You brought it up yourself with a broad generalization saying that most here probably haven't tasted it, thereby implying that we are therefore uninformed and not able to comment on it. If you didn't want it brought up, why did you say it in the first place? Your absolutely right, its a matter of personal taste. Just like meat.

I think You're all misunderstanding something about SAJN's "friend." There are many people who will do things, just because it's popular (listen to punk, dress like a punk, say they're gay [it's true, people at my school have done it] and say they're vegans, as well as many other things TV says are popular). My school is full of false people like this.

SAJN, is this kid doing this because he believes it, or because he thinks it will get him some kind of popularity?

My guess is because he is a punk rock listening attention whore. Last year he ate meat, all of a sudden over the summer, he becomes this "H@RDKKK()R3 STRAYTEDGE VEEGIN!" I've never seen anyone advertise them being vegan more then this person. That's why I said anyone who lives by music, needs help. It seems that the kids that mostly let music affect their lives are the kids that listen to Punk rock or rap. Rap music is obvious...with all the hibbity-hop words and all that other garbage that I wont get into. Punk rock kids are all like "YEAH! DOWN WITH GOVERNMENT! MEAT IS MURDER!" or the whole "I'm a confused teenager, noone understand me!" Well not all of them, but a good majority of them in my school act like that, it's really annoying.

Yeah, Ok, he's a vegan for the attention. I hate kids like that.

I don't think it's just music. It's media in general. As I said, some idiots at my school pretended to be gay. This was right after "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" aired. Seriously, these kids are pathetic.

And I'm very suprised no one else in this thread picked up on this. You're obviously out of touch with teens today,

My initial response was to show that you were stating an opinion, not a fact (your opinion was presented as if it were a fact). I did this by showing that while you may think tofu "horrible", other people actually enjoy it. Honestly, me pointing out that some people like tofu was about as pointless and as obvious as you pointing out that you (some people) don't like it. Either way, I think that we're agreeing, in a weird sort of way. Our disagreement is simply semantics.



I'm sure that you and I aren't the only ones who picked up on the underlying point. While SAJN does (and many times does) have a valid point, he often seems to go a bit far. With SAJN, it's more often how he says things, not what he says. I was bothered by the whole straight-edge vegetarian punk trend while I was in high school (almost 8 years ago) as well. The point is that while many of these folks are simply seeking attention and trying to belong, some of them will grow up to realize that this so-called trend is actually a worthwhile issue. Almost all of these people that I went to school with grew up only to begin eating meat again, and to ditch their teenage angst music, and even trade in their skateboards for cars. People go through phases, some of them strange, and maybe even ignorant, but this particular phase has some validity in the minds of many.

The thing is, being vegan and eating meat both have there ups and downs. Both are about equal. Eating meat is just the easier way to get the nutrition you need. Since most people aren't vegan, vegans usually have to spend more time preparing a meal or they have to ask alot more questions when they go out to eat. Okay, killing animals is bad, they get treated bad, right...this can be proven, etc...etc... But thats the way life is. PETA has to be the most ignorant THING I know of. It's like they care about the animals, but they care about PETA even more. if that makes any sense. I don't care if you eat meat or if you eat corn all day, just don't advertise it. (This post not aimed at anyone, just basically laying out my thoughts)

P.S. 8th Continent Soy Milk > *

I have tasted it, it is not very good.

Good point. I know how animals are treated on farms, although I never really made the connection between milk + eggs --> cows + chickens --> farms <-- meat animals. (if THAT made sense you get a prize.)

I'm not going to stop drinking Milk, just because it and other dairy products are a huge part of my vegetarian diet, but that is a good point.

And SAJN- I guess I assumed that this 'h@rdc0re punk r0x0r' was more like the people I know.. who are actually informed. (somewhat, moreso than this guy sounds, at least.)

And so... *bedtime*

Wait, did I just get insulted, or agreed with.

the fact that you can't tell says alot about your debateing skills. even though it is written.

Rationalize that and get a prize.
"Sure it's morally wrong, but I eat it anyways so bugger off"

What the hell was that, Alpha? He was most likely joking. The fact that you can't tell says a lot about your sarcasm-detecting skills, even though it is written.

People need to back off of SAJN. He makes good points. He takes them too far sometimes, but the basic point he's trying to make still stands. People need to focus more on that, and less on the extremeness of his posts. I usually have a very easy time seeing what he's trying to say. Some of you seem to just love yelling at him.

I know animals are mistreated, and yet I eat them anyway. I bash people who at least TRY to change and not kill them.

::rolleyes::

And please excuse my not quite making sense.. I was agreeing with SAJN in my previous post, and I'm going to try and stop posting when I am half asleep.

Go to sleep, before you go boom!

*boom!*

(Notice how I'm still not asleep. <.<)

I now return you to your previously scheduled bickering.

I'm not bashing you. I was just joking around 'cause you weren't making sense.

Oh. Well in that case...

Touche.