Oh god...

Turned on an hungry at the same time, that might be a bad thing...

"Honey, why are you chewing on my boob?"

You stayed up all night cooking that gem didn't you?

Actually theres this hate PETA website out there somewhere.

And I just genuinely HATE PETA.

Anyone that steals dogs out of peoples yards, puts them to sleep, and then claims to be animal advocates needs to go die.

Not to mention they pay convicted felons to speak on their behalf and are advocates of violtent solutions towards people who have different opinions than theirs.

ok i need a female volunteer...

you have to like steak... and you have to not mind being filmed eating a steak... totally naked... you will be... not me... unless you request that i join you in being nude

I like vegetarians- most of the animals I eat are vegetarian.

If you honestly think about it, isn't eating vegitables just as bad as eating meat? The only difference is that the Animal squeels when you kill it, and that make's PETA's conscience afraid.

JediKirby

Those last two posts are classic!

I hereby decree that we shall only eat animals that don't make noise when you kill them.

Let's see, we have jellyfish...and...um...giraffes maybe?

How about fish? Fish have no ability to speak.

Someone could genetically engineer cows that don't make noise.

I other words... duct tape their mouths shut.

Genetically duct tape their mouths closed.

We're too redneck for all that.

If you can't Duct it....

If you honestly think about it, isn't eating meat just as bad as eating people? The only difference is that the person screams when you kill it, and that makes your conscience afraid.

I just honestly thought about it and ... NO!

Last time I checked, Cow's weren't the sentient being.

Yes, eating people affects your conscience, eating meat does not, therefore, it is not the same. GG your argument.

Mad cow?

Sadistic lemur?

What?

I congratulate you on being the most ignorant person I have run into today. Some people have a conscience about eating animals. Several of my friends have nothing to do whatsoever with punk/underground music, yet are vegan or vegetarian.

Music can be a unifying and driving force for people who share similar ideals. What's so bad about incorporating it into your lifestyle?

Now after reading the rest of the thread and being on topic, I don't necessarily support PETA 100%. I agree with them on their stance against cruelty towards animals (who wouldn't?) but they still do some underhanded/contradictory things.

Ever seen what rabbits look like after they've gone through a combine harvester?

Guess what, thats on the vegitables you buy at the store.

There was a comic for the longest time on our refridgerator that was something like that. Some guy was telling his vegan buddy that scientists had engineered a cow without a head/brain and that it was cool to eat it because it wasn't really alive. It was hilarious. If I can find a copy of it, I'll post it.

Tofu is quite tasty, actually. I'll bet that half of the people on this forum have never actually tried it (not necessarily referring to the author of the above quote). As with most foods, it's mostly in how you prepare it.



For every Dr. that you find that will support your point of view, I could post 10 that don't. Many vegetarians and vegans are quite healthy, and a simple google search will provide you with the necessary facts. I think many people tend to forget that many vegetarians (not all) continue to eat dairy products, thus receiving their vitamin b12, etc. Vegans have a harder time with staying healthy, but it's quite possible with a little discipline.



Have you ever looked into prices for vegan products? Not everyone can afford to be 100% vegan, and in many cases, it's virtually impossible. She sounds as if she's simply aspiring to be vegan, and I really don't see the point here.



Would you eat corn out of your feces and drink your own urine, if you were starving to death? I would, and I would guess that most people would eat meat if they really had to. Many people have eaten humans in similar circumstances.



PETA is a biased organization. As with many organizations, they'll play the game by any means necessary. Even if it means supporting thin claims and biased studies.



Indeed. Humans have the ability to actually choose what they will and will not eat, and still maintain a healthy lifestyle. That's one of the key points here, in my opinion.



Welcome to the world of factory farming. Even people who want to continue eating meat should become aware on what is in there food. Even before I became a vegetarian, I was making an effort to stick with organic meats and dairy products. A simple google search for "factory farming" will start many of you on your journey to good health.



Indeed. It doesn't taste much like meat, but great, nonetheless. If you really want to try something vegan that tastes almost exactly like meat, try the Mock Chicken recipe in PETA's "Vegetarian Starter Kit" (which is free on their website). I incorporate mock meats into many of my dishes.



Most vegetarians don't go around announcing that they're vegetarians. Many of my friends and none of my co-workers know that I don't eat meat, despite the fact that I never eat any on my lunch break. I know many vegetarians that keep it to themselves as well. However, if someone starts asking me questions, I'm always glad to explain things.

As far as PETA goes; I think they do more good than bad. I'm opposed to factory farming and animal cruelty, as are many people. Not everyone gives a rats *** about what's in there foods or how many animals are butchered each year, but many of us aren't apathetic in regards to our health, and to the future of animals. It all comes down to philosophical differences, in the end. It's strange to see so many false generalizations, though.

Yes? It's unfortunate, but there's nothing I can really do to stop it. Wash your vegetables before you eat them. Or grow your own. We grow our own tomatoes and green peppers.

I'm not a vegetarian either, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.

Who here has seen the South Park episode (its one of the few I've seen in the last 6 or so seasons) where the retarded chicken is walking around and the chicken farmers capture it and are ready to kill all the chickens in the room, so they turn on a TV with some hypnotic thing on and the chickens are watching it and the buzz saw comes out and slices all the heads off. Yeah. That's funny.

Err, I never waid all vegans and such are vegan because of punk music. I just said the kid I know is vegan only because of music. And yes, someting IS wrong with you if you live your life according to music.

all i have to say is

rspca/aspca/spca.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PETA

Ok, so let me get this straight. Every single vegetarian in the world has it out for you? They want to either convert you, or kill you? Quite interesting.

You also mention the fact that you have never met a vegetarian or vegan that hasn't tried to convert you.

I am a vegetarian. I have many friends that are. You know what? We don't go around flaunting it. We don't go up to people and say "GUESS WHAT, MAGGOT?? I'M A VEGE-FRELLING-TARIAN, AND YOU AREN'T! BURRRRN!" No. If people invite me over for dinner, then I tell them that I don't eat meat. But otherwise.. I don't make it known. Granted, a main reason for this is so I don't have to explain to every single person why I'm a vegetarian, then go on to defend my reasons, and then prove to them that it actually can be healthy, and yes I get my protein.

Now, some vegetarians and vegans will go around flaunting it, and in my mind they're no better than Jehovah's Witness. If people ask me, and genuinely want to know why I'm a vegatarian, I'll tell them. And you know what? On several occasions, I've converted people. Not by accosting them on the street, shoving facts down their throat, and saying "EAT MEAT AND DIE," but by explaining my thoughts and reasons when they ask.

I would not be at all surprised if you knew several vegetarians, who you didn't know were. Then you fundamental theory on us is flawed! You knew vegetarians who didn't try to push it on you! OH NOS!

Oh, and one more thing. Your last sentance is just plain dumb. That's like saying "Communism doesn't bother me, but communists do." ^_-

Rob: "Ever seen what rabbits look like after they've gone through a combine harvester?

Guess what, thats on the vegitables you buy at the store."

Yeah.. I guess. If for some reason, you have been brought up to believe that vegetables == animals. You know, it's completely irrelevant that they're in completely different Kingdoms(?)... One of these can think, move, breathe, and have emotions. The other just kind of sits there and.. well.. exists.

I always hated this argument. "How many tomatos did you kill to make that salad, vege-freak??"
The argument itself is fundamentally flawed. It's like comparing apples to bicycles. Vegetables can't feel pain, you can't be cruel to a vegetable.

Some people say "Well, if you're a vegetarian, why do you eat Tofu/Otherfakemeat?? Trying to make up for it?"
No... A lot of great meals are made with meat. These same meals can be made using fake meat, allowing vegetarians and vegans to eat them as well. Eating a bocaburger doesn't say "Damn.. I wish I could eat a real burger." It can mean "Well.. the people I'm at dinner with chose this place, so instead of making a huge fuss and forcing all x number of people to go to a different resteraunt, I'll eat this vegetarian substitute" or "I'm hungry. This is in the fridge. *nuke* *masticate* *swallow*"

On the 'hardcore punk straightedge vegan' thing:
You can be whatever the hell you want to be. A lot of straighedge people enjoy the same hardcore punk or rock or whatever as others do, they just prefer to do it without drugs and alcohol, etc. I know a lot of people who are heavily into the punk scene who are vegan and vegetarian. Don't make huge, sweeping generalizations about the punk community like "They're all druggies who like loud music and screaming." That's not entirely true. Sure, some of it is.

Some punk is people with more metal content in their body than flesh, listening to a guitar, a bass, drums, and a guy screaming "F%*&" over and over again into the mic, complete with dyed hair and mohawks, who go around stealing and smashing and causing general anarchy. But there are a lot of others who try to get people to go out and vote, or at least pay attention to the political situation. There are people who are genuinely concerned about /something/, be it animal cruelty, politics, the economy, technology, racial issues, etc, and who all come together with their love of a type of music. These people don't have to be the straightedge type, but more often than not are. They're just trying to get people to not be content with their lives, not be content with that they're told, not just exist. (like the vegetable..)

Often, this message is incorporated into the music. They live by their lifestyle, and their lifestyle influences their music, and they live by their music. Music == lifestyle.

People joke about eating vegetarians and all and you know, it's all fine and dandy. I can take a joke about my lifestyle, and laugh about it. PETA == People Who Eat Tasty Animals. That got a laugh out of me the first time I saw it.
I'm not defending myself, and trying to convert you all with this speech. I'm just sick of people going around, making large and sweeping generalizations about people, communities, lifestyles that they don't really know anything about.

So, in summary: Think before you post. Do you really hate vegetarians that much? What did they do to you? Have they (as a group) murdered your parents, and burned your siblings?


Bah.

[edit- Oh, and the R/A/SPCA and PETA are completely different types of organizations... SPCA is an animal rescue thing, and PETA is animal rights. Again, like comparing apples to bicycles.

However, not all stuff that extremists like PETA are against people eating can feel pain either. IE: milk, cheese and chicken eggs. Now, a fertilized egg that'd be one thing but people eat unfertilized eggs. An egg yolk can't feel pain, you can't be cruel to something that isn't alive in the first place.

And certainly cows don't feel pain when they're milked.

So why are these things condemned so much? Tons of people act like it's just as bad as torturing a pig before slaughter. (Btw, I don't support torture, I don't see why it's that hard for people to just raise them and then kill them humanely ie: fast and painless.)



Communism can't bother you if there are no communists, thusly it's not the ideals that get to you, it's the people who use the ideals and force them onto others.

Vegans don't eat anything that comes from animals (Eggs, milk, etc.)

I'm not vegan, so and I agree with you. I don't see the harm in eating unfertilized chicken eggs, or milk, etc.

Whether or not you think it's cruel to eat animals, there's still 50 steaks sitting in a freezer at your local supermarket. It makes no difference if you eat one or not. The animal's already been killed, and not by you. If you choose not to eat it, what's that going to do? Either someone else will eat the steak, or it will expire.

Actually it does. If fifty people go to the supermarket to buy steak, fifty steaks are bought, and then the supermarket orders fifty more.

If 10 of those people were vegetarian, 40 people go to the supermarket and buy steak. 10 are left. That fifty steak shipment can go somewhere else, saving the lives (for a little while) of fifty more cows.

I'm not sure how well I explained it, and it becomes more obvious the further along you go.

I've tasted it, prepared many different ways. And several different types of tofu. It tasted horrible no matter what I blended it with and no matter how I made it.

save the animals... eat a vegan

... what?

Just remember kids.

Vegan girls can't swallow.

Cannibals on the other hand...

Milk and cheese come from dairy cows that live on factory farms. These animals are treated very cruely, in the minds of many. The case is the same with chicken eggs. Eggs come from chickens that live on factory farms. If you aren't aware of what goes on in a factory farm, or how they treat their animals, check out PETA's website or do a Google search (there are even videos all around the web for those of you that would like more evidence). If you folks do your research and are disgusted with the methods that these farms use, and with what is actually in meat and dairy products, you should look into organic alternatives, as a start. While not perfect, they're far healthier, and safer to eat. Newsworld International (NWI) recently did a story on organic farming, and if you get the chance, you should check it out. Vegans don't eat dairy products for the reasons listed above. Many vegetarians do, although they would technically be considered "ovo-lacto vegetarians" (milk and egg products), which is the most popular form of vegetarianism. The problem that many vegans have with organic farms is the fact that the animals, although generally treated more humanely, are indeed killed and used for food, at some point. Do you think that organic farmers sell these chickens off as pets after they stop producing eggs, or cows when they stop producing milk? While milking a cow, or taking a chickens eggs may not be cruel, in and of itself, what eventually happens to the cows and chickens just might be (depends on ones definition of cruel). Personally, I don't drink milk (I find that soy milk is much tastier), but I do eat organic cheese and eggs (although I strive to end this when it's more realistic for me).



I dislike bananas (although I love them sundried), does that mean that it's a horrible food? I enjoy tofu, as do many people. I don't really see the point in continuing with the tofu discussion.

As I stated before, it all comes down to philosophical matters. Many vegans and vegetarians believe that in a day and age when it's no longer necessary to kill and consume animals (or possibly even their bi-products), that it's inhumane to do so. I don't really see how anyone can think that this stance has no validity. There are as many different reasons to not eat meat as there are to eat meat, and I fail to see why a valid point of view and/or lifestyle is so contraversial.

Not all the ones in the world dudders, just the one's I've met. (As to my last sentence... I don't think vegetarianism is wrong, but most of the vegetarians I've met are jerks.) And yes, you could be right that I know some vegetarians who do not advertise, but I can't really make judgements on theoretical people can I? :p

In conclusion, I like meat, if I couldn't eat meat, I wouldn't have a problem with being a veggie, but I sure wouldn't go around telling people about it.

That kid came into school today with a bunch of flyers that said "Why choose vegan?" I almost punched him in the face -_-. He is in most of my classes, so I have to put up with this crap all day. I eat meat, but I don't tell everyone the benefits of eating meat, and I don't pass out flyers!!!! But he's 'hardcore straightedge vegan' so I guess it's okay