jeidkirby ive scored so many girls by that approach... but there were usually girls i didnt know before that day....

Of course you did Snoop. You get the girls drunk first. Anyone could get a girl if they did that. I thought that was common knowledge.

He's not trying to 'score' a girl. He's trying to build a relationship.

BTW, Kieran wins.

Ok first and foremost I dont think it's fully on her. I think there are TWO sides to this story.

If you all didn't read she had asked him to try out for the play and ask friends to join too and he turned around and said i'm not your ***** and she said yeah you are.

Ok right there its BOTH there bads. He snapped at her, when she really wasnt doing anything wrong, so she got pissed and snapped back.

Their problem is they fight fire with fire (apparently both very passionate people) instead of difusing the situation they heighten it. Its two ego's clashing. Something all of us are guilty of from time to time.

But I agree with what someone else said, even if it's true that you all DID seem to have feelings for each other, unless u all learn how to react to each other better its NOT worth getting back on that rollercoaster. It's just going to continue to hurt you both.

Unless you all learn how to be more civil with one another which would have to be an effort on BOTH sides. since BOTH sides seem to have caused the trouble. And only if both are willing to take that step will you all be able to work. If not you all will continue to clash. Either way it'd be something you'd have to discuss with her.

Like you already said you dont feel like putting the effort in, and you have every right not too. So since you dont, just back away and let it go. Sometimes it's a hard thing to do if you still have feelings for someone, but if you arent going to put in effort (or if she's not willing to put in effort as well) then it's never going to work out, and it will forever be a rollercoaster and just wont mix. Simple as that.

Enough with the blame game already, both people were wrong. It happens, that's life and a part of relationships sometimes. The real relationships that last are the ones where people learn to get past that. If it doesn't happen then it doesnt happen and o well it wasnt meant to be. on to the next, you all had your good times and your good memories but that's in the past.

Just do what you feel is best for you. End of story

gettin her drunk and lettting her feelings come out might help wiht no making a move (although that is no fun)

serioulsy alcohol brings out a lot of good in people... im drinking right now and i feel happy

kieran dosnt 'win' yoshi its all a matter of opinion and preference... if this kid nailed her im sure it put some closure on the 'relationship' and who knows how it would pan out from there

well as twisted just said being civial helps a shiznat load... i've been with my better half now for about a year (actually a year in 2 weeks) and it could never of worked at all unless we both tried

Listen to him, he's in a relationship for over a year now. Apparently they are doing something right

No, Keiran wins. Getting someone drunk is NOT a good way to start a relationship, and neither is 'nailing' her on the first date.

Yes, yes, Kieran, I suck. However: much of this was before you had given me ANY advice. Furthermore, I thought it would be pretty weird if I suddenly took a polar opposite with everyone I already knew. But then again, why should I just stay some tool at their disposal and take that sort of crap.

I've made up my mind and I won't invite her. If she really does want anything to happen in the future, she can make the first move; I stand firm.

Oh, and the party is going to be amazing not by merit of alcohol but instead Finnish disco... <.< >.>

Trust me, we can tell.

Happydud--have my manbabies? OMG WE CAN GET DRUNKZORZ THEN HAVE SEX BECAUSE IT R COOL LOLZ ROFFLE.

Alright enough said. Finally they both are going to let things go. Gris it seemed that you and her were rocky anyways, so good choice.

My ego can beat up your ego.

I wasn't angery at the events you went through because I figured as much. I'm pissed that you even had to ask this question.

And you never answered my question. What about that girl from camp? What happened there? (actually, PM me that answer to that. I'm going to be gone for a couple days and this is my last post).

Snoop: Drinking is great for one night stands. But it's not wise to go up to a girl who is drunk and ask for her number or start making out on the pretense of starting a relationship because the next morning she may be thinking "OMG! what was I thinking!? I'm never drinking again! Damn beer goggles!" Erm...wait...were you talking about kissing someone who had already known for awhile? It might be a different story then.

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we have had our differences in the past, but I agree fully with that.

Great-- get her drunk, shag her, and go to jail for rape when she sobers up and realizes what you've done. Sounds like a hell of a good plan to me.