunches edible. And it sucks for people who have no other choice. It'd be better if schools offered better lunch programs D:<
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4 x slice wholemeal bread, 2 x cheese slice 1 x apple. Bang. Lunch.

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While I understand your point, I can't sympathise with you at all, sorry. You can get junk food elsewheres, but the growing health problem is far too great to make exceptions. Like Spork said, obesity is only part of the issue.

>60% of the population dies from preventable diseases such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes or obesity related complaints. Almost all of these can be prevented by eating better and exercising more. Diabetes related complaints cost the US 132 billion dollars in 2002 and this is expected to rise to ~190 billion by 2020. This comes out of your taxes.

Fried foods are ok for a treat once in a blue moon, but the unfortunate fact is that bad eating and exercise habits are developed in the early years and they need to be nipped in the bud. Children and adolescents are notorious for not having the willpower to knock back fatty foods. Partly because they dont understand the long term consequences and also parents/schools etc aren't active enough in promoting healthy eating. Schools are centres of learning and should be reinforcing this message at every oppurtunity.
2004-03-29, 4:41 PM #21
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Spork:
Food doesnt have to be deep fried to taste good, ya know. I trust your cafeteria will provide flavorsome and healthy alternatives. What's wrong with pasta? Or a sandwich / roll / pita bread? I used to eat Asian stir-fry or a curry all the time for lunch at uni. Maybe this will force them to branch out a little and give you a more diverse menu.

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Sporko. Now. I understand you come from a pretty backwards country and all.. ( [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]), but here in the good ol' US of A, I can barely LOOK at the lunch food.
I tried our rice once. I almost ended up in the nurses office.
Our "potato fries" (little balls of potato) aren't horrible.. but often taste like they went through a chemical bath.
Our bread is constantly dry and hard, and not in that fresh way either. In a stale kinda way.
The meat.. Holy crap. I'm not even going to get STARTED on the meat.
And that's just the food. We have 25 minutes for lunch, three lunch lines, and 600 kids a lunch period. Now, one in every.. say.. three days, one of the lunch lines is closed because one of the lunch people didn't show up/something else went wrong, so that is equal to the 400 people who buy lunch, going through two slow lines manned by a person, two people tops. In 25 minutes. Lunch is not a happy go lucky time in my school.

Now, I'm sure you primative Australian High Schools have it much easier. Just go out an hour before lunch, shoot a kangaroo, skin it and serve it raw!

*note- All attacks made on Australia were in good nature, and were jokes. Don't hurt me.

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2004-03-29, 4:42 PM #22
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by drizzt2k2:
i asked my history and spanish teacher who are both principles if we were allowed to pack lunches with fried food, and they said it will probably not be allowed on campus and will get taken away if seen.

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THAT would be going too far


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2004-03-29, 4:46 PM #23
Oh, I agree. Stopping someone from bringing their own lunches with whatever they want is going too far, assuming that it's not an illegal substance. (Actually, upon further pondering, I suppose bringing in some deep fried chicken WOULD be bringing in an illegal substance..)

Blujay- But the thing is, I took gym for a semester last year (the required 1 semester), and while yes, if you actively engage in it it does help. But half the class got below a 30%. A 30% IN GYM CLASS because they didn't try. They walked when they were supposed to run, sat down on the bleachers while they were supposed to be playing. If the teachers don't make them participate, (which they can't, really. All they can do is send them to the office!) no more good will come out of it, and all the people who wanted to take so and so class won't be able to because gym was required.

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2004-03-29, 4:53 PM #24
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by happydud:
Now, I'm sure you primative Australian High Schools have it much easier. Just go out an hour before lunch, shoot a kangaroo, skin it and serve it raw!</font>


Actually we used to sneak out and head down to the service station on the next block [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-03-29, 5:18 PM #25
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by happydud:
A 30% IN GYM CLASS because they didn't try. They walked when they were supposed to run, sat down on the bleachers while they were supposed to be playing. </font>


Three words: electrified. cattle. prod.

Seriously though, this is why they need to be pushing the exercise thing pretty much as soon as the kids are born.

On the lunch issue, while your options at school are clearly dodgy, is it really that hard to whip up some salad sandwhiches or toss some fruit into the lunch box?
2004-03-29, 5:30 PM #26
Let me get this straight... They plan on taking away pizza from our future generations? At least the texans... Well that just sucks... I mean I wouldn't really care much about it but if they're taking away pizza... That is just wrong.

Oh and my advice to you? Graduate ASAP.

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2004-03-29, 5:32 PM #27
theres a lot of reasons i dont bring a lunch:
1. Lunch is 7th period out of 8 periods a day, i dont want to carry around a lunch that long that will probably get squished.
2. if i DID bring fried foods they might get taken up
3. they would be cold and sick anyways, we arent allowed to use microwaves
4. i would only bring a sandwich and maybe some chips everyday and that gets old, whereas i had pizza one day, chicken another, a burrito another, some cheesesticks another. it just sucks...

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2004-03-29, 5:46 PM #28
To the "rights" issue, you're a minor and you don't really have any rights.

As for removing fatty foods from the menu, I don't think it's a bad idea, but good eating habits aren't learned at school.

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2004-03-29, 6:07 PM #29
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by drizzt2k2:
1. Lunch is 7th period out of 8 periods a day, i dont want to carry around a lunch that long that will probably get squished.</font>


Dont you have a locker?

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whereas i had pizza one day, chicken another, a burrito another, some cheesesticks another. it just sucks...</font>


I'm not sure you understand that the plan is to remove the fatty foods and replace them with healthy alternatives. You're still going to have plenty of choice.

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2004-03-29, 6:15 PM #30
Avenger: Ideally, good eating habits should be learned at home, but they're not and its easier to regulate the menu at a school than it is in someones home.

drizzt2k2: those reasons are all easily overcome. Lunch getting squashed? stick it in a lunchbox. Fried foods being confiscated? Find a baked alternative. Food not hot? Bring foods that don't need heating. No variety in your diet? Consult a healthy cookbook.

Its not hard to do. Make the effort now and later on in life you can mock everyone else with the sound of blood flying unhindered through your arteries while theirs vainly tries to make its way past an atherosclerotic placque. Whoosh-whoosh says your arteries, drip-drip says theirs [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]
2004-03-29, 6:21 PM #31
One thing to keep in mind about American public schools. Food choices aren't based on nutritional value or good taste. They're based on ease of preparation. In other words, something you can pop out of a freezer and stick on/in something to heat it up.

Anyway, they're getting you ready for college when you're stuffed in a dorm and need to find new and inventive ways to prepare food with your savior, the microwave.

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2004-03-29, 6:28 PM #32
Run, I'm confused

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2004-03-29, 6:31 PM #33
Avenger, I'm confused about your confusion.
2004-03-29, 6:54 PM #34
my high school that I went to years ago is near a car dealership, with a mall beyond it a block away. I used to jump the fence every day and get a decent meal at the mall and then sneak back in. I couldn't drive my car b/c the lot was guarded, but i had to jump the wal;l, cut across the dealership, duck into the food court, and then back again. Lunch was an hour long, so I had plenty of time.

I'm adept at sneaking around, so I never got caught, exept once by this old security guard guy at the car lot. I thought he was going to sell me out to the school. Fortunately, he accepted bribes, and I was able to buy his silence for the school year with a 20.

The food on campus wasn't that bad but it wasnt that good either, but I'd rather jump the wall and get chinese food or mexican every day. It's just on campus, the food was very expensive for what it was, and you got a better meal for less elsewhere. $5 for a bare-bones hamburger (a piece of charcoalized meat in between two buns hardly counts as a burger) is a total ripoff.

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2004-03-29, 7:04 PM #35
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by blujay:
If they really want to fix obesity in schools, they should make everyone take an hour of gym, every day. Not only is it fun (well, I think it is), but the physical activity will burn off the calories that fried cafeteria foods and soft drinks put on. And after getting exercise every day, maybe some of them will want more of it after school, and become even healthier.

It doesn't take a dietican to figure that out.
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2004-03-29, 7:23 PM #36
As for your rights, the school can serve what ever they want. They can't force you to eat anything. I'm not sure that they should be able to take away food you brought yourself though, that doesn't seem right to me.

As for me, I'm lucky. We have a 45 minute lunch period. We have a place upstairs that sells food (overpriced if you ask me. Their idea of "pizza" is a tortilla shell with sauce and cheese. I suppose it could be considered a healthy food if it wasn't swimming in it's own grease). We also have mall across the street, a rec center next door with a food court, 7-11 is down the road, and Subway is just down the road beyond that.

Our school doesn't stop us from leaving the school grounds, so I can go out to my car at lunch and go anywhere I want. Though I generally take a sandwhich to school, or eat lunch at home (I have the mornings off every other day and eat lunch at home before I head to school in the afternoon).

As for forced PE classes, ours are up until Grade 11 where they become an elective (atleast, that was the case. It changed the year after I was in grade 11, thank God). I don't enjoy PE classes. I do participate to the best of my ablities, and I get decent marks. If I am told to run, I run for aslong as my legs will carry me, and then I slow down and jog. If we are playing Basketball, I play. I'm not good at it, but I participate. That being said, I much more enjoyed taking my last year of PE by correspondence because I was allowed to do my own physical acitivy at my own pace. I got to do what I wanted (included walking, bowling, some areobics). I like being able to do something on my own, rather than being told what to do. I'm not overweight, so I figure I'm doing okay.

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2004-03-29, 7:27 PM #37
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Avenger, I'm confused about your confusion.</font>


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2004-03-29, 9:20 PM #38
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To the "rights" issue, you're a minor and you don't really have any rights.
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Not only that but I don't remember anything about state facilities being required to provide unhealthy food.

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2004-03-30, 2:01 AM #39
I think its wrong, people should have their own choice in what they eat and what they do with life... i'm sick of governments creating laws to protect morons... who cares if a moron gets fat?

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2004-03-30, 2:10 AM #40
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Septic Yogurt:
I think its wrong, people should have their own choice in what they eat and what they do with life... i'm sick of governments creating laws to protect morons... who cares if a moron gets fat?

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Extremely well-said.

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