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Well if this doesn't make you mad...
2004-03-31, 10:56 AM #1
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Jumpins I'm not even American and even I want to kill someone for that.

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2004-03-31, 10:58 AM #2
I read about that this morning. It's sickening.

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2004-03-31, 10:59 AM #3
The really sad part is that there are Americans (only in name) who are just as happy about the situation.

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2004-03-31, 11:04 AM #4
I want to bomb Fallujah into oblivion right now......

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2004-03-31, 11:07 AM #5
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I want to bomb Fallujah into oblivion right now.....</font>

To perpetuate the violence? :/
Man, some people...

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2004-03-31, 11:17 AM #6
Evad, the violence is going on even without our retaliation. Don't try any of this bull**** reasoning that we should just sit on our hands while civilians are killed because if we retaliate it will only escalate the violence in that town. IT CAN'T GET ANY MORE ESCALATED IN THAT TOWN! It is beyond me why the american occupation force tolerates the attacks against civilians, iraqi or american. You **** with civilians, you should die.

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2004-03-31, 11:21 AM #7
So Bush and his military should die?
When a government decides to go forth and act militarily against another country, history shows us that there is a 100% chance that civilians, including children, will die. People in the defensive country don't really like that.
He ****ed with them. They are deciding to go forth and act militarily against America any way they can. :/ Do you blame them? I don't.

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2004-03-31, 11:23 AM #8
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth Evad:
So Bush and his military should die?
When a government decides to go forth and act militarily against another country, history shows us that there is a 100% chance that civilians, including children, will die. People in the defensive country don't really like that.
He ****ed with them. They are deciding to go forth and act militarily against America any way they can. :/ Do you blame them? I don't.

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Precisely. Can't say I'm surprised this has happened.


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2004-03-31, 11:24 AM #9
Its one thing to go through with these attacks. It's another to mutilate the dead the hang the bodies and show them off.

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2004-03-31, 11:25 AM #10
Well, I imagine it must be more satisfying that way.

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2004-03-31, 11:29 AM #11
Eh, if they don't want us there, we should leave. Now.

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2004-03-31, 11:32 AM #12
Or what they are gonna say... "We won the war we're staying here... you don't like it well prepare to meet Allah."

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2004-03-31, 11:32 AM #13
Retaliating may be perpetuating the violence, but they won't stop until we do something about it. If you've taken economy, it's like an inelastic curve. If we leave them alone or if we bomb the hell out of them, they will still attack us just about as much. So the best thing to do it bomb them to hell so they can't do it anymore. Leaving Osama alone wasn't a very safe idea, so we chased after him and took out his country and now look, no more attacks on our soil yet! We saved ourselves, and took out baddies at the same time. How is this bad, especially when it's in the Truman and Eisenhower Doctrines?

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2004-03-31, 11:36 AM #14
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">When a government decides to go forth and act militarily against another country, history shows us that there is a 100% chance that civilians, including children, will die. </font>
Some civilians will die, whither intentional or mistakenly, but your saying that every civilian will die and that's bull****.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">People in the defensive country don't really like that.
He ****ed with them.</font>
A civilian dieing from shaprnel who was walking in front of a bombing target is totally different than intentionally blowing up a defenseless civilian vehicle(even if they were completely stupid for going out without military escort) and then parading the charred bodies around like prize deer heads.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">They are deciding to go forth and act militarily against America any way they can.</font>
It ceases to be guerilla warfare when you purposely hit civilian targets. Then it becomes terrorism. Killing civilians = bad. Killing civilians intentionally and then doing with the bodies what they did = just plain evil. what part of that don't you understand?

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Do you blame them? I don't.</font>
You have some serious issues you need to deal with if you applaud people who kill civilians and then celebrate by prancing around the body.

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2004-03-31, 11:39 AM #15
Yeah but when is anyone going to learn that, "If you don't leave us alone and stop bombing us we will continue to kill Americans", means that if you don't leave thier country and stop bombing them, they are going to continue to kill Americans?
You know, America gave Sadaam and ultimatum. 'They' have given America an ultimatum.
Why is it so hard to understand thier actions?
Why???????????

Remember, if 'they' had a $350,000,000,000US/yr. offense/defense budget, you'd have stealth bombers dropping bombs on your head right this second. These people take the weapons they have at hand, and thier culture, and use it.
You know. Just like the Americans do.
Why is it so hard to understand thier actions?
Why???????????

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">You have some serious issues you need to deal with if you applaud people who kill civilians and then celebrate by prancing around the body.</font>

Man. Obviously this is not a good thing. It's disgusting that any human being would act this way.
Do I blame them? No.

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2004-03-31, 11:41 AM #16
HOW can AMERICANS be HAPPY about this? The mere POSSIBILITY disgusts me! Of course, I guess there are some really sickening minds out there. Kinda sad [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif].
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Posted by Kieran Horn:
I want to bomb Fallujah into oblivion right now......</font>
I kinda do as well, but I know it probably wouldn't do any good overall. Of course, If I were to bomb ANYTHING right now, it'd prolly be the terrorist HQ.
And I do agree that involving civilians will get your @#$ blown off. There's absolutely no right nor value in it. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/mad.gif]

Old news: Terrorists are just PLAIN MESSED UP!

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2004-03-31, 11:42 AM #17
Because we're the good guys, duh.

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2004-03-31, 11:43 AM #18
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kieran Horn:
Some civilians will die, whither intentional or mistakenly, but your saying that every civilian will die and that's bull****.</font>


That's not what he said. He said there was a certain chance that some of them would die.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">You have some serious issues you need to deal with if you applaud people who kill civilians and then celebrate by prancing around the body.
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He never said he applauded them, simply that he understands their reason for doing it. While I'm at it, I'd also like to point out the overwhelmingly high number of "good americans" who would support, as they like to say it, nuking the hell out of all arab countries. That is, just to remind you that there's sick people on both sides of the map.

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2004-03-31, 11:44 AM #19
Some days I know this sounds awful but I just want to drop a nuke in the middle east and end all of this once and for all... I mean no more conflict if the average temperature there is 400 000 (aprox) degress.

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2004-03-31, 11:45 AM #20
...as I was saying.

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2004-03-31, 11:47 AM #21
LOL!! Yeah. Nice.

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2004-03-31, 11:51 AM #22
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Yeah but when is anyone going to learn that, "If you don't leave us alone and stop bombing us we will continue to kill Americans", means that if you don't leave thier country and stop bombing them, they are going to continue to kill Americans?
You know, America gave Sadaam and ultimatum. 'They' have given America an ultimatum.
Why is it so hard to understand thier actions?
Why???????????
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First, we don't bomb them on a daily basis. There was one night of bombing in Baghdad and THEY have continued to bomb american troops and civilians and they keep getting away with it so they keep doing it. So we are just supposed to run home with our tails behind our legs? We are just supposed to let them do whatever they want? You don't think that Iraq will turn into a ruthless dictatorship again if we leave now? God forbid we actually have to work and shed blood sweat and tears to make someone else's life and the lives of further generations bearable! There isn't a magic button we can press to make the evil of the world go away and make everyone's life better.

I understand why they are doing what they are doing but I also understand what they are doing is beyond wrong. There is absolutely no excuse for intentionally killing civilians.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Remember, if 'they' had a $350,000,000,000US/yr. offense/defense budget, you'd have stealth bombers dropping bombs on your head right this second.
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And we haveall those things and we don't and we could get away with it too. But we don't. That's what seperates the good and honorable people that serve the military and put their lives on the line and the psychoatic killers that knowingly target and murder innocent civilians and those that support them.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">You know. Just like the Americans do.
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No, we don't and how dare you say we do. The american military has some of the most restrictive rules of engagement codes on the planet.

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2004-03-31, 11:58 AM #23
Codes like, "Do as we say or we'll bomb you."

When America bombed someone, if they bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back...
You know. Kinda like how you want to retaliate against them for telling you that they were going to kill American civilians for the past 10 years so America sends civilians over there thinking that they shouldn't get killed.
They said they were going to kill American civilians. Why are you surprised that they killed American civilians?????????????????????

So you see, if they had $350,000,000,000/yr. to spend on bombs and planes, you's have someone bombing you right now while someone you know would be bombing them right now.

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2004-03-31, 11:59 AM #24
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">That's not what he said. He said there was a certain chance that some of them would die.
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Yeah I noticed that. I realized it wasn't correct so I went back to edit before anyone read it because it was wrong. I apologize.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I'd also like to point out the overwhelmingly high number of "good americans" who would support, as they like to say it, nuking the hell out of all arab countries. That is, just to remind you that there's sick people on both sides of the map.
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Of course, and those people need to get **** kicked out of them. There are people on both sides that are out of touch with reality.

And even by saying "I don't blame them" doesn't mean you would go out and celebrate with them, it means you don't understand just how wrong it is. It's one thing to understand why someone did something, but a different thing to not blame them.

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2004-03-31, 12:07 PM #25
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">From one of the videos:
...the bodies were pulled out of the car, some of them were still alive, set on fire, kicked, dragged through the streets, hacked to bits, parts of the bodies hung from poles on the roadside, generally treated in a way that to any Muslim would... is just a horrendous thing to do to a body. Muslims have deep respect for the dead.</font>
I'm not sure if that's relevant, but I just wanted to stop any Muslim-bashing before it started.
It also said that there were some authorities killed, who's nationality has not been revealed at this time.

Another video said that Fallujah was the most violent anti-American city in Iraq. So why in the world would the Americans want to go through the city, especially without military escorts? That just doesn't make any sense.


For those of you who think we're just as bad, I suggest getting ahold of some of the military footage that's been released. It clearly shows firsthand that we target military personel, while trying our best to avoid civillians when possible.

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2004-03-31, 12:09 PM #26
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DogSRoOL:
For those of you who think we're just as bad, I suggest getting ahold of some of the military footage that's been released. It clearly shows firsthand that we target military personel, while trying our best to avoid civillians when possible.

</font>


Do you honestly think they would release any footage that made the military look bad?



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2004-03-31, 12:09 PM #27
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Codes like, "Do as we say or we'll bomb you."
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do you honestly think that's one of the rules? there is no reasonable person that would think that.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">When America bombed someone, if they bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back, then America would've bombed them back, then they would've bombed America back...
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This is where you part with reality. First off, when Americans are killed, very little is ever done to retaliate(Afghanistan was a rare thing). Seeing this, they just keep doing it because all they want is blood and they can get away with killing our soldiers and iraqi citizens with little retaliation.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">You know. Kinda like how you want to retaliate against them for telling you that they were going to kill American civilians for the past 10 years so America sends civilians over there thinking that they shouldn't get killed.
They said they were going to kill American civilians. Why are you surprised that they killed American civilians?????????????????????
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I'm not suprised, but I am suprised you are trying to justify the intentional killing of civilians.

Also Evad, you may not have known this but you can be pissed about the war in Iraq while being pissed at these psychos at the same time.

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2004-03-31, 12:12 PM #28
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kieran Horn:
Also Evad, you may not have known this but you can be pissed about the war in Iraq while being pissed at these psychos at the same time.

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Yeah you can.. doesn't mean you have to be.

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2004-03-31, 12:16 PM #29
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Another video said that Fallujah was the most violent anti-American city in Iraq. So why in the world would the Americans want to go through the city, especially without military escorts? That just doesn't make any sense.
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They were incredibly stupid for doing that.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Do you honestly think they would release any footage that made the military look bad?
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Of course not. But if we started bombing towns and massacreing people, there is no way the military could keep it under wraps. If they somehow managed to blackmail an American news agency from showing it, the BBC would get a hold of it.

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2004-03-31, 12:17 PM #30
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Flexor:
Yeah you can.. doesn't mean you have to be.

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I just wanted to make sure because it didn't look like Evad knew.

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2004-03-31, 12:22 PM #31
LOL!!! No I'm not. IMO, you are just blind to what America means to every where else but the west. Read some alternative news sources. Read the Egyptian news. Even if you take the western new and the eastern news and meet in the middle, you'd think both sides were ****ed.

Go and live in another country with another culture for a couple of years. I would bet 99 - 1 that you would hate America too.
Remember, as I do, that these people have the EXACT same propagana showing on TV and printed in thier newspapers as you do except the names are reversed. 'Over there' Bush is a terrorist that attacked unprovoked. Over here, they are terrorists that attacked unprovoked.

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2004-03-31, 12:25 PM #32
Well, it's very easy for us in our Western democracies to sit back and blame America for all the problems in the world (which seems to be the popular thing to do these days).

I personally do not fall into that camp. Sure, America is nowhere near perfect. Neither is any country in the world. Deal with it. The world will not conform to utopian ideals anytime soon.

I just find it quite unbelievably backwards that some people will go on tirades about how "America is totally evil, and these Middle-Eastern countries are really the victims of American aggression, and that America simply "causes" these terrorists to hate us westerners because of their war mongering." Meanwhile they sit at home on their expensive PC's with internet connections, reaping the benefits of democracy, standing up for a region which is much more brutally corrupt than America, and for whom "tolerance" is an unthinkable concept. As well, a region in which their tyrant dictators use hate, blame, religion, and martyrdom to distract the population from their own total corruption. But of course, it's ok for these countries to use terrorism because they are always the "victims", never the aggressors...riiight...

Oh yes, I'm sure the Islamic fundamentalists would stop hating America if they pulled right out of Iraq...but then they'd hate them for being in Afghnistan, they'd hate them for being a power in the Eastern Hemisphere, they'd hate them for being a power in the Western Hemisphere. America will be hated simply because they are the dominant world power. End of Story.

Why doesn't America just stop military funding altogehter, and I'm sure the world would be a much safer place. I'm just glad that America is the dominant power in the world, even with all their shortcomings, but that is my own personal opinion ( Jeez, and I'm Canadian). All of you America bashers have your opinions as well, and I respect your right to say them...funny how we take freedom of speech for granted.

I'll bet if some of you Anti-americans were Iraqi citizens under the Saddam Govt., and you tried to voice your displeasure regarding something like freedom of speech, I'm sure they would have showed you a "tolerant" approach to answering your concerns.
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2004-03-31, 12:28 PM #33
*Ruthven swoops down in his personal Death Glider and flattens Fallujah and all the bad smelling barbaric denizens that populate it.*
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2004-03-31, 12:34 PM #34
I don't think anyone is 'standing up for' killers who kill American citizens. Or has Bush brainwashed you into "Either you're with us or you're against us."?

I certainly wouldn't stand up for America until I got the straight story from the government.
The American government has been know to overthrow government covertly by militarily supporting rebels/local terrorists and criminals just so that it can make a few bucks.

On the other hand I do sit here at my comp. debating back and forth with you guys, thanks to American bullying and covert tactics in the world politcal theatre.
I mean, where would the US be if it hadn't taken over the Panama government just so that it could build and control the canal?

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2004-03-31, 12:37 PM #35
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Flexor:
Do you honestly think they would release any footage that made the military look bad?</font>
So what are you saying? The footage that has been released shows us making efforts to avoid civillian casualties.


[edit: I should mention that I'm not simply talking about news coverage.]

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2004-03-31, 12:45 PM #36
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth Evad:
Why is it so hard to understand thier actions?
Why???????????

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Because quite frankly, the majority of Americans don't know what's actually going on in Irag, and those who do don't give a ****.

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2004-03-31, 12:49 PM #37
That's what I figured.

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2004-03-31, 12:49 PM #38
Contribute something meaningful or don't ****ing post. Thanks

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2004-03-31, 12:54 PM #39
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kieran Horn:
who kill civilians and then celebrate by prancing around the body.</font>


I'm curious as to what you think about people in the U.S. military (particularly soldiers stationed on Navy air carries) putting all sorts of disrespectful messages on the bombs they dropped on Afghanistan, knowing that killing of innocent civilians at some point was inevitable? Do even Taliban foot soldiers deserve this treatment? Some of them never had a chance, and in a war dominated by one side, don't you think it's sick not to show some respect to ending the lives of many (some of which were fathers, teachers), no matter the fact that they fought for the wrong cause?
2004-03-31, 12:58 PM #40
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">LOL!!! No I'm not. IMO, you are just blind to what America means to every where else but the west. Read some alternative news sources. Read the Egyptian news. Even if you take the western new and the eastern news and meet in the middle, you'd think both sides were ****ed.
Go and live in another country with another culture for a couple of years. I would bet 99 - 1 that you would hate America too.
Remember, as I do, that these people have the EXACT same propagana showing on TV and printed in thier newspapers as you do except the names are reversed. 'Over there' Bush is a terrorist that attacked unprovoked. Over here, they are terrorists that attacked unprovoked.
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wow. I'm speachless. Eygpt has declared that they do not like America at all and I don't even think they have free press. And I know both sides of the spectrum are messed up. There are some things Bush has done and I've thought "My god, are you really that stupid?". But you are trying to say that Bush is as bad if not worse than those Iraqis that killed those civilians and not only did you use bogus stuff to try and prove it, but you're just plain wrong. That's not how it is.

And if moving away from America would make you hate it, then the entire state of Utah should be having daily riots in the street because at least 40% of all people who live here have lived in another country for at least two years. But that's not the case. In fact, Utah is on of the most rabid supporters of Bush and trust me, it drives me nuts.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">*Ruthven swoops down in his personal Death Glider and flattens Fallujah and all the bad smelling barbaric denizens that populate it.*
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Yes, I know doing that wouldn't be practical and would be overkill. I'm just sick of us not doing anything against these attacks and at the same time people saying we are tyrannts.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I don't think anyone is 'standing up for' killers who kill American citizens.
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"I don't blame them"

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">The American government has been know to overthrow government covertly by militarily supporting rebels/local terrorists and criminals just so that it can make a few bucks.
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most of the time it was because we didn't want a government to fall to soviet power, but we were always screwed in the end because we were scared and relatively nice

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">On the other hand I do sit here at my comp. debating back and forth with you guys, thanks to American bullying and covert tactics in the world politcal theatre. I mean, where would the US be if it hadn't taken over the Panama government just so that it could build and control the canal?</font>
OMG! you just don't stop. The internet and computers have nothing to do with any government other than DoD used a early bersion to communicate within themself. And taking over isn't picking up a contract that the French failed to finish.
I'm more than willing to talk with you Evad, but you aren't being reasonable. I noticed this extremism in another thread. I don't know why you are like this, but you need to start reeling it in.

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